Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Kenneth La Torre]

[spoiler]Jiren winning might mean yet another Goku-exclusive transformation in the future lol, man that Goku dude just needs more transformations to set himself apart and get even strongerrrrr [/spoiler]

To bad I’m not going to be alive for gokus 100th transformation

[brett wheeler]

[spoiler]Jiren winning might mean yet another Goku-exclusive transformation in the future lol, man that Goku dude just needs more transformations to set himself apart and get even strongerrrrr [/spoiler]

To bad I’m not going to be alive for gokus 100th transformation

If any of us are alive for that, then as much as I love the show, just kill me and let it end no show need to go on that long.

[Kenneth La Torre]

[spoiler]Jiren winning might mean yet another Goku-exclusive transformation in the future lol, man that Goku dude just needs more transformations to set himself apart and get even strongerrrrr [/spoiler]

To bad I’m not going to be alive for gokus 100th transformation

If any of us are alive for that, then as much as I love the show, just kill me and let it end no show need to go on that long.

Don’t say that, don’t you want to celebrate the canonized super Saiyan infinity

[TheUltimateNinja]

It might be too much to hope for, but I hope Toyo doesn't goof up yet again.

[brett wheeler]

To bad I’m not going to be alive for gokus 100th transformation

If any of us are alive for that, then as much as I love the show, just kill me and let it end no show need to go on that long.

Don’t say that, don’t you want to celebrate the canonized super Saiyan infinity

idk depends what youre version of celebration is, I think I've already given you mine in that situation.

[Helios518]

Considering Goku was tired at EP115, do any of you put UI"O" Goku lower than usual? What about EP129 UI"O" Goku who happened to have no stamina right before he transformed?

[Kenneth La Torre]

Since the revelation of goku in MUI perhaps NOW being above beerus, is anyone upset that hakaishin toppo, despite him being stated to be “no different than a hakaishin” is actually far below actual hakaishins? I was actually in board with vegeta giving beerus a good fight, but now I see that beerus would still demolish him without effort. It’s kind of sad how VASTLY ahead goku is compared to vegeta.


Also on another subject. Anyone remember when toppo stated “if you are evenly match with me, you stand no chance against jiren”...

Me then “damn, how much stronger is he”

Me now “bro... someone can be dozens of times stronger than you, and STILL be nothing to jiren”

Like is ridiculous how VAST the gap between jiren and toppo is, heck, is ridiculous how VAST the gap between hakaishin toppo and Jiren is.

[buutenks]

If Jiren will over power MUI Goku, I will be happy all year.

[SayianBeyondGod]

Since the revelation of goku in MUI perhaps NOW being above beerus, is anyone upset that hakaishin toppo, despite him being stated to be “no different than a hakaishin” is actually far below actual hakaishins? I was actually in board with vegeta giving beerus a good fight, but now I see that beerus would still demolish him without effort. It’s kind of sad how VASTLY ahead goku is compared to vegeta.

I don't see it that way. Roh thinks taking out Golden Frieza was not a easy task for Sidra after witnessing Frieza surviving "some" of Sidra hakai energy. In Japanese context "some" can mean a portion or partly but it still makes Frieza somewhat a bit relevant to Sidra. Toppo in the other hand casually takes out Frieza. This either means that Toppo is above Sidra or at least rival, hence Toppo(so as Vegeta) should be in the realm of hakaishins. How would Vegeta fair with Beerus, no one can answer that objectively yet, since we don't know how powerful Beerus is at full power expect if we go with composite feats which I'm not 100% on board with. It's hard to gauge how ahead Goku is from Vegeta, after all Vegeta was implied to be fatigue by Jiren, we don't know how much Vegeta at his peak from episode 127 could push Jiren. For what we know he could putting in the same fight as UI omen Goku earlier of episode 129 especially with the zenkai boost. I would place Vegeta in the lower quartile of the God of Destruction power chart and put Ultra instinct Goku(MUI) at middle to upper quartile. As for your former point I'm not convinced yet of Beerus being implied to inferior to Ultra Instinct Goku, I have to see the actual statement translated rather than Herms giving it his thought. Like the statement of UI Goku surpassing a god taken out of context, once I had a translator explain the context of it.

[Kenneth La Torre]

UI goku IS implied to be above beerus by beerus himself. 130 spoiler magazine has beerus state that UI goku might be stronger than he is. So there’s that

[SayianBeyondGod]

UI goku IS implied to be above beerus by beerus himself. 130 spoiler magazine has beerus state that UI goku might be stronger than he is. So there’s that

The burden of proof is on you to show the actual statement translated, and even by your own argument the word "might" is used. I already seen you and others take Goku surpassing a god out of context once I had a translator explain the context. Until I see that actual statement translated, I don't buy it or see it as a objective proof.

BTW why are you indirectly trying to respond to my post. It's not going to come up on my notification.

[buutenks]

People should wait till the episode comes out to be sure. Most likely MUI is above Beerus, but we will see in next ep.

[Kenneth La Torre]

UI goku IS implied to be above beerus by beerus himself. 130 spoiler magazine has beerus state that UI goku might be stronger than he is. So there’s that

The burden of proof is on you to show the actual statement translated, and even by your own argument the word "might" is used. I already seen you and others take Goku surpassing a god out of context once I had a translator explain the context. Until I see that actual statement translated, I don't buy it or see it as a objective proof.

BTW why are you indirectly trying to respond to my post. It's not going to come up on my notification.

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Happy?

[wolflonnie]

Since the revelation of goku in MUI perhaps NOW being above beerus, is anyone upset that hakaishin toppo, despite him being stated to be “no different than a hakaishin” is actually far below actual hakaishins? I was actually in board with vegeta giving beerus a good fight, but now I see that beerus would still demolish him without effort. It’s kind of sad how VASTLY ahead goku is compared to vegeta.


Also on another subject. Anyone remember when toppo stated “if you are evenly match with me, you stand no chance against jiren”...

Me then “damn, how much stronger is he”

Me now “bro... someone can be dozens of times stronger than you, and STILL be nothing to jiren”

Like is ridiculous how VAST the gap between jiren and toppo is, heck, is ridiculous how VAST the gap between hakaishin toppo and Jiren is.

Nah. Toppo is a newbie GoD, it would be strange the contrary. Plus I do think he fits in the lower tier of GoDs.

[SayianBeyondGod]

UI goku IS implied to be above beerus by beerus himself. 130 spoiler magazine has beerus state that UI goku might be stronger than he is. So there’s that

The burden of proof is on you to show the actual statement translated, and even by your own argument the word "might" is used. I already seen you and others take Goku surpassing a god out of context once I had a translator explain the context. Until I see that actual statement translated, I don't buy it or see it as a objective proof.

BTW why are you indirectly trying to respond to my post. It's not going to come up on my notification.

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Happy?

No, because been questioning and addressing this earlier, with Herms giving it his thought rather than translating the actual statement. I notice someone claims that Beerus is claiming "Its beyond me" which is vague itself without much context towards it. Then you have Herms blatantly claiming there an element of uncertainty towards Beerus statement, making it not 100% credible:

Sentences that end in "のでは..." and trail off like that are short for のではないか or the like, and so include an element of uncertainty.

[Doctor.]

It might be too much to hope for, but I hope Toyo doesn't goof up yet again.

He will and he'll keep getting away with it.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Since the revelation of goku in MUI perhaps NOW being above beerus, is anyone upset that hakaishin toppo, despite him being stated to be “no different than a hakaishin” is actually far below actual hakaishins? I was actually in board with vegeta giving beerus a good fight, but now I see that beerus would still demolish him without effort. It’s kind of sad how VASTLY ahead goku is compared to vegeta.


Also on another subject. Anyone remember when toppo stated “if you are evenly match with me, you stand no chance against jiren”...

Me then “damn, how much stronger is he”

Me now “bro... someone can be dozens of times stronger than you, and STILL be nothing to jiren”

Like is ridiculous how VAST the gap between jiren and toppo is, heck, is ridiculous how VAST the gap between hakaishin toppo and Jiren is.

Nah. Toppo is a newbie GoD, it would be strange the contrary. Plus I do think he fits in the lower tier of GoDs.

I don’t know. Even the low tier gods should not be far below beerus. The manga was pretty clear in that. And they all should have thousand dog years of experience, toppo only had 2 minutes of experience being a god at best. Maybe stronger than Sidra, and that’s a maybe in my opinion

[Bullza]

I hope Goku actually wins fair and square. He hasn't beaten a main antagonist by himself since Frieza.

What is his most significant win in Super? Is it Kefla?

[Kenneth La Torre]

I hope Goku actually wins fair and square. He hasn't beaten a main antagonist by himself since Frieza.

What is his most significant win in Super? Is it Kefla?

I guess you hadn’t seen the spoilers right?

[SayianBeyondGod]

Since the revelation of goku in MUI perhaps NOW being above beerus, is anyone upset that hakaishin toppo, despite him being stated to be “no different than a hakaishin” is actually far below actual hakaishins? I was actually in board with vegeta giving beerus a good fight, but now I see that beerus would still demolish him without effort. It’s kind of sad how VASTLY ahead goku is compared to vegeta.


Also on another subject. Anyone remember when toppo stated “if you are evenly match with me, you stand no chance against jiren”...

Me then “damn, how much stronger is he”

Me now “bro... someone can be dozens of times stronger than you, and STILL be nothing to jiren”

Like is ridiculous how VAST the gap between jiren and toppo is, heck, is ridiculous how VAST the gap between hakaishin toppo and Jiren is.

Nah. Toppo is a newbie GoD, it would be strange the contrary. Plus I do think he fits in the lower tier of GoDs.

I don’t know. Even the low tier gods should not be far below beerus. The manga was pretty clear in that. And they all should have thousand dog years of experience, toppo only had 2 minutes of experience being a god at best. Maybe stronger than Sidra, and that’s a maybe in my opinion

The manga scaling is different from the anime.