Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by ryou766 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:54 pm

FoolsGil wrote:Man, this chapter of Prince of Tennis is quite riveting. :roll:
Yeah. We get it, Bra can deflect Cold's attacks. Move along.

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Post by BlazingBarrrager » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:55 pm

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FoolsGil wrote:Man, this chapter of Prince of Tennis is quite riveting. :roll:
Yeah. We get it, Bra can deflect Cold's attacks. Move along.
She's not just deflecting, she's increasing the attacks by adding her own to them.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by ryou766 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:00 am

It's still being dragged on.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Saiga » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:23 am

BlazingBarrrager wrote:
ryou766 wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:Man, this chapter of Prince of Tennis is quite riveting. :roll:
Yeah. We get it, Bra can deflect Cold's attacks. Move along.
She's not just deflecting, she's increasing the attacks by adding her own to them.
Which can be shown in a single panel.

This concept wasn't super interesting and is taking too long to move through.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by BlazingBarrrager » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:44 am

Saiga wrote:
BlazingBarrrager wrote:
ryou766 wrote:
Yeah. We get it, Bra can deflect Cold's attacks. Move along.
She's not just deflecting, she's increasing the attacks by adding her own to them.
Which can be shown in a single panel.

This concept wasn't super interesting and is taking too long to move through.
Maybe that's why Cold is getting mad? lol

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Post by rereboy » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:26 am

Saiga wrote:
BlazingBarrrager wrote:
ryou766 wrote:
Yeah. We get it, Bra can deflect Cold's attacks. Move along.
She's not just deflecting, she's increasing the attacks by adding her own to them.
Which can be shown in a single panel.

This concept wasn't super interesting and is taking too long to move through.
It is only a few pages long. What is taking long is the release schedule, not the actual pacing. Showing everything in one panel is far worse for actual pacing.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Regarder » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:07 pm

Yeah, DBM actually compresses things more than the original manga did. People are just impatient.

Personally, I don't wait for DBM because I've got lots of other things to do, so I occasionally end up reading a few pages at once after not checking for two weeks or more.

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Post by ryou766 » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:18 pm

That shot of Bra in the Final Flash stance... Vegeta must be proud right now.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:07 pm

ryou766 wrote:That shot of Bra in the Final Flash stance... Vegeta must be proud right now.
I was thinking more like his stance before he annihilated Recoome with a huge blast. But it's the same thing anyway. :D

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Post by saiyanvegetable » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:34 pm

I'll go to bat for this series any day of the week, seeing as it's a much more cohesive piece of work than what the franchise is putting out these days, but..I think this is where DBM struggles. I'm not sure if Asura is bound by the page by day format, needing to storyboard the panels in a certain way that conveys things in a very linear way, or if that's just how he works. But something like this could have been executed much better and with fewer panels.

Either way, I hate bra. I hope she loses and I think Cold should be much stronger than he is. I love the final flash though.

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Post by miguelnuva1 » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:10 pm

saiyanvegetable wrote:I'll go to bat for this series any day of the week, seeing as it's a much more cohesive piece of work than what the franchise is putting out these days, but..I think this is where DBM struggles. I'm not sure if Asura is bound by the page by day format, needing to storyboard the panels in a certain way that conveys things in a very linear way, or if that's just how he works. But something like this could have been executed much better and with fewer panels.

Either way, I hate bra. I hope she loses and I think Cold should be much stronger than he is. I love the final flash though.
He's already too strong and you want him stronger?

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Post by rereboy » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:17 pm

saiyanvegetable wrote:I'll go to bat for this series any day of the week, seeing as it's a much more cohesive piece of work than what the franchise is putting out these days, but..I think this is where DBM struggles. I'm not sure if Asura is bound by the page by day format, needing to storyboard the panels in a certain way that conveys things in a very linear way, or if that's just how he works. But something like this could have been executed much better and with fewer panels.

Either way, I hate bra. I hope she loses and I think Cold should be much stronger than he is. I love the final flash though.
There is no way to convey the idea that Bra managed to slowly gain the upper hand with her skill in the exchange, and show clearly how she did it, in much fewer panels.

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Post by TonyTheTiger » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:21 pm

Sure there is. Focus alternating panels on her hands in between wide shots. Shade her blasts differently and depict an increasing number of her shots in the wide angles. 2-3 pages tops. In fact, doing that would have been better to demonstrate what she's doing anyway. Having other characters narrate her strategy violates show don't tell. If not for Uub we'd have no idea what was happening.

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Post by BlazingBarrrager » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:28 pm

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ryou766 wrote:That shot of Bra in the Final Flash stance... Vegeta must be proud right now.
I was thinking more like his stance before he annihilated Recoome with a huge blast. But it's the same thing anyway. :D
Yeah XV does the same pose with balls of ki already out and it's refereed to as Final Flash.

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Post by saiyanvegetable » Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:58 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote:
saiyanvegetable wrote:I'll go to bat for this series any day of the week, seeing as it's a much more cohesive piece of work than what the franchise is putting out these days, but..I think this is where DBM struggles. I'm not sure if Asura is bound by the page by day format, needing to storyboard the panels in a certain way that conveys things in a very linear way, or if that's just how he works. But something like this could have been executed much better and with fewer panels.

Either way, I hate bra. I hope she loses and I think Cold should be much stronger than he is. I love the final flash though.
He's already too strong and you want him stronger?
Frieza was the best villain and his race was so obscenely strong without really training much. Might be biased here but these were the fucking emperors of the universe, I was hoping Cold would come back in a big way (Like, grandaddy end of the game Boss big) seeing as how he wasn't used at all in Z.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:33 am

King Cold is weaker than Freeza outside of Salagir's fan fiction.
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Post by rereboy » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:00 am

TonyTheTiger wrote:Sure there is. Focus alternating panels on her hands in between wide shots. Shade her blasts differently and depict an increasing number of her shots in the wide angles. 2-3 pages tops. In fact, doing that would have been better to demonstrate what she's doing anyway. Having other characters narrate her strategy violates show don't tell. If not for Uub we'd have no idea what was happening.
2-3 pages wouldn't effectively show that she slowly gained the upper hand in the exchange. Nor would it be as good in showing us what she did, namely her movements. And without someone like Uub explaining that she's adding attacks of her own, which allows to just waste a single panel showing that, a greater visual explanation would be required for it to be clear, which means more panels, not less.

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Post by TonyTheTiger » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:35 pm

It might take more panels but not a whole lot of pages. Panel layout in a comic book, and big things like splash pages, aren't just stylistic choices. They have a profound impact on the pacing of a story.

Here's something happening "gradually":
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While in this case it's happening fast in "real time" the panel structure is clearly slowed down for our benefit. We're seeing it happen gradually because it's unfolding from Flash's point of view, which to him is slow as hell. This is a clear demonstration of slow progress and doesn't need another character to tell us what's happening. We can see it for ourselves and feel the pacing. I think Salagir took the easy way out by not directing that this information should be included in the panels, instead opting to interrupt the fight to tell us what could have otherwise been obvious.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:41 pm

That's a problem with Dragon Ball as a whole. It relies overmuch on the peanut gallery telling us what happened, instead of trusting the audience to understand what they just saw. It just kills pacing.
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