English Dragon Box Release

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:41 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Yeah, but at Otakon you could tell that they were very much implying "Japanese version fans" with how the whole thing was worded about "hardcore fans" and "defaults to the Japanese version" and such. We had this discussion about 50 pages ago. Here, we know that a dub fan can easily be a hardcore fan. However, FUNimation was using the term to refer to us Nihongo Nerds.
I'm pretty sure they put the emphasis on the Japanese version because all hardcore fans are at least familiar with it. I don't think they're trying to appeal to Japanese fans only. We all know that market isn't big enough to be extremely profitable.

I think they are but as they are sending it to all the major retailers, they probably would like for others to pick it up.

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B · Post by B » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:46 pm

Raki wrote:
B wrote:If there is room for it without sacrificng video quality, put the boradcast/Faulconer BGM on there. If there's no possiblity of it hurting anything, who gives a shit?

HOWEVER, if there IS a chance for video damage, or it just won't fit on the damn disc, fuck it. Don't replace it over the original BGM. That's just silly. Why would you do that?
Because people like it.

People also like Kikuchi's score. What you or him or her or they like is a rather moot point. I for one am fond of GT's Menza score, but I won't blame FUNi if they decide to axe it in their (hopefully)eventual "Dragon Box GT." It's not GT, it's not Dragon Ball, and it really shouldn't have existed i the first place. But I would miss it if they got rid of it, and wouldn't skimp out on the release just because it's not there.

But wait! That's hardly relevant, since no one's going to give a flying crap what happens with Menza's score or GT, at least, not like this bitchfest over Faulconer the past 70 pages.

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:53 pm

B wrote:
Raki wrote:
B wrote:If there is room for it without sacrificng video quality, put the boradcast/Faulconer BGM on there. If there's no possiblity of it hurting anything, who gives a shit?

HOWEVER, if there IS a chance for video damage, or it just won't fit on the damn disc, fuck it. Don't replace it over the original BGM. That's just silly. Why would you do that?
Because people like it.
People also like Kikuchi's score. What you or him or her or they like is a rather moot point. I for one am fond of GT's Menza score, but I won't blame FUNi if they decide to axe it in their (hopefully)eventual "Dragon Box GT." It's not GT, it's not Dragon Ball, and it really shouldn't have existed i the first place. But I would miss it if they got rid of it, and wouldn't skimp out on the release just because it's not there.

But wait! That's hardly relevant, since no one's going to give a flying crap what happens with Menza's score or GT, at least, not like this bitchfest over Faulconer the past 70 pages.

The lack of "Step Into The Grand Tour" on the Lime Bricks made me cry.

Fuck Vic and his DanDan cover! I want my "so-bad-it's-good" nerd rapping back!

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:07 pm

Innagadadavida wrote: What's all this about marketing it to fans of the Japanese? They're not marketing it to fans of exclusively the Japanese version. They're marketing it to hardcore fans. It's possible to be a hardcore fan and enjoy both soundtracks. They're not mutually exclusive .

I'm really tired of these knee jerk reactions.

Did I say anywhere that "Dub fans aren't hardcore fans"? whether you like it or not, FUNimation are pitching this primarily to fans of the original Japanese version, which isn't to say it's not also for dub fans. What I would like to know though is why it bothers dub fans so much that they aren't the target audience for once.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:10 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Yeah, but at Otakon you could tell that they were very much implying "Japanese version fans" with how the whole thing was worded about "hardcore fans" and "defaults to the Japanese version" and such. We had this discussion about 50 pages ago. Here, we know that a dub fan can easily be a hardcore fan. However, FUNimation was using the term to refer to us Nihongo Nerds.
I'm pretty sure they put the emphasis on the Japanese version because all hardcore fans are at least familiar with it. I don't think they're trying to appeal to Japanese fans only. We all know that market isn't big enough to be extremely profitable.

Like what was said above, I didn't mean primarily Japanese version fans. However, FUNimation doesn't have to appeal to more people. DBZ prints money. They can take this one single risk and be fine with it.

Puto · Post by **Puto** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:13 pm

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:
B wrote:
Raki wrote:Because people like it.
People also like Kikuchi's score. What you or him or her or they like is a rather moot point. I for one am fond of GT's Menza score, but I won't blame FUNi if they decide to axe it in their (hopefully)eventual "Dragon Box GT." It's not GT, it's not Dragon Ball, and it really shouldn't have existed i the first place. But I would miss it if they got rid of it, and wouldn't skimp out on the release just because it's not there.

But wait! That's hardly relevant, since no one's going to give a flying crap what happens with Menza's score or GT, at least, not like this bitchfest over Faulconer the past 70 pages.
The lack of "Step Into The Grand Tour" on the Lime Bricks made me cry.

Fuck Vic and his DanDan cover! I want my "so-bad-it's-good" nerd rapping back!

"Step into the Grand Tour" is in GT Season 2. In the TV Special Ending's broadcast track.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:18 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:I'm really tired of these knee jerk reactions.

Did I say anywhere that "Dub fans aren't hardcore fans"? whether you like it or not, FUNimation are pitching this primarily to fans of the original Japanese version, which isn't to say it's not also for dub fans. What I would like to know though is why it bothers dub fans so much that they aren't the target audience for once.

What I said was relevant to the discussion and it's what I believe. I'm not trying to defend anything or offend anyone. It's hardly a knee-jerk reaction, El Capitano. I don't care who they're marketing it to, but I believe they're marketing it to hardcore fans. I'm a hardcore fan and I like both soundtracks, and I'd prefer if they're both included. I see no reason not to include both unless the quality suffers. Which according to the podcast, it doesn't seem like it really will.

If it was marketed exclusively to Japanese fans, it would not include a dub at all and it wouldn't be sold at major retailers. End of story.

EDIT: Furthermore, I'm also a fan of the Japanese version. If this was marketed primarly to Japanese fans, I'd still pick it up. I continue to argue that it's not for Japanese fans because people consistently use that as a reason not to include the broadcast audio track. I say bullshit.

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:21 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Captain Awesome wrote:I'm really tired of these knee jerk reactions.

Did I say anywhere that "Dub fans aren't hardcore fans"? whether you like it or not, FUNimation are pitching this primarily to fans of the original Japanese version, which isn't to say it's not also for dub fans. What I would like to know though is why it bothers dub fans so much that they aren't the target audience for once.
What I said was relevant to the discussion and it's what I believe. I'm not trying to defend anything or offend anyone. It's hardly a knee-jerk reaction, El Capitano. I don't care who they're marketing it to, but I believe they're marketing it to hardcore fans. I'm a hardcore fan and I like both soundtracks, and I'd prefer if they're both included. I see no reason not to include both unless the quality suffers. Which according to the podcast, it doesn't seem like it really will.

If it was marketed exclusively to Japanese fans, it would not include a dub at all and it wouldn't be sold at major retailers. End of story.

And they'd be on Betamax.

(Ok, that was lame. I couldn't resist, though.)

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:27 pm

B wrote:
Raki wrote:
B wrote:If there is room for it without sacrificng video quality, put the boradcast/Faulconer BGM on there. If there's no possiblity of it hurting anything, who gives a shit?

HOWEVER, if there IS a chance for video damage, or it just won't fit on the damn disc, fuck it. Don't replace it over the original BGM. That's just silly. Why would you do that?
Because people like it.
People also like Kikuchi's score.

But dub VA with Kikuchi's score isn't really as much of a selling point as dub VA's with Faulconer's score.

If Funi wants to sell this to dub fans as well, and they can only use one dub track, it makes sense for them to use the broadcast version.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:31 pm

Innagadadavida wrote: If it was marketed exclusively to Japanese fans, it would not include a dub at all and it wouldn't be sold at major retailers. End of story.

I never said exclusively, but with the default audio track being the original Japanese version, you can't deny that FUNimation dub fans aren't the primary target audience this time around.

I'm also at a loss to see this bother people so much.

Presc503 · Post by **Presc503** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:33 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:
B wrote:
Raki wrote:Because people like it.
People also like Kikuchi's score.
But dub VA with Kikuchi's score isn't really as much of a selling point as dub VA's with Faulconer's score.

If Funi wants to sell this to dub fans as well, and they can only use one dub track, it makes sense for them to use the broadcast version.

Is this because you like it, or, more than likely, because it has been the dub most of the populace associates with Dragon Ball Z?

And I can't (and still can) believe we are talking about this.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:34 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:I never said exclusively, but with the default audio track being the original Japanese version, you can't deny that FUNimation dub fans aren't the primary target audience this time around.

I'm also at a loss to see this bother people so much.

I'm not bothered that they have fans of the original in mind. I'm excited. I'm bothered that you're putting words in my mouth.

Me on my edited post wrote:Furthermore, I'm also a fan of the Japanese version. If this was marketed primarly to Japanese fans, I'd still pick it up. I continue to argue that it's not for Japanese fans because people consistently use that as a reason not to include the broadcast audio track. I say bullshit.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:34 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:If Funi wants to sell this to dub fans as well, and they can only use one dub track, it makes sense for them to use the broadcast version.

Except that these sets aren't marketed toward the dub fans in the same way that other releases were. Do they want to appeal to dub fans? Sure, that's why they put the dub on there . . . and I wouldn't be surprised if that's all they feel inclined to do. They don't need to have two dub tracks simply for the sake of including Faulconer's score, because they already did that with a different release that was marketed toward the majority fanbase.

If it's a quality product with a fair price point (and sometimes even when it isn't), the average dub fan will buy DBZ for the sake of DBZ so long as a dub is included.

~Da Lemmy

Presc503 · Post by **Presc503** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:37 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote: If it was marketed exclusively to Japanese fans, it would not include a dub at all and it wouldn't be sold at major retailers. End of story.
I never said exclusively, but with the default audio track being the original Japanese version, you can't deny that FUNimation dub fans aren't the primary target audience this time around.

I'm also at a loss to see this bother people so much.

People will find things to argue about no matter what. It's the beast of the Internet.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:41 pm

Presc503 wrote:Is this because you like it, or, more than likely, because it has been the dub most of the populace associates with Dragon Ball Z?

I do happen to like it. But yeah, because it's been the dub that most of the dub fans like. They'd be a bigger target than the people who like Eng VA's/Original music.

B · Post by B » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:41 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:
B wrote:
Raki wrote:Because people like it.
People also like Kikuchi's score.
But dub VA with Kikuchi's score isn't really as much of a selling point as dub VA's with Faulconer's score.

If Funi wants to sell this to dub fans as well, and they can only use one dub track, it makes sense for them to use the broadcast version.

A casual fan who only bothers with the dub isn't gonig to pay attention to the music, as Kendamu mentioned earlier.

Maybe HARDCORE dub fans will steer clear, but I doubt that's a very large group.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:45 pm

B wrote:A casual fan who only bothers with the dub isn't gonig to pay attention to the music, as Kendamu mentioned earlier.

Maybe HARDCORE dub fans will steer clear, but I doubt that's a very large group.

I know personally one casual fan who prefers the original score. Then again, I've also seen several complaints on Amazon or other forums about how the season sets play different music than what they remember, not knowing they can change the audio track.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:50 pm

Dammit, I'll buy a Dragon Box for every "casual fan" who doesn't buy one.

Krakabeast · Post by **Krakabeast** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:59 pm

Castor Troy wrote:Dammit, I'll buy a Dragon Box for every "casual fan" who doesn't buy one.

I'm going to become a casual fan and forget everything I know about Dragon Ball and not buy a DBox.

*Patiently awaiting package from Castor Troy*

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:00 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:
Kid Trunks wrote:If Funi wants to sell this to dub fans as well, and they can only use one dub track, it makes sense for them to use the broadcast version.
Except that these sets aren't marketed toward the dub fans in the same way that other releases were. Do they want to appeal to dub fans? Sure, that's why they put the dub on there . . . and I wouldn't be surprised if that's all they feel inclined to do. They don't need to have two dub tracks simply for the sake of including Faulconer's score, because they already did that with a different release that was marketed toward the majority fanbase.

If it's a quality product with a fair price point (and sometimes even when it isn't), the average dub fan will buy DBZ for the sake of DBZ so long as a dub is included.

~Da Lemmy

Um...I'm not arguing otherwise.

I never said they should have two dubs. All I'm saying is...Ok, who liked the broadcast version of Dragonball Z? A lot of people. Who liked the Eng VA/Original music version? Some people, probably. So if this release is targeted at sub fans, and if Funi want to get a few dub fans in on it as well (which they must do since there is at least a dub track), then the obvious dub track to add would be the broadcast version. Adding the Eng VA/Original music version takes the risk of pushing dub fans away (and it's not like most sub fans care for it), the broadcast version doesn't take that risk.