The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Fox666]

Gotenks-Boo thought Gokan wouldn't be able to beat him but decided to step in just in case (probably because he loses his shit any time somebody shatters his belief of superiority.)

Gohan-Boo just didn't think Son Goku and Vegeta's fusion would stand a chance against him at all.

I agree, and because he absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo he know better than anyone about the fusion.

[Kaboom]

That's because Elder Kaioshin told him that Potara had a much greater effect than Metamorian though.

I'm talking about before that. Goku was about to head off to Earth without a plan, figured, "oh hey, Gohan and I can do Fusion," THEN the Elder Kaioshin introduced the Potara. He never said that it wouldn't be powerful enough, either, just that he doubted Boo would allow them the time and opportunity for the dance.

So you think SSjin 2 Goku is more than twice as powerful as SSjin 3 Goten (a 8x gap at least going by SEG multipliers?) Just curious, that's all.

Not anything so literal, really, just that in general Goku/Vegeta Fusions are always presented as in a whole higher league of their own.

[Fox666]

I'm talking about before that. Goku was about to head off to Earth without a plan, figured, "oh hey, Gohan and I can do Fusion," THEN the Elder Kaioshin introduced the Potara. He never said that it wouldn't be powerful enough, either, just that he doubted Boo would allow them the time and opportunity for the dance.

Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P5.5
Context: Elder Kaioshin warning Goku about recklessly going to rescue Gohan from Gotenks-absorbed Boo
Elder Kaioshin: “I hate to say it, but I don’t think you could win against this current Majin Boo even if the two of you went at him together…”

Not quite sure about their fusion.

Not anything so literal, really, just that in general Goku/Vegeta Fusions are always presented as in a whole higher league of their own.

You mean, Gogeta would be that strong only because Goku and Vegeta can make a good fusion? That's not far-fetched considering what the series presented...

[Piccolo Daimao]

I'm talking about before that. Goku was about to head off to Earth without a plan, figured, "oh hey, Gohan and I can do Fusion," THEN the Elder Kaioshin introduced the Potara. He never said that it wouldn't be powerful enough, either, just that he doubted Boo would allow them the time and opportunity for the dance.

Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P5.5
Context: Elder Kaioshin warning Goku about recklessly going to rescue Gohan from Gotenks-absorbed Boo
Elder Kaioshin: “I hate to say it, but I don’t think you could win against this current Majin Boo even if the two of you went at him together…”

Not quite sure about their fusion.

He's talking about if Gokuu and Gohan attacked Boo together, not a fusion between them. Gokuu mentions Fusion after this statement.

[In Brightest Day]

I have two fights:


Ultimate Gohan vs. SSJ3 Goku, Mr. Buu, SSJ2 Vegeta & SSJ3 Gotenks.

Now obviously Gohan has a very large power advantage over these four, but collectively could they pull out the win?

and


Nappa vs. Gurd.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I don't think they can take Gohan. I could see Goku, Mr. Boo, and Vegeta being defeated rather quickly. Gotenks would be able to take more damage than the others, but it won't matter.

The only way Nappa can win is if Gurd would, for some reason, decide not to use his psychic powers. Other than that, Nappa has no chance.

[dprez]

Yea, since Super Boo was Ssj3 Gotenks level, and Goku, Mr. Boo and Vegeta were well below Super Boo, Gohan would probably win with ease.

Gurd would kill Nappa. Kuririn and Gohan were gonna lose against him. Nappa by him self is toast.

[Kaboom]

Ultimate Gohan vs. SSJ3 Goku, Mr. Buu, SSJ2 Vegeta & SSJ3 Gotenks:

Gotenks isn't THAT far behind Gohan, I think. But even if having the other three back him up would give him a chance at winning, they'd have to do it within the five or so minutes that Goku and Gotenks would have in Super Saiyan 3. The odds of that happening are next to nonexistent.

Nappa vs. Gurd:

Nappa is not only likely weaker than Gurd, but he isn't nearly clever or resourceful enough to overcome Gurd's time-stop and telekinesis tricks.

[Saiga]

Yamcha (23rd and Saiyan arcs) vs Karin: Yamcha gets destroyed with hilarious effortlessness in both situations.

Bootenks vs SS3 Gogeta: Gogeta stomps. If Boo and Gotenks are about even (with Gotenks having a slight lead) than Bootenks would be almost double SS3 Gotenks' power (if absorption is additive, which I believe it is). Goku and Vegeta should easily be more than double Goten and Trunks, so Gogeta would be a fair bit above Bootenks.

U. Gohan vs SS3 Goku, Mr. Boo, SS2 Vegeta and SS3 Gotenks: Gohan is just far too powerful for them to handle, and he stomps Goku, Boo, and Vegeta effortlessly and beats on Gotenks until he runs out of time.

Nappa vs Gurd: I believe Gurd was much more powerful, and would have defeated Nappa easily.

[dprez]

SSj Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks, with Piccolo, Gohan, and Tenshinhan vs. #18.

[Kaboom]

SSj Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks, with Piccolo, Gohan, and Tenshinhan vs. #18.

I'm assuming this is during the Androids arc. Gohan and Tenshinhan would both be pretty inconsequential, but I'd bet the three Super Saiyans and Piccolo would be able to defeat #18 if they all ganged up on her.

[FindKenshi]

If Tenshinhan could hold her down with Shin Kikoho and Vegeta could spam her with repeated Big Bang Attacks, he might play a role.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Even with the addition of Goku, I see them losing to #18.

[Saiga]

Vegeta and Goku would probably be the only ones capable of going toe-to-toe with 18 here, I don't think Trunks and Piccolo are strong enough to contend and obviously Tenshinhan and Gohan aren't. I'd say it's not enough to win.

[Rocketman]

17 outright says that if everybody ganged up on 18 she would lose, and that "everybody" didn't include Goku or Gohan.

Personally, I think Vegeta was damn near even with her, so Vegeta and Goku teaming up could kill her. The other guys are just icing.

[Saiga]

17 outright says that if everybody ganged up on 18 she would lose, and that "everybody" didn't include Goku or Gohan.

Personally, I think Vegeta was damn near even with her, so Vegeta and Goku teaming up could kill her. The other guys are just icing.

Actually, changed my mind. I agree with this.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Vegeta also outright says #18 is an opponent they'd be useless against. Unlike #17, he's well aware of how strong they are. This is before #17 even considers interfering. Goku is about the same as Vegeta, if not a bit weaker, and Gohan's nothing. More weaklings won't make the fight any better.

Vegeta also did absolutely no damage to #18 and even complained about her acting like his attacks were doing nothing--and when she actually attacked him for real, he couldn't do anything. They can't be close in power when he was powerless to stop her.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Ultimate Gohan vs. SSJ3 Goku, Mr. Buu, SSJ2 Vegeta & SSJ3 Gotenks.

Super Boo, who Gohan easily defeated, was slightly weaker than SS3 Gotenks, and Gokuu, Vegeta and Mr. Boo were well below Super Boo. So Gokuu, Vegeta and Boo would be quickly defeated, while Gotenks would maybe be able to hold out for a bit if he didn't get cocky (which is unlikely) and pull out his Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack, but Gohan presumably knows about that technique now, and would either finish him off, or his time limit would run out.

Nappa vs. Gurd.

I think Nappa is three times Gurd's strength, but if Gohan and Kuririn, who can sense ki and are definitely more level-headed than the quick-tempered Nappa, were almost killed by him, Nappa would certainly lose.

SSj Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks, with Piccolo, Gohan, and Tenshinhan vs. #18.

I agree with Super Saiyan Turlast x4 (apart from the "not being close in power" bit).

Piccolo, Gohan and Tenshinhan are largely fodder here, meaning it's only SS Goku and Vegeta who'd be able to hold their own against #18. But even aside from the infinite energy, #18 wasn't getting damaged at all by Vegeta and tanked his punch like it was nothing. The Super Saiyans may be able to damage her a little bit, but ultimately, her infinite energy would mean that they'd be thrashed.

The only way I can see them winning is if Gokuu and Vegeta stalled #18 while Tenshinhan, who may've managed to not get knocked out immediately, charged up a Shin Kikouhou, but even still, #18 could just dodge it. But then again, Cell didn't dodge it.

[Fox666]

I think Nappa is there times Gurd's strength, but if Gohan and Kuririn, who can sense ki and are definitely more level-headed than the quick-tempered Nappa, were almost killed by him, Nappa would certainly lose.

I really doubt that Nappa is anywhere close to Guldo.

Ginyu: “But who are the two with him? It seems that they have considerably high battle powers…”

Despite that, the power the both of them had at the time wasn't anything Guldo would fear. It was only when they powered-up to over 10,000 that Guldo tought differently.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I think Nappa is there times Gurd's strength, but if Gohan and Kuririn, who can sense ki and are definitely more level-headed than the quick-tempered Nappa, were almost killed by him, Nappa would certainly lose.

I really doubt that Nappa is anywhere close to Guldo.

Ginyu: “But who are the two with him? It seems that they have considerably high battle powers…”

Despite that, the power the both of them had at the time wasn't anything Guldo would fear. It was only when they powered-up to over 10,000 that Guldo tought differently.

Yeah, I don't think that Nappa's anywhere close to Gurd either. I think he's much stronger than him.

Gohan and Kuririn were suppressing their ki, like when those Freeza goons thought that they were nothing, until they released their ki and defeated them.

Either way, there's no definitive evidence on Gurd's power, and my stance is that Nappa would lose to him because of his psychic powers anyway.