"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Anime Kitten]

So, if Kaio-ken was in the outline, it would have been in the manga as well.

Maybe Toyotarō expanded it to have SSJG.

[Marlowe89]

From what we are told, everything from Toriyama's outline makes it to the manga, with no changes but only expansions & additions, while Toei makes changes as well. So, if Kaio-ken was in the outline, it would have been in the manga as well.

You have one argument for Toei making changes (as opposed to just additions) which is the omission of that three-second segment where Goku goes SSG again at the end of BoG, but that's hardly enough evidence to suggest that Toei routinely makes significant alterations to Toriyama's scripts for Super since it was a pretty insignificant scene in an arc that was a Toei adaptation of another Toei adaptation of a movie script. This was also during a time when Toei wasn't adapting from new Toriyama scripts, since the new content didn't begin until the U6 tournament, so we can't say for sure that they've changed a lot of things in his outlines. For their part, it's mostly been expansions and additions just the same as Toyotaro's manga.

Again, anything that doesn't fall under the commonalities between the manga and the anime is, by nature, ENTIRELY speculative as to whether it came from Toriyama. SSG's return in the manga is no more likely to have been his idea than SSB + Kaioken.

[ArchedThunder]

I am curious about the "ssjg in the manga, but ssjblue + kaioken in the anime" thing, but I don't think we'll ever get an answer on it. All I can theorize about it is either:
A) Toyotarou likes ssjg and wanted to use it some more.
OR
B) There was a communication error in regards to the anime and "the red form" since both ssjg and kaio-ken have red auras.

I think it was probably just that Toriyama's outline for the fight didn't cover the forms in much detail(maybe he even said do what you want here) and just said Goku powered up. For the manga Toyotaro went with him powering up from God to Blue and in the anime he went Kaioken.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So, if Kaio-ken was in the outline, it would have been in the manga as well.

Maybe Toyotarō expanded it to have SSJG.

Of course. But stating as a fact that "SSG is Toyotaro's addition" is just wrong.

SSG's return in the manga is no more likely to have been his idea than SSB + Kaioken.

Based on what we know, you are wrong. There are zero chances of Kaio-ken been Toriyama's idea, while there are small chances that SSG was Toriyama's idea.

[sailorspazz]

It has two months per page.

Oh. I see. In that case:

I would get that calendar if it was in English.

Look at it closely...all the relevant information on the calendar is in English. I can't actually find any Japanese on there, other than tiny credits at the bottom. The only thing that might be "foreign" about it is that the holidays highlighted on it will be Japanese holidays rather than Western...

So now that that's cleared up, I think what you're saying is:

I would get that calendar

You know you want to

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So, if Kaio-ken was in the outline, it would have been in the manga as well.

Maybe Toyotarō expanded it to have SSJG.

Of course. But stating as a fact that "SSG is Toyotaro's addition" is just wrong.

SSG's return in the manga is no more likely to have been his idea than SSB + Kaioken.

Based on what we know, you are wrong. There are zero chances of Kaio-ken been Toriyama's idea, while there are small chances that SSG was Toriyama's idea.

How can you dismiss KK as Zero chance? Toyo loves SSG. He put it in F, final product didn't have it. Teased it in Black arc and the anime didn't have it. Not to to mention he didn't make Goku revert to SS in the BoG right. If anything SSG should be dismissed as zero chance.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Maybe Toyotarō expanded it to have SSJG.

Of course. But stating as a fact that "SSG is Toyotaro's addition" is just wrong.

SSG's return in the manga is no more likely to have been his idea than SSB + Kaioken.

Based on what we know, you are wrong. There are zero chances of Kaio-ken been Toriyama's idea, while there are small chances that SSG was Toriyama's idea.

How can you dismiss KK as Zero chance? Toyo loves SSG. He put it in F, final product didn't have it. Teased it in Black arc and the anime didn't have it. Not to to mention he didn't make Goku revert to SS in the BoG right. If anything SSG should be dismissed as zero chance.

I won't repeat myself again...

[SansrivaaL]

Agree'd that KK doesnt seem right, I mean they instantly threw out the idea of Goku going SSJGKK again and even went so far as to say there's a chance he wont be able to fight again if he dares uses it again.
On the other hand Toyo's SSJG seems somewhat reasonable and the part when he didnt make Goku fight as a SSJ after his God mode ran out seems more logical, I find it hard to take that SSJ has a chance against Beerus whereas Trunks' SSJ2 is stronger than Goku's, that would kinda imply that SSJ2 Trunks can also stand a chance against Beerus. Then again not really going into the powerlevel stuffs, I just think Toyo's seems more logical than Toei's decision of Goku countering Hit, plus the manga kinda makes Goku playing it smart not going full power instantly and going step by step.

[Marlowe89]

SSG's return in the manga is no more likely to have been his idea than SSB + Kaioken.

Based on what we know, you are wrong. There are zero chances of Kaio-ken been Toriyama's idea, while there are small chances that SSG was Toriyama's idea.

Except we don't "know" anything. There is no interview out there that states, definitively, that Toyotaro will never make changes to Toriyama's script. Similarly there is no interview out there that states Toei frequently makes changes just because of a three second scene being omitted.

Unless you actually have Toriyama's script of the Goku vs. Hit fight in front of you, you have no idea what was changed and expanded. The only things we can take for a fact as occurring in Toriyama's script are the shared commonalities between the anime and the manga.

[Sodhi]

The way I think about this is that, if something is in both, then it was probably Mr. Toriyama's idea/outline. If something is different then it's probably an interpretation.

[GTx10]

Doesn't Toro have a Twitter? Why not just ask why he added SSG to the Hit fight?

[Anime Kitten]

Look at it closely...all the relevant information on the calendar is in English. I can't actually find any Japanese on there, other than tiny credits at the bottom. The only thing that might be "foreign" about it is that the holidays highlighted on it will be Japanese holidays rather than Western...
So now that that's cleared up, I think what you're saying is:

I would get that calendar

You know you want to

Heh, maybe I will. Not sure if it'll ship to the US or not, or how I'd even pay for it. But it'd still be cool!

[HeroR]

Agree'd that KK doesnt seem right, I mean they instantly threw out the idea of Goku going SSJGKK again and even went so far as to say there's a chance he wont be able to fight again if he dares uses it again.
On the other hand Toyo's SSJG seems somewhat reasonable and the part when he didnt make Goku fight as a SSJ after his God mode ran out seems more logical, I find it hard to take that SSJ has a chance against Beerus whereas Trunks' SSJ2 is stronger than Goku's, that would kinda imply that SSJ2 Trunks can also stand a chance against Beerus. Then again not really going into the powerlevel stuffs, I just think Toyo's seems more logical than Toei's decision of Goku countering Hit, plus the manga kinda makes Goku playing it smart not going full power instantly and going step by step.

They didn't throw out the idea. They just said it would be highly dangerous. Since the Kaio-Ken is a major power-up, they needed a reason why Goku can't just spam it when he gets in trouble, just like the original Kaio-Ken.

Super Saiyan God can literally didn't have to be there in the manga. It could be removed with no conquences and if Goku wanted to transformed step-by-step, he could have gone Super Saiyan 2. Not to mention Goku did take it slow in the anime and had Hit on the ropes once he figured the time-skip out. What screwed him was Hit improving while he simply held back in the manga.

[SansrivaaL]

Agree'd that KK doesnt seem right, I mean they instantly threw out the idea of Goku going SSJGKK again and even went so far as to say there's a chance he wont be able to fight again if he dares uses it again.
On the other hand Toyo's SSJG seems somewhat reasonable and the part when he didnt make Goku fight as a SSJ after his God mode ran out seems more logical, I find it hard to take that SSJ has a chance against Beerus whereas Trunks' SSJ2 is stronger than Goku's, that would kinda imply that SSJ2 Trunks can also stand a chance against Beerus. Then again not really going into the powerlevel stuffs, I just think Toyo's seems more logical than Toei's decision of Goku countering Hit, plus the manga kinda makes Goku playing it smart not going full power instantly and going step by step.

They didn't throw out the idea. They just said it would be highly dangerous. Since the Kaio-Ken is a major power-up, they needed a reason why Goku can't just spam it when he gets in trouble, just like the original Kaio-Ken.

Super Saiyan God can literally didn't have to be there in the manga. It could be removed with no conquences and if Goku wanted to transformed step-by-step, he could have gone Super Saiyan 2. Not to mention Goku did take it slow in the anime and had Hit on the ropes once he figured the time-skip out. What screwed him was Hit improving while he simply held back in the manga.

You're not getting my point about the step by step and how they threw out the idea of KK.

[SaiyaSith]

I really hope they don't dub the intro song in English (especially not the outro songs). The Kai song redubs were horrible and I just heard the Hebrew version for DBS... It's truly terrible. I pray Funimation only use subs for the music since they're so good in Japanese. Viz usually keeps the Japanese intros for their shows like Naruto and One Punch man which is great. If anyone has contact with Funimation, please beg them not to dub DBS' music.

[Marlowe89]

The Kai song redubs were horrible

I enjoyed them, personally. At the very least, I didn't think they sounded any cheesier than the original Japanese Dragon Soul.

[FortuneSSJ]

I don't think it's worthy to create a thread about this, but looks like Nozawa is not pleased with the new generation of voice actors:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2 ... ice-actors

[ArchedThunder]

I don't think it's worthy to create a thread about this, but looks like Nozawa is not pleased with the new generation of voice actors:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2 ... ice-actors

She's not wrong, a lot of modern Japanese voice acting is very samey sounding.

[JulieYBM]

I don't think it's worthy to create a thread about this, but looks like Nozawa is not pleased with the new generation of voice actors:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2 ... ice-actors

This amounts to nothing. Nozawa will be dead in a few years and actors will continue to create work they are satisfied with for the rest of eternity, as they have until now.

[Anime Kitten]

This amounts to nothing. Nozawa will be dead in a few years and actors will continue to create work they are satisfied with for the rest of eternity, as they have until now.

Not to mini-mod or anything, but couldn't that be worded a little better? It makes you sound like you don't respect her (not saying you don't, but that's what it sounds like).