"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ArchedThunder]

This amounts to nothing. Nozawa will be dead in a few years and actors will continue to create work they are satisfied with for the rest of eternity, as they have until now.

That is an unnecessarily rude comment.

[Nejishiki]

For the sake of being open-minded, there isn't anything broadly inaccurate about what he said. However, it comes across as dismissing her opinion entirely merely because she's likely to pass soon. I don't agree with that approach and I think somebody as masterful and experienced as Nozawa deserves to have her insights considered. I can't personally verify her accounts due to not watching much modern anime in the first place (My knowledge of foreign acting with live action films is solid, at least I'd like to think so), but if she feels the way she does, I doubt it arose from thin air.

[JulieYBM]

This amounts to nothing. Nozawa will be dead in a few years and actors will continue to create work they are satisfied with for the rest of eternity, as they have until now.

Not to mini-mod or anything, but couldn't that be worded a little better? It makes you sound like you don't respect her (not saying you don't, but that's what it sounds like).

I don't respect her comments at all. She's making generalized, shallow comments. She's playing it safe by making no specific attacks so she doesn't have to put up with the consequences when she must perform alongside young actors. She provides no data to support her argument, either. Is the amount of bad acting any different now than it was twenty, thirty or forty years ago?

"They're just copying the things they like!" she rants. Is that not what she does? Have they no method behind their madness in the face of hers?

This amounts to nothing. Nozawa will be dead in a few years and actors will continue to create work they are satisfied with for the rest of eternity, as they have until now.

That is an unnecessarily rude comment.

It's not rude at all. The world will continue to spin long after she is dead. Whatever mark Nozawa can make on the industry is already long since past.

I like Nozawa's work, that doesn't mean I like Nozawa. If we're to think her history of 'criticism' is anything indicative of her actual character then she seems to be a pretty callous person, as it is. I find it perhaps even more worrying that there are those simply willing to go along with the flow simply because she's Nozawa Masako, too.

[ArchedThunder]

The anime industry currently has a lot of issues, and samey sounding voice acting is one of them. Fanservice and moe pandering anime in particular and horrid in this regard. Nozawa is absolutely right. And she's not even talking about bad acting, she's talking about how many voice actors these days don't even try to make their own voice, they just copy the voices they hear which in her words is causing the depth and breadth of anime voice acting to dwindle rapidly.
Also the mark that Nozawa will leave after she passes will be much longer lasting than generic loli voice #472.
And yes Jacob, you are being incredibly rude.

[Cipher]

Nozawa is our grandma and she can say what she wants.

In this case, it sounds like she's lamenting actors being pushed into archetypal voices for archetypal roles. That isn't an attack, and it isn't something that requires a scientific survey to back up.

It's also, in this particular instance, the victim of some clickbaity webhead-writing.

[HeroR]

It's just the common old folks, 'my generation was better'. You see it all the time everywhere with every media.

[ArchedThunder]

It's just the common old folks, 'my generation was better'. You see it all the time everywhere with every media.

No it's not, she gave actual reasoning and is completely right. She's not even saying voice acting is bad these days, she's just saying that the variety is dwindling because actors are just copying each other.

[HeroR]

It's just the common old folks, 'my generation was better'. You see it all the time everywhere with every media.

No it's not, she gave actual reasoning and is completely right. She's not even saying voice acting is bad these days, she's just saying that the variety is dwindling because actors are just copying each other.

No, that her opinion that you happened to agree with. And it's the common, 'my generation was better' talk. No different than the people saying that the art style of the 80s and 90s is better. You can agree, disagree, or whatever, but it's still an opinion.

[Krillin1994]

I reckon we will have an updated opening this week, with Goku Black being SSR in his scenes.

[HECTOR4]

Can someone translate this, please?:

http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/special/07.html

[alakazam^]

I don't think it's worthy to create a thread about this, but looks like Nozawa is not pleased with the new generation of voice actors:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2 ... ice-actors

I'd like to note that Hirano is the one making the "copy of a copy of a copy" comment, not Nozawa. Nozawa doesn't disagree, though, but they don't "sound" that harsh about it, maybe disappointed/worried?

Can someone translate this, please?:

http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/special/07.html

The left column describes what has been happening in Trunks' timeline and the right one describes the present day. The green line represents Goku Black's time travels and the blue is Goku's & co.

It goes roughly like this:

Trunks's timeline - Went to the past, returned, defeated the Artificial Humans and Cell; defeated Babidi and Dabra; Goku Black decimated mortals in several planets; Goku Black arrives on Earth, destroyed army, Mai forms the resistance; one year later, Trunks returns to the past; Black follows Trunks; Black gets pulled back; *WE'RE HERE* Goku, Vegeta and Trunks arrive in the future.

Present day timeline - Goku fights with Boo; Goku fights with Beers; Pan is born; Freeza's army attacks Earth; Tournament between Universes starts; Trunks comes from the future; Goku Black comes from the future and fights Goku; Goku Black destroys the time machine and get spulled back into the future; Bulma starts working on Cell's time machine; Goku, Beers and Whis go to Universe 10 and meet Zamasu, with whom Goku spars; Gowasu and Zamasu go 1000 years into the future and Zamasus's disdain for mortals increase; Goku, Whis and Kaioushin go to Zen'ou's palace and Goku becomes friends with him; *WE'RE HERE* Goku, Vegeta and Trunks go to the future.

[Alruneia]

I don't think it's worthy to create a thread about this, but looks like Nozawa is not pleased with the new generation of voice actors:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2 ... ice-actors

I'd like to note that Hirano is the one making the "copy of a copy of a copy" comment, not Nozawa. Nozawa doesn't disagree, though, but they don't "sound" that harsh about it, maybe disappointed/worried?

Can someone translate this, please?:

http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/special/07.html

The left column describes what has been happening in Trunks' timeline and the right one describes the present day. The green line represents Goku Black's time travels and the blue is Goku's & co.

It goes roughly like this:

Trunks's timeline - Went to the past, returned, defeated the Artificial Humans and Cell; defeated Babidi and Dabra; Goku Black decimated mortals in several planets; Goku Black arrives on Earth, destroyed army, Mai forms the resistance; one year later, Trunks returns to the past; Black follows Trunks; Black gets pulled back; *WE'RE HERE* Goku, Vegeta and Trunks arrive in the future.

Present day timeline - Goku fights with Boo; Goku fights with Beers; Pan is born; Freeza's army attacks Earth; Tournament between Universes starts; Trunks comes from the future; Goku Black comes from the future and fights Goku; Goku Black destroys the time machine and get spulled back into the future; Bulma starts working on Cell's time machine; Goku, Beers and Whis go to Universe 10 and meet Zamasu, with whom Goku spars; Gowasu and Zamasu go 1000 years into the future and Zamasus's disdain for mortals increase; Goku, Whis and Kaioushin go to Zen'ou's palace and Goku becomes friends with him; *WE'RE HERE* Goku, Vegeta and Trunks go to the future.

I can almost guarantee that when the arc is over there'll be a green arrow with Zamasu and Black that goes from somewhere on the bottom right and up to the first instance of Black on the left. It might be wishful thinking, but it seems to work so well.

[HECTOR4]

Can someone translate this, please?:

http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/special/07.html

The left column describes what has been happening in Trunks' timeline and the right one describes the present day. The green line represents Goku Black's time travels and the blue is Goku's & co.

It goes roughly like this:

Trunks's timeline - Went to the past, returned, defeated the Artificial Humans and Cell; defeated Babidi and Dabra; Goku Black decimated mortals in several planets; Goku Black arrives on Earth, destroyed army, Mai forms the resistance; one year later, Trunks returns to the past; Black follows Trunks; Black gets pulled back; *WE'RE HERE* Goku, Vegeta and Trunks arrive in the future.

Present day timeline - Goku fights with Boo; Goku fights with Beers; Pan is born; Freeza's army attacks Earth; Tournament between Universes starts; Trunks comes from the future; Goku Black comes from the future and fights Goku; Goku Black destroys the time machine and get spulled back into the future; Bulma starts working on Cell's time machine; Goku, Beers and Whis go to Universe 10 and meet Zamasu, with whom Goku spars; Gowasu and Zamasu go 1000 years into the future and Zamasus's disdain for mortals increase; Goku, Whis and Kaioushin go to Zen'ou's palace and Goku becomes friends with him; *WE'RE HERE* Goku, Vegeta and Trunks go to the future.

Thank you very much!!! ^^

[SansrivaaL]

Nozawa's old, what I mean is being old has its downsides like how they view the world and how cranky they become. She simply wants to make a point that somehow she's still superior to the new comers or rather to the new generation, that they can still learn from her. I've done some different jobs here in Japan and thats just how old people can be, they want to feel that they're still superior in what they do best, its also a pride thing since she's been doing this for decades. I'm not generalizing the old people here its just from the old people I've been with thats just how they are when it comes to their jobs. Anyways sorry if this isnt the right thread to talk about this but since I saw some members talking about it I just wanted to share my opinion.

[ArchedThunder]

Pretty interesting that for the 5 important events they decided to list between Trunks leaving and coming back all of them are the arcs that happened since, except Pan's birth.

Nozawa's old, what I mean is being old has its downsides like how they view the world and how cranky they become. She simply wants to make a point that somehow she's still superior to the new comers or rather to the new generation, that they can still learn from her. I've done some different jobs here in Japan and thats just how old people can be, they want to feel that they're still superior in what they do best, its also a pride thing since she's been doing this for decades. I'm not generalizing the old people here its just from the old people I've been with thats just how they are when it comes to their jobs. Anyways sorry if this isnt the right thread to talk about this but since I saw some members talking about it I just wanted to share my opinion.

She didn't say she's superior, she didn't even say that modern voice actors are bad, she just said that because they copy voices instead of create their own the variety in voices in anime is dwindling.

[SansrivaaL]

Pretty interesting that for the 5 important events they decided to list between Trunks leaving and coming back all of them are the arcs that happened since, except Pan's birth.

Nozawa's old, what I mean is being old has its downsides like how they view the world and how cranky they become. She simply wants to make a point that somehow she's still superior to the new comers or rather to the new generation, that they can still learn from her. I've done some different jobs here in Japan and thats just how old people can be, they want to feel that they're still superior in what they do best, its also a pride thing since she's been doing this for decades. I'm not generalizing the old people here its just from the old people I've been with thats just how they are when it comes to their jobs. Anyways sorry if this isnt the right thread to talk about this but since I saw some members talking about it I just wanted to share my opinion.

She didn't say she's superior, she didn't even say that modern voice actors are bad, she just said that because they copy voices instead of create their own the variety in voices in anime is dwindling.

You know, she didnt need to be so literal on what she has to say to make a point, that she wants to tell the other VA's that she's superior, her comment about their voice acting is enough proof for that.
In a way she kinda did,thats exactly what she meant when she told them they're simply copying others, telling them they're not creative in making their own style, thats degrading in a way.

Anyways I dont really want to get into this type of topic that much, just wanted to share my opinion.

[THEGOKU]

I understood it as her saying that there is no authentic voice acting going on anymore and it is understandable. It is hard to find some that stand out or even use a different voice for their different characters. I don't think she meant to say anything offensive to them.

[Shin]

I understood it as her saying that there is no authentic voice acting going on anymore and it is understandable. It is hard to find some that stand out or even use a different voice for their different characters. I don't think she meant to say anything offensive to them.

Especially when modern anime is just a bunch of little girl characters copy and pasted really. It's the same voices over and over again with no originality.

[THEGOKU]

I understood it as her saying that there is no authentic voice acting going on anymore and it is understandable. It is hard to find some that stand out or even use a different voice for their different characters. I don't think she meant to say anything offensive to them.

Especially when modern anime is just a bunch of little girl characters copy and pasted really. It's the same voices over and over again with no originality.

In relation to her she can say that and to keep it in the context of the DB world her Kid Goku and Adult Goku sound different much like her Kid Gohan and Adult Gohan. Casting wise in DBS I think they have done a great job with everyone they have so I am sure it is more on other anime she is talking about.

[Bansho64]

This amounts to nothing. Nozawa will be dead in a few years and actors will continue to create work they are satisfied with for the rest of eternity, as they have until now.

Wow. That was extremely rude man. Seriously, very insulting. I myself don't agree with her statement that much but that was just mean.