"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

Because seeing Goku and Vegeta fuse is awesome, and something we hardly see. It's only happened once in a movie, once in the Z, and once in GT. It's always cool to see the big leads combine together to form a super powerful boss.

I feel like the less they use it, the better tbh. It should be an oh shit, all our other options aren't working moment.

I agree. It's not something they should pull out all the time. It should be an event more than just another typical fusion like Gotenks became. Hence why when there's no other options, it should be used. It's again not something either of them want to do, as they want to win on their own. When push comes to shove, and there is no other way, it should be used. If it were to come back, I'd like it towards the end of the series as fusion between Goku and Vegeta, feels like an end game level of power.

Yeah, I completely agree.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Because seeing Goku and Vegeta fuse is awesome, and something we hardly see. It's only happened once in a movie, once in the Z, and once in GT. It's always cool to see the big leads combine together to form a super powerful boss.

I just feel like it'll be a cheap way to win the fight. It would be so much better if they had an actual battle strategy and worked together and it would feel a lot more satisfying too just like in the Buu arc what we got was a whole lot better than Vegetto smacking the hell outta Buu.

It's not really cheap though. It's a fair technique only used in extreme situations, and not something they can pull out of their bums all the time. Unlike Goten and Trunks, they don't rely on fusion to get stronger. It's used in the most crucial of no win situations. By not using it, it feels even dumber as it's a skill that likely would help, but apparently dying is better than using it.

I mean cheap in a creative sense. It would be so much more interesting if they came up with a good plan of attack for Goku, Vegeta and Trunks. Sort of how like Zamasu and Black were doing in this episode with Zamasu grabbing both Goku and Trunks so Black as an easy target things like that.
Having them pummeled and then fuse seems like an easy way out imo. There is a reason why Toriyama didn't follow with fusion in the Buu arc and made up some BS to make it not happen. Part of methinks he might have regretted introducing fusion while writing the Buu arc.

[dbzfan7]

I just feel like it'll be a cheap way to win the fight. It would be so much better if they had an actual battle strategy and worked together and it would feel a lot more satisfying too just like in the Buu arc what we got was a whole lot better than Vegetto smacking the hell outta Buu.

It's not really cheap though. It's a fair technique only used in extreme situations, and not something they can pull out of their bums all the time. Unlike Goten and Trunks, they don't rely on fusion to get stronger. It's used in the most crucial of no win situations. By not using it, it feels even dumber as it's a skill that likely would help, but apparently dying is better than using it.

I mean cheap in a creative sense. It would be so much more interesting if they came up with a good plan of attack for Goku, Vegeta and Trunks. Sort of how like Zamasu and Black were doing in this episode with Zamasu grabbing both Goku and Trunks so Black as an easy target things like that.
Having them pummeled and then fuse seems like an easy way out imo. There is a reason why Toriyama didn't follow with fusion in the Buu arc and made up some BS to make it not happen. Part of methinks he might have regretted introducing fusion while writing the Buu arc.

They have been cheap in a creative sense for a very long while now. I can see how that other way is interesting, but it's not as impressive or as groundbreaking as a fusion between Goku and Vegeta. When that happens, it's a damn event. It's a highlight. Everyone goes absolutely bonkers the minute Gogeta and Vegetto appeared. Goku and Vegeta team up, not so much. They've spent so much time together that it's worn off. Not using fusion at all also makes them pretty stupid, as they essentially will toss victory away against impossible odds and ignore the big win opportunity.

There's ways to prevent fusion, and it could be argued like with SSJ3, fusion might not be possible at their level without having barely any time....well except for Potara.

[Hellspawn28]

If we get SSjB Gogeta, I bet it will be for only one episode. I remember how let down I was when SSj4 Gogeta was only used once and how he was nothing like SSj Gogeta in Fusion Reborn. I like having Gogeta be serious while Vegito being more playful because it makes them feel different from each other.

[dbzfan7]

If we get SSjB Gogeta, I bet it will be for only one episode. I remember how let down I was when SSj4 Gogeta was only used once and how he was nothing like SSj Gogeta in Fusion Reborn. I like having Gogeta be serious while Vegito being more playful because it makes them feel different from each other.

Vegetto was merely an act. He was only like that because he was always trying to get absorbed. So he purposely kept trying to piss off Boo. I don't think him and Gogeta are really different.

[fadeddreams5]

It would be pretty cool if Gogeta appears in the anime, but Vegito is used in the manga (or vice-versa).

[namekiansaiyan]

I dont like fusion unless it is Goten and Trunks so I think it should unique to them.

[Anime Kitten]

I dont like fusion unless it is Goten and Trunks so I think it should unique to them.

Could you elaborate? I really hate the idea of Fusion if it means sacrificing character traits to do so.

[fadeddreams5]

This is the perfect arc to use fusion since both enemies hold potara earrings and fight in synchrony. As a last move of desperation, Vegeta and Goku should attempt to snatch them and fuse.

[Doctor.]

This is the perfect arc to use fusion since both enemies hold potara earrings and fight in synchrony. As a last move of desperation, Vegeta and Goku should attempt to snatch them and fuse.

Or they could just give us a Goku and Vegeta team up at the end, which is probably what they will do since that's what Super has been building up to.

[namekiansaiyan]

I dont like fusion unless it is Goten and Trunks so I think it should unique to them.

Could you elaborate? I really hate the idea of Fusion if it means sacrificing character traits to do so.

I find Gotenks a more intersting character than Goten and Trunks separately but I prefer Goku and Vegeta as their own characters.

What character traits do Trunks and Goten even have that are interesting?

[Anime Kitten]

Trunks is a snotty kid who tries to be "cool" to his friends and relatives, and typically makes a lot of insulting (but hilarious) remarks. Goten is a naïve kid who follows along with Trunks and impresses people without trying (and being completely adorbs while doing it).

[namekiansaiyan]

Trunks is a snotty kid who tries to be "cool" to his friends and relatives, and typically makes a lot of insulting (but hilarious) remarks. Goten is a naïve kid who follows along with Trunks and impresses people without trying (and being completely adorbs while doing it).

That is why I think they are at their best during the slice of life episodes.

[Anime Kitten]

That is why I think they are at their best during the slice of life episodes.

I just have a strong hate towards comments about them having no personality and they're just one half of Gotenks. So, no personality? Somehow Gotenks gets one then?

[GodKaio-Ken]

That is why I think they are at their best during the slice of life episodes.

I just have a strong hate towards comments about them having no personality and they're just one half of Gotenks. So, no personality? Somehow Gotenks gets one then?

Goten is actually my second favorite character and he definitely has personality. He's in complete awe of his father, adores and loves him, wants to be him basically but Chi-Chi keeps him locked inside it's not his fault he isn't written into the story more. Kid Trunks has personality too. He's a good kid but also a little trouble maker. People seem to forget how important they were in the Buu arc. I'm hoping something is done with them to make them important.

I think his point basically boils down to the fact that Vegeta and Goku are main characters who should be able to win on their own while Goten and Trunks arent written in so it doesnt matter if they fuse. I get it...but I don't agree personally. I mean if Zamasu and Black did fuse...which is no guarantee but still...it would be criminally insane for Goku and Vegeta to not do the same.

[fadeddreams5]

This is the perfect arc to use fusion since both enemies hold potara earrings and fight in synchrony. As a last move of desperation, Vegeta and Goku should attempt to snatch them and fuse.

Or they could just give us a Goku and Vegeta team up at the end, which is probably what they will do since that's what Super has been building up to.

Or they could give us both, with the team up leading to them getting beaten up before snatching the earring. : D

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Vegetto is the least used fusion in anything because of the Potara being permanent (supposedly, anyway). But as much as I'd like to see him return, if a Goku and Vegeta fusion were really in the cards, I rather see the debut of (presumably) Toriyama!Gogeta. It's been teased since the Boo Arc, and (debatably) brought up again during the Beerus material.

Not to mentions Zamasu and maybe Black are already aware of the Potara's ability to fuse people, so they may do their best to prevent it from happening if they notice shenanigans directed towards the earrings. They might not be aware of the Metamorean dance though, so our heroes could potentially pull it off without interruption.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I asked before and I'll ask again.

So what in particular is the problem with Yoka Yoka Dance other than the light tone (and even then, just read the lyrics)?

The problem is, Dragon Ball sucks these days, it's not how it used to be. This is the darkest arc in the series, and they have an ending like this? Why can't they follow DBZ's darkest arcs' (Saiyan, Freeza, and Cell arcs) example? I miss how Dragon Ball used to be...

[precita]

I asked before and I'll ask again.

So what in particular is the problem with Yoka Yoka Dance other than the light tone (and even then, just read the lyrics)?

The problem is, Dragon Ball sucks these days, it's not how it used to be. This is the darkest arc in the series, and they have an ending like this? Why can't they follow DBZ's darkest arcs' (Saiyan, Freeza, and Cell arcs) example? I miss how Dragon Ball used to be...

LOL, what? Super is quite good since the start of the current arc, and the ending theme's are just ending themes. Just because the current saga is dark doesn't mean the endings can't be happy and upbeat. If I recall the endings in the Buu arc were happy and uplifting when everyone was being killed or eating by Majin Buu.

[Khin]

The problem is, Dragon Ball sucks these days, it's not how it used to be. This is the darkest arc in the series, and they have an ending like this? Why can't they follow DBZ's darkest arcs' (Saiyan, Freeza, and Cell arcs) example? I miss how Dragon Ball used to be...

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but the "darkest" of DBZ that is the Saiyan, Freeza, and Cell Arcs all had the Zenkai Power as their ED.