The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:31 pm

Freeza vs. henchmen: I think Freeza would wipe them out so quickly that Ginyuu wouldn't even have the chance to swap bodies with him. I don't know which Vegeta you're talking about, but if it's his Saiyan arc level, he'd still only wind up at 180,000, which is almost four times below Freeza's strength. Not to mention that Freeza could just cut off his tail.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:02 pm

It depends. I think Freeza would be able to easily defeat all of his henchmen, but I don't think he'd stand a chance against the other greatest warrior in the universe, Captain Ginyu, during his (Freeza) fight with Goku.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:13 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:It depends. I think Freeza would be able to easily defeat all of his henchmen, but I don't think he'd stand a chance against the other greatest warrior in the universe, Captain Ginyu, during his (Freeza) fight with Goku.
Why not? It's 530k vs. 120k; Ginyuu would get slaughtered.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Fox666 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:10 pm

Freeza could be defeated if Guldo stopped the time. But that wouldn't even be necessary, Ginyu would steal Freeza's body.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:12 pm

Oh yeah, I forgot about Gurd. But then again, you could argue that they'd all be too fast for him, and Freeza could have the foresight to just take him out at the beginning before he'd even have the chance to do anything.
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Post by Kaboom » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:18 pm

Yeah, I bet Gurd would get hit by a Death Beam before he could even see it coming.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by In Brightest Day » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:47 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, I have some questions conserning Abo & Kado.
1) Can they merge?
2) From which era? In the Special, they were said to be at Freeza level, but were also said to be at Ginyu level during the Freeza arc.
Yes, they can merge and this is Abo/Kado from the Freeza arc.

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Freeza vs. henchmen: I think Freeza would wipe them out so quickly that Ginyuu wouldn't even have the chance to swap bodies with him. I don't know which Vegeta you're talking about, but if it's his Saiyan arc level, he'd still only wind up at 180,000, which is almost four times below Freeza's strength. Not to mention that Freeza could just cut off his tail.
Saiyan arc Vegeta, yes.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:17 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:It depends. I think Freeza would be able to easily defeat all of his henchmen, but I don't think he'd stand a chance against the other greatest warrior in the universe, Captain Ginyu, during his (Freeza) fight with Goku.
Why not? It's 530k vs. 120k; Ginyuu would get slaughtered.
It was a terrible attempt at making a joke over someone taking a quote too literally.

I mainly said that because of Freeza's whole "I'm surprised. I had no idea there was someone in the universe beyond Ginyu" quote during his battle with Goku and wanted to see if someone would catch on. Yes, I actually debated with people who claimed Ginyu is stronger than Piccolo, Vegeta, and all of Freeza's forms up to his final one based on that quote :lol:
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:35 pm

In Brightest Day wrote: Yes, they can merge and this is Abo/Kado from the Freeza arc.
In that case Freeza dies painfully.
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Post by NANLIT » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:03 pm

Saiga wrote:
In Brightest Day wrote: Yes, they can merge and this is Abo/Kado from the Freeza arc.
In that case Freeza dies painfully.
Weren't they only on par with the Ginyu Squad during the time of Freeza's reign? Even if that's individual, merged together wouldn't make them more powerful than Freeza I don't think. Freeza would still win I believe.

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Post by Saiga » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:13 pm

NANLIT wrote:
Saiga wrote:
In Brightest Day wrote: Yes, they can merge and this is Abo/Kado from the Freeza arc.
In that case Freeza dies painfully.
Weren't they only on par with the Ginyu Squad during the time of Freeza's reign? Even if that's individual, merged together wouldn't make them more powerful than Freeza I don't think. Freeza would still win I believe.
When they are at Freeza's level in the jump special, their fusion was enough to warrant Gotenks fighting them. It's clearly a massive boost, and it would put them above Freeza's first form if they were at Ginyu force level when they merged.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:50 am

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:It depends. I think Freeza would be able to easily defeat all of his henchmen, but I don't think he'd stand a chance against the other greatest warrior in the universe, Captain Ginyu, during his (Freeza) fight with Goku.
Why not? It's 530k vs. 120k; Ginyuu would get slaughtered.
It was a terrible attempt at making a joke over someone taking a quote too literally.

I mainly said that because of Freeza's whole "I'm surprised. I had no idea there was someone in the universe beyond Ginyu" quote during his battle with Goku and wanted to see if someone would catch on. Yes, I actually debated with people who claimed Ginyu is stronger than Piccolo, Vegeta, and all of Freeza's forms up to his final one based on that quote :lol:
Haha, brilliant. :lol:
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Post by Silkman3003 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:40 pm

FP Ssj Goku Goku(Cell games) vs Bojack(before he transformed)

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Post by Fox666 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:46 pm

I believe Bojack is at the best slight stronger than a full-power Super Saiyan, so I would expect his regular form to be far behind that.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:19 pm

Silkman3003 wrote:FP Ssj Goku Goku(Cell games) vs Bojack(before he transformed)
Going by my good ol' "movie villains match up to series ones" method, transformed Bojack would be about as strong as full-power Cell, while non-transformed he would be at the kinda-suppressed level Cell fought SSj Goku and Gohan at.

So Goku here would similarly be able to give Bojack one hell of a fight, and have a good chance to actually win since Bojack can't regenerate like Cell.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:40 pm

Kaboom wrote:
Silkman3003 wrote:FP Ssj Goku Goku(Cell games) vs Bojack(before he transformed)
Going by my good ol' "movie villains match up to series ones" method, transformed Bojack would be about as strong as full-power Cell, while non-transformed he would be at the kinda-suppressed level Cell fought SSj Goku and Gohan at.

So Goku here would similarly be able to give Bojack one hell of a fight, and have a good chance to actually win since Bojack can't regenerate like Cell.
Agreed. I think Gokuu would use his Shunkan-Idou Kamehameha to defeat Bojack.
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Post by Mystic Gohan » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:13 am

Can any canon character defeat ssj vegito? If not, then movie characters also?

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Post by Saiga » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:24 am

Mystic Gohan wrote:Can any canon character defeat ssj vegito? If not, then movie characters also?
If you count GT as canon, Vegetto is downright fucked.
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Post by Mystic Gohan » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:19 am

No i do not count gt as the ridiculous implications that COH has pointed out show that vegito is trash in gt.

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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:57 am

I don't think anyone can canon or movie character is powerful enough to defeat Vegito.

If anyone says Broly, I'm gonna..........
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