"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[prince212]

I only started reading the manga very recently and I really don't like it. ..................................... If you enjoy it, good for you. I don't.

Looks like you don’t like manga as a medium , otherwise you had been reading the manga since the beginning, and it’s fine , most of the fandom is based on anime dragon ball .
My opinion is opposite of yours , but the way you explain your thoughts honors you , instead of the tipycal “this is garbage” theme
Respect.

[Bergamo]

I only started reading the manga very recently and I really don't like it. I only read the tournament of power chapters so far and they were all terrible. The first was the most decent one but it wasted the yardrat and it didn't even bother showing any of the characters wondering why a yardrat was even Universe 2. The Frost chapter was boring because it was so predictable that Freeza will betray Frost that even my friend who didn't watch the anime knew what will happen to him at the end. Krillin and Tien were badly treated and the Universe 9 fighters didn't leave any impression on me with the exception of Bergamo. The Hit chapter was a borefest and the most recent one was just abysmal to me. 17 gets wanked even more than he was in the anime, 18 gets completely shitted on, Ribrianne got eliminated without any kind of character development and her gimmick with Krillin was just another way to shit on Krillin as if he didn't suffer enough in this arc, the other universe 2 girls were nobodies with a lame ability, Piccolo's elimination was just as pathetic and lame as it was in the anime, etc. If you enjoy it, good for you. I don't.

Why would anyone care about the Yardrat. Goku is the only one who has ever seen a Yardrat, and he really doesn't care about anyone unless they're strong.

[majinwarman]

I didn't know getting the point was hurrying through the story at such a pace that any sense of narrative levity or thematic underlying meaning is completely removed from narrative beats.

If thats your definition of progress, than I don't think thats a good thing.

The message is clear, weaklings get out only the strong stay. This is how later Dragonball always been.
Ribriannne most likely is all the levity you're gonna get.

Still, I believe we can agree that he can do more with these characters than what we're seeing now. Going straight to the point is a good idea? Sure, but at least provide some good characters moments otherwise it will just feel that his story is way too linear and lacking something.

Characters got used for bigger purposes by the stronger [Kurrin, Tien], Piccolo got outsmarted by U4, 18's guard was down, Not even the strong are safe, where Hit gets sandbagged and then Mortal Kombat'd into the pit at the top of the TOP. We are seeing strategy, power and surprise attacks in this TOP. The reality is there is no glory in that.

I feel no passion behind his writing. The anime may have had its problems but they still had passion behind what they wrote for each episode.

No way, Only the Namekians vs Gohan and Piccolo episode, Frost vs Roshi, Goku vs Jiren fights/special, Hit vs Dyspo had it with the music and desperation depicting an atmosphere worthy of danger.
Everything else was too slow, dragged out with lack of dialogue and bad choreography.

Debateable.

[TKA]

I feel no passion behind his writing. The anime may have had its problems but they still had passion behind what they wrote for each episode.

When given a blank character design that they'd have to figure out and write for, the anime's answer was to go for a trope.

Nakamura: Since the tough opponents in Dragon Ball Super up until then had been nihilistic, cool characters like Hit or Zamasu, we thought it might be best to make Jiren very talkative, so we came up with the background of him being a hero of justice. Jiren was central to this squadron of heroes.

Takami: And so the characterization of Jiren that we originally came up with was passed on to Toppo.

The typical sentai trope. If adhering to tropes is your idea of "passion," then the anime can keep it.

I want characters who are dynamic; not characters who are single tropes. Let's take Kale, for example. In the anime, she's just a typical shrinking violet-type character, who becomes Broly when she gets mad. Compare that to the manga's depiction of the character, where she's established as being quiet but also hypercompetent. That generates far more intrigue than "She's really shy!!!!!"

Um? I'm sorry can you elaborate more on this? I don't see a parallel at all between the two. Vegeta was more frustrated when he repeatedly kicked Toppo, opposed to his cocky demeanor when thrashing 19 and letting him drain a bit of energy, only to demonstrate his power further.

You explained the similarity for yourself there.

Toppo underestimated Vegeta, so Vegeta smugly overpowered him. The Androids did the same.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Debateable.

One word is not a worthwhile response. Please elaborate if you have something to say or consider whether your posts are worth contributing.

[Miracles]

Debateable.

Truthfully not. It's no secret that the anime's TOP was garbage outside a handful of episodes.

[CriticalThinker]

Personally I feel like this tournament would have been better if it had 40 fighters instead of 80 or had been a traditional tournament. I mean I'm sick to death of traditional tournaments in Dragon ball but at least with fewer fighters we would have gotten more creative and entertaining battles then what we've gotten so far in the manga. Also I brought it up because the anime version focused a lot on 1v1 which defeated the whole purpose of a battle royal, so it might as well just been a traditional tournament from the start. And even though I would still be bored with some of the fights at least if this tournament had 40 fighters instead we would be getting to the more interesting fights quicker. It's just after spending a few chapters on boring fodder fights I think I'd like to just skip right to the big fight with U11. I guess it is ironic that because the manga version has been more like a battle royal I've found it to be pretty boring. Like I said above I'm sick of traditional tournaments in Dragon Ball but I guess I still prefer them in the end.

[Exline]

Also wasting characters and off-screening them is another big disappointment. You all keep misinterpreting on my stance on character usage where you truly think that I believe every character deserves their own chapter, when in fact, all I really want is some interesting and engaging eliminations. As well as for some characters to be expressive so we can be entertained by new personalities.

These "characters" from these less relevant universes are nothing more than background dressing intended to lend to the atmosphere of the tournament.
Hell, most of their low-effort designs look the part. Character/expression moments just aren't meant for them in ANY capacity that isn't explicitly concerned with conveying what kind of difficulties our main characters have to deal with. Obuni was one of the only fighters to successfully achieve this in the anime.

They don't matter in the way that people think they matter. The story doesn't owe them squat, certainly not what the anime often tried to go for, and unless they're able to contribute to the plot in some way that contextualizes the arc's survival themes as a unique challenge for Universe 7 (like Gamisaras or Damon, for example; excellent job on Toyotaro's part by the way) any screentime you could give them would be nothing more than pointless filler. It's just a bunch of time-wasting nonsense that a lot of us don't care for, and the bigger events were always more interesting anyway.

Nobody's "excusing" Toyotaro's character utilization because it's fine the way it is right now. Actually, I hope it remains exactly like this all the way up until the climax. Keep most of the focus on significant characters where it belongs, please and thank you.

I think JazzMazz's post perfectly details what I'm referring to when mentioning the lackluster eliminations we get. It's just the same repeated formula we get over and over. Characters being blindsided with confused expressions is quite boring after the first few times.

And also.. Dragon Ball's greatest point were it's fights and it's characters. We're not getting much new characters to deal with this arc (Manga Ver.) unlike previous ones in OG and Z and even GT.
We don't get an iota of characterization with any of these new characters at all in the manga's interpretation of this arc.

Did the anime overdo it by characterizing too many characters than it needed to? Yes it did. Was it wrong to characterize these characters? No it wasn't, because it allowed us to see them more as just fodder for our fighters.
You don't care about these characters because the anime didn't give you a reason to, but Toyotaro certainly had a chance to.
You simply use their simplistic designs as a reason as to why they shouldn't be given specific amounts of screen time, but is that really a valid argument? Look at characters like Botamo, Toppo, Dyspo and even Jiren himself. Their all pretty basic designs, so that means they don't deserve any chance to express themselves?

And it really isn't after the massive outcry for Krillin and Tien. I was fine with their eliminations initially, since it was used for more of a shock factor at the time. But then we see Piccolo and Android 18 get some incredibly mediocre moments to demonstrate themselves in the tournament. It begs the question as to why even bring them into this tournament if their not going to do anything worthwhile?

Except we get the same type of eliminations each god damn time. The same simple punch and kick, the same ki blast off the edge of the stage, the same blindside attack. Where's the creativity in these eliminations? Their so lackluster compared to what the anime has brought. Most of you apparently enjoy what appears to be mediocrity after the massive power ceiling that was established in previous arcs.

The interesting characters and their personalities is what honestly made the anime's version of this tournament better to enjoy barring inconsistency issues. Rozie and Kakunsa with their cute and interesting fighting styles, Toppo and his love for justice, Frost and his sly tactics, Caulifla and Kale's relationship, etc. etc.

You informing me that the bigger fights sort of displays the concerning mentality of certain fans where you've become too impatient and just want to get to the "good stuff." I don't understand why the progression of the tournament needs to run at such a quick pace to show you fights only the most powerful characters partake in. Like I said, you waste 80 brand new characters that can make the story much more interesting and engaging, whether it be the method of their elimination, the gag they revolve around, the tactics and strategies they use, and a chance to express themselves and the universe they hail from so we learn something about them, as well as be worried about their impending erasure. It can be the opposite where we really resent them, such as U9, and are glad for them to be gone (the opposite can be said for those who feel bad).

[Lord Beerus]

Dragon Ball Super Volume 6 sold 157,014 copies in it's second week of release in Japan.

[prince212]

Dragon Ball Super Volume 6 sold 157,014 copies in it's second week of release in Japan.

Not enough to be in the top 10 by series . Having an anime ahead helps . Idk if there’s another series in the same scenario

[Bergamo]

Dragon Ball Super Volume 6 sold 157,014 copies in it's second week of release in Japan.

Not enough to be in the top 10 by series . Having an anime ahead helps . Idk if there’s another series in the same scenario

Those sales are pretty much the same as they were when the anime was still going.

[prince212]

Dragon Ball Super Volume 6 sold 157,014 copies in it's second week of release in Japan.

Not enough to be in the top 10 by series . Having an anime ahead helps . Idk if there’s another series in the same scenario

Those sales are pretty much the same as they were when the anime was still going.

What I meant is that sales are not super good because anime is ahead with new material , and it’s normal .
The rest of the series( as far as I know ) have an anime after the manga .

[Marlowe89]

You don't care about these characters because the anime didn't give you a reason to, but Toyotaro certainly had a chance to.

Negative. I don't care about these characters because the story in general doesn't give me a reason to. I care about the main characters because that's what the story at its most basic, fundamental premise is focused on. That's what you're not grasping.

Look at the post right above yours. He enjoys the anime more than the manga, and even he admits that a traditional tournament with considerably less than 80 fighters would have benefited his preferred approach a lot more. A giant, chaotic battle royale is only naturally going to consist of guys constantly blindsiding other guys until the numbers dwindle. It's practically the name of the game.

You simply use their simplistic designs as a reason as to why they shouldn't be given specific amounts of screen time, but is that really a valid argument? Look at characters like Botamo, Toppo, Dyspo and even Jiren himself. Their all pretty basic designs, so that means they don't deserve any chance to express themselves?

Wait, who said anything about simplistic designs? A lot of the simpler ones are the better ones. I'm largely referring to these overly busy concepts that look like they came straight out of the recycling bin for Otherworld Tournament. Lo and behold, most of them were in fact designed by Toei. Big surprise there.

Not sure why you're suddenly bringing up important characters like Toppo, Jiren, Dyspo, etc. and acting like my argument pertains to them when I made it absolutely clear that it doesn't. They're given plenty of characterization in the manga because they're actually established to be more significant than some random hobos from Universe 10.

You informing me that the bigger fights sort of displays the concerning mentality of certain fans where you've become too impatient and just want to get to the "good stuff."

This pretty much sums up my issue with your viewpoint in its entirety. It's just so overtly misguided. You think that wanting to get to the "good" (i.e. plot relevant) stuff while avoiding any pointless filler sequences dedicated to minor fighters beyond the scope of their actual role in the story is somehow representative of some kind of "mentality" that requires concern. I think you've got it completely backwards. I think you're asking for things that would actively detract from the frantic atmosphere of the arc.

It's clear at this point that we fundamentally disagree on how the tournament should be approached in general. Honestly, I don't expect to persuade you or anything like that; I'm just explaining why some of us don't particularly give a rat's ass about padding and fancy window dressing. You can take it or leave it.

[OLKv3]

Dragon Ball Super Volume 6 sold 157,014 copies in it's second week of release in Japan.

Not enough to be in the top 10 by series . Having an anime ahead helps . Idk if there’s another series in the same scenario

But it's number 3 on the list

[PsionicWarrior]

you waste 80 brand new characters

Sorry for single-quoting but that synthesizes the point I want to make lol

IMO there should have been an arc before ToP to present new characters, or it should have been done side by side with the recruitment lol
Think about it, why do we care about Hit or Cabba, because we already know them a bit lol
The manga at least doesn't waste time on characters you don't ******* care about because you never or barely heard of them before, the manga might be going fast but at least there is no fodder moments like in the anime, one big disappointment I had with last two chapters is mostly the drawings lol

[Bullza]

It's actually weaker sales.

Volume 4 sold 150,000 copies in 4 days. For Volume 6 to sell 157,000 copies in 7 days means it's selling slower.

Volume 5 sold 121,000 copies in 3 days and 219,000 copies in 10 days so that's probably gonna be its peak.

[prince212]

Dragon Ball Super Volume 6 sold 157,014 copies in it's second week of release in Japan.

Not enough to be in the top 10 by series . Having an anime ahead helps . Idk if there’s another series in the same scenario

But it's number 3 on the list

Vol 5. Was number 33 by volume

[IM21]

I am not surprised that vol 6 is not as seeling as vol 5. Previous volume had a finish to the Trunks arc while this one is pretty much just recruitment.

[DestructoDisc]

I only started reading the manga very recently and I really don't like it. I only read the tournament of power chapters so far and they were all terrible. The first was the most decent one but it wasted the yardrat and it didn't even bother showing any of the characters wondering why a yardrat was even Universe 2. The Frost chapter was boring because it was so predictable that Freeza will betray Frost that even my friend who didn't watch the anime knew what will happen to him at the end. Krillin and Tien were badly treated and the Universe 9 fighters didn't leave any impression on me with the exception of Bergamo. The Hit chapter was a borefest and the most recent one was just abysmal to me. 17 gets wanked even more than he was in the anime, 18 gets completely shitted on, Ribrianne got eliminated without any kind of character development and her gimmick with Krillin was just another way to shit on Krillin as if he didn't suffer enough in this arc, the other universe 2 girls were nobodies with a lame ability, Piccolo's elimination was just as pathetic and lame as it was in the anime, etc. If you enjoy it, good for you. I don't.

Why would anyone care about the Yardrat. Goku is the only one who has ever seen a Yardrat, and he really doesn't care about anyone unless they're strong.

The yardrats have interesting abilities and Vegeta cared about him too and so did the audience when we first saw him in the anime. At least the anime made use of him. He saved Ribrianne and Rozie and bullied Gohan in another episode. In the manga he did absolutely nothing. You can't just put a character like that in a team and not use him at all.

[majinwarman]

It's actually weaker sales.

Volume 4 sold 150,000 copies in 4 days. For Volume 6 to sell 157,000 copies in 7 days means it's selling slower.

Volume 5 sold 121,000 copies in 3 days and 219,000 copies in 10 days so that's probably gonna be its peak.

What could be done to improve those sales?