"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lujin_16]

Today starts Dragonball Z Resurrection of F in Germany They have a huge fanbase here

Not enough obviously. I cannot watch it where I live.

i have heard that even the producer is there in Berlin for the movie maybe he will give a interview and some news for the future of Dragonball who knows

[ArchedThunder]

yep this is what we have left of violence in dragon ball these days.

Blood=violence.
Super is plenty violent. It'd be nice if there was blood, but the near lack of blood doesn't mean it isn't violent.

[HeroR]

I think people expected some element of blood since Kai airing in the slot just before super began still contained blood. And the thing with DBZ it had a precedent for showing blood in all of its shows before. So even though Super was a new show it'd have more of a stake to show blood than Toriko due to its history.

Kai has almost no blood in it. Goku and Raditz getting impaled on the Special Beam Cannon didn't make them bleed and Vegeta hardly bled when Freeza beat the shit out of him.

DBZ aired during the 80s and 90s were the censorship was much lower. So expecting Super to have that level of blood in today's Japanese market was setting yourself for disappointment.

[HeroR]

yep this is what we have left of violence in dragon ball these days.

Blood=violence.
Super is plenty violent. It'd be nice if there was blood, but the near lack of blood doesn't mean it isn't violent.

It's weird that Gohan nearly being tortured to death isn't considered violent. Guess we need a gallon of blood to prove Gohan is being tortured to death.

[ArchedThunder]

Honestly red bruises would be enough for me, like what Goku had in Resurrection F (both the original film and the added Namek stuff).

[Anime Kitten]

I don't particularly want Black ripping off Goku's arm and blood gushing out uncontrollably, but at least a gut punch leading to a vomit or two would be better, like we got with Vegeta in #56 (of course, that was a stab, but you get the point).

[Sodhi]

I never said Super is not violent. Not as much violence as there used to be. Don't know why am I getting quoted

[PMD]

Of course Super is violent. It had really violent moments:

- Beerus grabbing Goku's face and crashing him to that island full speed.
- Beerus stabbing Goku's chest with his hand.
- Tagoma crawiling because of Freezer's torture.
- Tagoma ripping Piccolo's arm.
- Freezer torturing Gohan.
- Freezer beating Goku on the floor after he was attaked by Sorbet.
- Goku hitting Botamo's belly. I'm kidding.
- Zamas cutting the babarian in half.
- Black stabbing Vegeta.
- Trunks stabbing Zamas.

This new anime should've been named Dragon Ball Stabbing.

[ArchedThunder]

I never said Super is not violent. Not as much violence as there used to be. Don't know why am I getting quoted

There is still lots of violence in Super, there's just very little blood.

[Sodhi]

Blood makes a scene more violent.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

If anyone is interested in discussing violence in the franchise, please go here:
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[Lujin_16]

Of course Super is violent. It had really violent moments:

- Beerus grabbing Goku's face and crashing him to that island full speed.
- Beerus stabbing Goku's chest with his hand.
- Tagoma crawiling because of Freezer's torture.
- Tagoma ripping Piccolo's arm.
- Freezer torturing Gohan.
- Freezer beating Goku on the floor after he was attaked by Sorbet.
- Goku hitting Botamo's belly. I'm kidding.
- Zamas cutting the babarian in half.
- Black stabbing Vegeta.
- Trunks stabbing Zamas.

This new anime should've been named Dragon Ball Stabbing.

So true...Some of them are even more violent than some dbz violent moments but yea without blood

[kinisking]

What makes me laugh is that they decided to show blood while Trunks was image training....

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Resurrection "F" and U6 arc were both written and chalked up solely by Toriyama. Both these arcs were met with a mixed response by fans.

BoG and Black arc. Based from Toei and Toriyama worked off that. Both met pretty positively by fans.

I am sensing a pattern here...

[Doctor.]

Resurrection "F" and U6 arc were both written and chalked up solely by Toriyama. Both these arcs were met with a mixed response by fans.

BoG and Black arc. Based from Toei and Toriyama worked off that. Both met pretty positively by fans.

I am sensing a pattern here...

Toei's usually able to write more interesting and thought-provoking scenarios and concepts than Toriyama, they just lack in execution. Whilst Toriyama manages to execute most concepts brilliantly. When they team up, they manage to do great.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Resurrection "F" and U6 arc were both written and chalked up solely by Toriyama. Both these arcs were met with a mixed response by fans.

BoG and Black arc. Based from Toei and Toriyama worked off that. Both met pretty positively by fans.

I am sensing a pattern here...

Toei's usually able to write more interesting and thought-provoking scenarios and concepts than Toriyama, they just lack in execution. Whilst Toriyama manages to execute most concepts brilliantly. When they team up, they manage to do great.

Exactly!! If they did this for GT my god that series would have been so good coupled with it's great music and production value.

[LightBing]

Resurrection "F" and U6 arc were both written and chalked up solely by Toriyama. Both these arcs were met with a mixed response by fans.

BoG and Black arc. Based from Toei and Toriyama worked off that. Both met pretty positively by fans.

I am sensing a pattern here...

Toei's usually able to write more interesting and thought-provoking scenarios and concepts than Toriyama, they just lack in execution. Whilst Toriyama manages to execute most concepts brilliantly. When they team up, they manage to do great.

Exactly!! If they did this for GT my god that series would have been so good coupled with it's great music and production value.

Could you please provide a source were it says the Universe 6 was solely written by Mr.Toriyama? From what I gather the Universe 6 arc falls on the same same category as the Black arc.

BoG is also in a category of it's own. Mr.Toriyama changed a script, keeping some core concepts(Hakaishin, SSJG) and modifying and/or removing the rest. While the BoG appears to have started from a suggestion, we don't know how much input was given to him. It could have just been: "Remember Future Trunks, he's cool right? How nice it would be to have him again... " Two weeks later... "Hum, should we tell him about the hair? Ignore it! Toriyama-sensei this first designs and draft are amazing!".

I don't think the pattern is that simply or else early Dragon Ball would be pretty bad, which isn't the case. Overall, Mr.Toriyama with a voice in his ear advising him about a detail here and there and controlling the more "unreasonable" ideas is his best iteration.

[TheMikado]

Resurrection "F" and U6 arc were both written and chalked up solely by Toriyama. Both these arcs were met with a mixed response by fans.

BoG and Black arc. Based from Toei and Toriyama worked off that. Both met pretty positively by fans.

I am sensing a pattern here...

Toei's usually able to write more interesting and thought-provoking scenarios and concepts than Toriyama, they just lack in execution. Whilst Toriyama manages to execute most concepts brilliantly. When they team up, they manage to do great.

Exactly!! If they did this for GT my god that series would have been so good coupled with it's great music and production value.

Pretty much this, most of the original bad parts of GT were designed by Toriyama including the infamous moustache Vegeta and the locales.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Toei's usually able to write more interesting and thought-provoking scenarios and concepts than Toriyama, they just lack in execution. Whilst Toriyama manages to execute most concepts brilliantly. When they team up, they manage to do great.

Exactly!! If they did this for GT my god that series would have been so good coupled with it's great music and production value.

Could you please provide a source were it says the Universe 6 was solely written by Mr.Toriyama? From what I gather the Universe 6 arc falls on the same same category as the Black arc.

BoG is also in a category of it's own. Mr.Toriyama changed a script, keeping some core concepts(Hakaishin, SSJG) and modifying and/or removing the rest. While the BoG appears to have started from a suggestion, we don't know how much input was given to him. It could have just been: "Remember Future Trunks, he's cool right? How nice it would be to have him again... " Two weeks later... "Hum, should we tell him about the hair? Ignore it! Toriyama-sensei this first designs and draft are amazing!".

I don't think the pattern is that simply or else early Dragon Ball would be pretty bad, which isn't the case. Overall, Mr.Toriyama with a voice in his ear advising him about a detail here and there and controlling the more "unreasonable" ideas is his best iteration.

From Showcase event

I’ve written a strange new story where they finally depart from this universe. They’re fighting against their neighbors, Universe 6! They’ll yell at me if I give away too many spoilers, so I’ll keep the rest a secret, but they’re chasing after giant Super Dragon Balls

Nothing about editorial unlike with the Black announcment. & it shows in the arc since the U6 was incredibly simple just like Freeza movie. Nothing too crazy was going on but now he's been nudged into this direction and his great work is beginning to show again, sure BoG may gone through many revisions but the base was Toei.

This is only about modern DB but while talking about old DB when he worked on DB Manga he still had editors didn't he?

[LightBing]

Exactly!! If they did this for GT my god that series would have been so good coupled with it's great music and production value.

Could you please provide a source were it says the Universe 6 was solely written by Mr.Toriyama? From what I gather the Universe 6 arc falls on the same same category as the Black arc.

BoG is also in a category of it's own. Mr.Toriyama changed a script, keeping some core concepts(Hakaishin, SSJG) and modifying and/or removing the rest. While the BoG appears to have started from a suggestion, we don't know how much input was given to him. It could have just been: "Remember Future Trunks, he's cool right? How nice it would be to have him again... " Two weeks later... "Hum, should we tell him about the hair? Ignore it! Toriyama-sensei this first designs and draft are amazing!".

I don't think the pattern is that simply or else early Dragon Ball would be pretty bad, which isn't the case. Overall, Mr.Toriyama with a voice in his ear advising him about a detail here and there and controlling the more "unreasonable" ideas is his best iteration.

From Showcase event

I’ve written a strange new story where they finally depart from this universe. They’re fighting against their neighbors, Universe 6! They’ll yell at me if I give away too many spoilers, so I’ll keep the rest a secret, but they’re chasing after giant Super Dragon Balls

Nothing about editorial unlike with the Black announcment. & it shows in the arc since the U6 was incredibly simple just like Freeza movie. Nothing too crazy was going on but now he's been nudged into this direction and his great work is beginning to show again, sure BoG may gone through many revisions but the base was Toei.

This is only about modern DB but while talking about old DB when he worked on DB Manga he still had editors didn't he?

Thank you. Yeah it's likely all his. I personally wouldn't even put RoF and Universe 6 in the same conversation, for me they're Worlds apart in terms of quality. Not that Universe 6 is amazing, it's average for Dragon Ball, RoF is just that bad.

He always had them, although there isn't much talk about their hand in the early days, besides wanting to keep Goku small, where he put his foot down. I assume that means they didn't influence his work that much.
Maybe they did and we don't know, although I doubt it since Mr.Toriyama appears forthcoming when discussing these types of things.