"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Zamasu55]

HYPED.

And no, it's not an asspull. In the manga Base Kale was already stronger than Ssj Cabba.

Manga Kale >>>> Anime Kale.

[shadowfox87]

Hmm, well I was hoping Toyotaro would do something different from the anime with respect to Kale. Freeza vs the U6 Saiyans imo, is better since Freeza hates the Saiyans so it's a better match-up. This would not re-use Goku again and again and allow for other characters to have some showtime.

[spoiler]However, Kale bodies Golden Freeza in the same way she had bodied SSB Goku before. It was unclear at the time if the anime was simply doing a homage and fan service for Broly fans since the exact same thing happened in Movie 8. Here, it is clear though. Golden Freeza should be on SSB level. He was stronger than SSB Goku in RoF and then he had image training which puts him almost equal to SSB Goku (Post-Zamasu). Base Kale's speed was faster than SSJ Cabba who is supposedly only a little weaker than SSJ Vegeta. In the anime, SSG Goku was enough to take on BSSJ Kale, which makes more sense to me. I guess we'll have to wait and see until Toyotaro shows us more and how "Kefla" is scaled.[/spoiler]

So yea, I do find it ridiculous that BSSJ is already greater than SSB level, but if that's how the wind blows then...

[jplaya2023]

lol golden frieza is "losing" to girl brolly. smh. I'll wait for more scans before having a conclusive opinion but it looks like this happens at the end of the chapter.

[oozaru goku]

HYPED.

And no, it's not an asspull. In the manga Base Kale was already stronger than Ssj Cabba.

Manga Kale >>>> Anime Kale.

no that's an asspull. Kale shouldn't have ever fought even once because no one could imagine she'd be this strong. Even kalifla did look amaze in the scan. Back in buu arc goten and trunks were at ssj1 level without any hard training and that's an asspull so this is no difference.

[Ki Breaker]

Manga Kale is amazing, don't even care if this makes sense or not, that's awesome and I love it

[CriticalThinker]

This is easily going to be the best chapter for me since we're finally getting some Caulifla and Kale action. I am curious if this chapter will focus only on one fight though, not that I'd have an issue with that since this was fight I wanted to see happen.

[ShaggyBlanco]

When it was revealed that Freeza was going to be in the TOP people were certain that he would be the one to trigger Kale by tourtoring Caulifla, but for some reason Toei went with that envy stuff so I'm glad Toyo is (apparently) doing the better option. I wonder if all 3 of them are gonna get eliminated or just Cabba again (Hope he does something before going out tho)

Manga Kale seems better the the Anime one simply because the reason to go Broly mode could be better (and as far as we know she doesn't just say "sis" in her base state), not to mention that since her Base state was faster than SSJ Cabba the asspull isn't as terrible

[sintzu]

When it was revealed that Freeza was going to be in the TOP people were certain that he would be the one to trigger Kale by tourtoring Caulifla, but for some reason Toei went with that envy stuff so I'm glad Toyo is (apparently) doing the better option.

Toei wanted her to be as close to Broly as possible so they had Goku be the one to upset her cause they think they need some kind of call back every 2 minutes.

[JulieYBM]

Oh, no, Kale doesn't have that huge, Broli-esque form. I was hoping my big, buff wife would have that form, too.

[Dragono]

Hmm, well I was hoping Toyotaro would do something different from the anime with respect to Kale. Freeza vs the U6 Saiyans imo, is better since Freeza hates the Saiyans so it's a better match-up. This would not re-use Goku again and again and allow for other characters to have some showtime.

[spoiler]However, Kale bodies Golden Freeza in the same way she had bodied SSB Goku before. It was unclear at the time if the anime was simply doing a homage and fan service for Broly fans since the exact same thing happened in Movie 8. Here, it is clear though. Golden Freeza should be on SSB level. He was stronger than SSB Goku in RoF and then he had image training which puts him almost equal to SSB Goku (Post-Zamasu). Base Kale's speed was faster than SSJ Cabba who is supposedly only a little weaker than SSJ Vegeta. In the anime, SSG Goku was enough to take on BSSJ Kale, which makes more sense to me. I guess we'll have to wait and see until Toyotaro shows us more and how "Kefla" is scaled.[/spoiler]

So yea, I do find it ridiculous that BSSJ is already greater than SSB level, but if that's how the wind blows then...

There is no clear evidence that blue and golden are equal in the manga because we never saw that fight.

[shadowfox87]

There is no clear evidence that blue and golden are equal in the manga because we never saw that fight.

You saw RoF SSB Goku vs Golden Freeza. Golden Freeza is stronger than he was in RoF. He got beaten by BSSJ Kale. This means by logic that BSSJ is already greater than a RoF SSB Goku. Yes, we don't know about ToP SSB Goku, but Goku and Freeza beat each other up just before the ToP started in the manga just like the anime. So a Saiyan without any god ki, the BSSJ transformation would be a greater multiplier than SSG itself. That's what this is saying.

[BlueBasilisk]

You know, I'm suspicious that Toei originally did intend for Kale to be as strong as she was depicted in episode 100, but somewhere between the writing of the script for that episode and 114's, someone cottoned on to the idea to the idea for Kefla and she got hard nerfed in favor of fusion. Kale's SS2 supposedly being stronger than her Berserk form makes little sense given how it does comparatively worse against SS2 Goku who couldn't even budge the Berserk form, nor does the way everyone reacted to it the first time. You'd never know the skinny form was 'stronger' if Tien hadn't said her energy increased. That or it's significantly increased from her Super Saiyan form, in which case why bother having her transform at all?

Oh, no, Kale doesn't have that huge, Broli-esque form. I was hoping my big, buff wife would have that form, too.

It looks like she's starting to turn into that here:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

You saw RoF SSB Goku vs Golden Freeza. Golden Freeza is stronger than he was in RoF. He got beaten by BSSJ Kale. This means by logic that BSSJ is already greater than a RoF SSB Goku. Yes, we don't know about ToP SSB Goku, but Goku and Freeza beat each other up just before the ToP started in the manga just like the anime. So a Saiyan without any god ki, the BSSJ transformation would be a greater multiplier than SSG itself. That's what this is saying.

Didn't the RoF chapters for the manga end off saying to watch the movie to see how the fight turned out? Because in that version, Final Form Frieza was getting his ass kicked by base Goku pretty bad while his Golden form was stronger but not overwhelmingly so. The anime version buffed him up quite a bit so he was stronger in both forms.

[shadowfox87]

In the latest leak, BSSJ Kale trades blows with SSB Goku to surprising him and breaking his guard. Freeza actually kicks Goku out of the way to avoid Kale's punch.

[Doctor.]

Disgusting. As if the way the anime handled these characters wasn't bad enough. I'm sick of these awful characters taking up space.

Why are we supposed to like these two again?

[RedHeat]

Today has been amazing. Best girl getting the strength she deserves.

[shadowfox87]

Disgusting. As if the way the anime handled these characters wasn't bad enough. I'm sick of these awful characters taking up space.

Why are we supposed to like these two again?

Yea... I was hoping Toyotaro wouldn't do the same thing that the anime did, but he kinda made it worse.

Didn't the RoF chapters for the manga end off saying to watch the movie to see how the fight turned out? Because in that version, Final Form Frieza was getting his ass kicked by base Goku pretty bad while his Golden form was stronger but not overwhelmingly so. The anime version buffed him up quite a bit so he was stronger in both forms.

Yes, the point is that RoF Golden Freeza > RoF SSB Goku and if BSSJ Kale > ToP Golden Freeza and ToP SSB Goku (she broke his guard), then that's saying a lot. It's saying that BSSJ Kale can trade blows with Beerus better than Goku or Vegeta could. She has no god ki.

[OLKv3]

From what I'm seeing and hearing, this is the best chapter of the ToP by far

[oozaru goku]

In the latest leak, BSSJ Kale trades blows with SSB Goku to surprising him and breaking his guard. Freeza actually kicks Goku out of the way to avoid Kale's punch.

awww man then how much op kefla would be in the future??? Do I really have to endure seeing these asspulled girls kicking god tier characters' asses without any training at all?

[LightBing]

People jumping the gun with a couple of untranslated scans. Why did I expect better?

Anyway, from the little I saw I'm pleased with the teamwork of Kale and Caulifla. I hope it's more than just a few panels, all the rest needs the full context to formulate an opinion.

[Cetra]

At least she is brolyfied when powering up.