"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Post by kinisking » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:03 pm

nite_jay wrote:Rof took a lot of the future BoG had set up away imo. It was an ok movie, but it 1) Introduced a new form way too early, (without explaining it nonetheless) 2) Made a villain who is child's play become absurdly strong in 4 monthes 3) Nerfed one of the strongest characters a little more than needed 4) Gave Whis a random OP ability 5) Made the god form power and power scaling in general unnecessarily confusing. BoG left off with so much potential, but RoF wasted a lot of it imo. I'd rather have just had the tournament right after BoG.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Exactly! Don't forget Piccolo and Krillin having to be saved by Gohan! I mean they were fighting against scrubs...
What are opinions.

Does it disgusts people so much that people like Reserrection 'F' more than BOG. Here are the reasons are heard why fans prefer one over the other:

- More action

- Side characters actually do something other than talk or take up space

- Freeza, a fan favorite villain returns and he's a threatening villain unlike Beerus

- Little to no Pilaf Gang

- They like the humor more


BOG is only seen as a sacred cow here. Most see it as a good movie, but it's slow, Beerus isn't seen as a real threat, and the fight sequences are short.
I don't mind that people like ROF more than BOG. I try to respect peoples opinions a lot. But, it's pretty obvious they don't like it for the writing. BOG is simply written way better than ROF imo, and I am certain a lot of people would agree. People like ROF because of it's fights. It sold more because of Freeza and the fights too. Not it's writing.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:05 pm

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dbzfan7 wrote:Eh I can't really talk about the reception. Though Kei posted on twitter about fan reception during it's run. I saved the post, but I can't see it since his account is now protected.
https://twitter.com/M1120A/status/607278010987745280

For me at least F is a big piece of shit, and has a story that's a big waste of time. Thank whoever during the Super manga's serialization decided to just skip over that piece of shit, and just cut right to the Universe 6 arc. The most ingenious decision of the manga bar none.
Probably the best decision of the entire franchise.

Though it'd be funny to think if F never aired and the anime did the same thing, how the fans would react. "Goku and Vegeta achieved a new form after fighting Golden Freeza", the narrator says. "What form? Freeza came back? What?" :lol:
Dunno if I can argue with that.

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Post by alakazam^ » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:08 pm

kinisking wrote:Sorry, I find it ridiculous to bring up opinions. Well, of course it's opinions. If someone finds something bad or good, it's an opinion! I could say the problem is when people have the premise that F was good, which isn't true at all.
I have to bring up "opinions" because the way they have been brought up makes no room for actual discussion, it's just a bunch of "well, everyone agrees F is definitely bad".

Actually, F being good is the only premise possible since, if we disregard opinions, like we should, the only factors we need to judge its success or not are the boxoffice numbers, which make it a huge success. There's also no excuse to ignore that since we already knew most of the plot beforehand due to marketing and the movie got leaked anyways before reaching locations outside Japan.

I'll bow down now, this (off-)topic has been going long enough.

Still no summary leaks, right?

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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:16 pm

alakazam^ wrote:Actually, F being good is the only premise possible since, if we disregard opinions, like we should, the only factors we need to judge its success or not are the boxoffice numbers, which make it a huge success. There's also no excuse to ignore that since we already knew most of the plot beforehand due to marketing and the movie got leaked anyways before reaching locations outside Japan.
BIG difference between a successful movie and a good movie (Though they can be both sometimes). There are tons of shitty movies that are huge box office successes. There are also plenty of good movies that were box office failures. Anyone who says F was a failure is straight up wrong. It was a successful movie. Whether it's good or bad, that's really up to the individual.
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Post by HeroR » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:29 pm

kinisking wrote: Reread my comment. You're taking into account the fights, which isn't what I said. I said from a Writing perspective. Who honestly thinks that ROF is better written? Especially if they know the series.
But those are just opinions, none of them being better than the other. The problem is when people have the premise that F was bad, which isn't true at all.
Sorry, I find it ridiculous to bring up opinions. Well, of course it's opinions. If someone finds something bad or good, it's an opinion! I could say the problem is when people have the premise that F was good, which isn't true at all.
'Writing perspective' is subjective, especially if the critics don't care about the subject matter. And yes, fans and critics have said that the writing was better in Resurrection 'F' since BOG was all about pointless talking and jokes. Also, this comment, 'Especially if they know the series', is BS since it reads like the standard, 'true fan' argument.

Also, the premise of Resurrection 'F' being bad is subjective since I have seen people who prefer to see Freeza again over what they got in BOG. You didn't like Resurrection 'F', fine. Don't shove your opinion down people's throat or suggest they don't know what the series is about because they didn't like BOG or see Resurrection 'F' as a better movie.
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Post by Avok » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:48 pm

To me the RoF film is the lowest Dragon Ball has ever been. I can not think of any worthwile aspect of it.

Box office doesn't mean anything either.

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Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:51 pm

Avok wrote:To me the RoF film is the lowest Dragon Ball has ever been. I can not think of any worthwile aspect of it.
I can think of a lot of Dragon Ball things lower than F, for instance Evolution. F at least had some fun to it.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:57 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:
Avok wrote:To me the RoF film is the lowest Dragon Ball has ever been. I can not think of any worthwile aspect of it.
I can think of a lot of Dragon Ball things lower than F, for instance Evolution. F at least had some fun to it.
I'm with Gaffer Tape on that comparison. Evolution was a movie that no one believed would be good. It never looked good even when I was in middle school seeing the trailers. It also has absolutely nothing to do with the beloved Manga/Anime series, and just sits as a shit movie. It also like other products that take a series in a different direction, didn't suddenly usurp and steal time away from the main series (Which was pretty much doing nothing during this time anyways). You can forget about it, and literally it has no bearing on the series. F doesn't have that luxury. F is part of the series and can't just be ignored. It can be easily argued Evolution is worse, but it's so damn inconsequential that it doesn't even matter.
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Post by kinisking » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:09 pm

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kinisking wrote: Reread my comment. You're taking into account the fights, which isn't what I said. I said from a Writing perspective. Who honestly thinks that ROF is better written? Especially if they know the series.
But those are just opinions, none of them being better than the other. The problem is when people have the premise that F was bad, which isn't true at all.
Sorry, I find it ridiculous to bring up opinions. Well, of course it's opinions. If someone finds something bad or good, it's an opinion! I could say the problem is when people have the premise that F was good, which isn't true at all.
'Writing perspective' is subjective, especially if the critics don't care about the subject matter. And yes, fans and critics have said that the writing was better in Resurrection 'F' since BOG was all about pointless talking and jokes. Also, this comment, 'Especially if they know the series', is BS since it reads like the standard, 'true fan' argument.

Also, the premise of Resurrection 'F' being bad is subjective since I have seen people who prefer to see Freeza again over what they got in BOG. You didn't like Resurrection 'F', fine. Don't shove your opinion down people's throat or suggest they don't know what the series is about because they didn't like BOG or see Resurrection 'F' as a better movie.
Writing perspective is subjective, of course. That's why I made sure to not include everyone in my statements. Obviously there is going to be someone out there who thinks it's better written. Also, just because the critics don't care about the writing doesn't mean ROF is suddenly better written than BOG. It's like saying DBZ is better written than Shakespeare if the critics don't care for the writing. Also, you keep mentioning critics like they somehow have a higher opinion than everyone else. They're just people at the end of the day. Their opinion is not more important than mine or yours.

Okay, so people have said ROF was better written? But where are they? Without any type of source on this, you saying "fans think ROF was better written" isn't any better than me saying "fans thing BOG was better written" yet youre trying to convey it that way. I said especially if they know the series, which is directed at the fact that ROF blatantly contradicts a lot of what we know about dragonball and doesn't make as much sense in the context of the series compared to BOG. I'm not saying that someone who doesn't know much about the series has a lesser opinion, I'm saying they won't be able to see the inconsistencies. And inconsistencies equals worse writing. I didn't once shove my opinion down any ones throat. Did I ever say that someone couldn't like ROF better than BOG? Just pointing out that they like it more for fighting and Freeza than writing.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:22 pm

You could say the same thing about something like GT, though. It could've easily been done without and the story could've ended at Z (this is coming from a GT fan).
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Post by kinisking » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:30 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:You could say the same thing about something like GT, though. It could've easily been done without and the story could've ended at Z (this is coming from a GT fan).
You can do it with pretty much anything. I mean you could've finished watching at dragonball and it would seem like a complete story. Or even the cell arc.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:50 pm

kinisking wrote:You can do it with pretty much anything. I mean you could've finished watching at dragonball and it would seem like a complete story. Or even the cell arc.
Exactly. I don't see why we need to insult Resurrection 'F' so much if we ignore what it's actually good for (yes, I'm aware that some people pointed out its good qualities).
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Post by Chuquita » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:43 pm

I wonder if the summaries will be out before the episode airs on Saturday. ^^;
It would be nice to know this weekend's writer ahead of time if possible.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:44 pm

Chuquita wrote:I wonder if the summaries will be out before the episode airs on Saturday. ^^;
It would be nice to know this weekend's writer ahead of time if possible.
Don't they come out around the 10th or 12th? It's usually the middle of the month right?
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Post by Sodhi » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:55 pm

They usually come out by 7-9 of a month. If not then there is likely no leaks this month.

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Post by Avok » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:01 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:
Avok wrote:To me the RoF film is the lowest Dragon Ball has ever been. I can not think of any worthwile aspect of it.
I can think of a lot of Dragon Ball things lower than F, for instance Evolution. F at least had some fun to it.
Evolution was done by people who weren't involved in the series in any shape or form. It was made by completely strangers, so it doesn't hurt that much.

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Post by Cipher » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:34 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:You could say the same thing about something like GT, though. It could've easily been done without and the story could've ended at Z (this is coming from a GT fan).
In defense of GT over Super, the former at least brought us to spots where the characters had new status quos and could build toward an ending that would leave them in different places. In the case of the latter, we've known for twenty years where Goku and Vegeta's arcs are destined to end. For characters like Goten and Trunks, it's one thing to imply ten years of peace have left them in certain, predictable places, and another to continue to spend time with them if nothing between their starting and ending points is going to explored.

This is not a criticism of Recurrection "F", or other stand-alone, fun, one-off adventures. They make no promise of change, and I could take any number of them. But it's a different story when you're working in long form.

Which is to say, at this point, does Super at this point feel more superfluous than GT? Yeah, by a long shot. But I would've said the same thing about GT had it ended at episode 40, so I'll at least see where Super goes. It may build up to something that feels worthwhile yet.

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Post by Bullza » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:48 am

Resurrection F was better than Battle of Gods in many more ways than one.

Battle of Gods was better in how it expanded the universe with mention of how there were 12 universes but that line could have been removed and it wouldn't have affected the movie in anyway.

Resurrection F didn't exactly have a great story but it was still better than Battle of Gods which had so little story that the entire middle section of the movie was a Pilaf subplot and party gags.

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Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:19 am

F is a piece of shit is a generally agreed opinion here at least.

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Post by HeroR » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:30 am

Anime Kitten wrote:You could say the same thing about something like GT, though. It could've easily been done without and the story could've ended at Z (this is coming from a GT fan).
We can say the same thing about Z, actually. The story could have ended after the 23rd Martial Arts Tournament with Goku getting married and becoming the strongest man in the world. Heck, Z could have ended with Freeza as far as some fans are concern.
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