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Post by LightBing » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:27 pm

Doctor. wrote:Except it's not Vegeta's own crisis. The theme is clearly vocalized through Vegeta and Goku's first interaction:

You choosing to willfully ignore it does not mean it's not there. It then follows into the Namek arc, where Goku, a low-class Saiyan, keeps surpassing Saiyan limits through gravity training and defeats the epitome of natural-born talent, Freeza.

You could argue that it's not well-presented, what with the zenkai boosts being essentially free power-ups due to Saiyan biology (even if Super Saiyan still epitomizes the idea that hard work pays off since only through his gravity training could Goku achieve the necessary power to achieve the state), or that the series ditches that theme in the following arcs (which I'd somewhat agree with), but that does not mean it wasn't a major theme during two of the series' most iconic arcs.
I'm aware of that interaction where Goku is being a mouthpiece of the author to show Vegeta's World-view which later is broken and leads to his downfall. If Goku's speech meant anything, which it doesn't until that point and ins't developed after, I might call it a theme. As it was presented it's meaningless. Because Goku's never did any exceptional "hardwork" neither did all his previous foes and friends, it's blatant because at various points they share the same training and there's no distinction about who went hardest at it.
The only difference is that some are better than others, Goku the best of them all.

Further ahead in Namek it's not existent, Goku having once again perfect training conditions while having the plus of his broken physiology doesn't contribute to the theme. Where's the hardwork? Super Saiyan like the Holy water in the Piccolo Daimao arc is just rewarding the prodigy for being one.

Let's not even go to the Android Arc and beyond.

A couple of interactions don't make a theme. Much less when it's contradicted everywhere else in the manga.

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Post by Doctor. » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:28 pm

Bergamo wrote:You said later arcs, but what about the Super Divine Water?
Part 1 was different. Part 1 of Dragon Ball was about an overpowered, special monkey-tailed boy that could defeat anyone. That's fine. Part 2 flips the concept on its head and tells you that Goku is nothing special. That's why it's so offensive to backpedal on that.
Bergamo wrote:Also, Goku resolves the conflict in the cell saga?
He gives Gohan the encouragement he needs to pull the victory off. For all of Gohan's natural talent, he didn't have the mindset Goku did.

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Post by Bergamo » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:37 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Bergamo wrote:You said later arcs, but what about the Super Divine Water?
Part 1 was different. Part 1 of Dragon Ball was about an overpowered, special monkey-tailed boy that could defeat anyone. That's fine. Part 2 flips the concept on its head and tells you that Goku is nothing special. That's why it's so offensive to backpedal on that.
Bergamo wrote:Also, Goku resolves the conflict in the cell saga?
He gives Gohan the encouragement he needs to pull the victory off. For all of Gohan's natural talent, he didn't have the mindset Goku did.
By that same logic you could say that Mr. Satan resolves the conflict in the Buu Arc.
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Post by Doctor. » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:52 pm

LightBing wrote:I'm aware of that interaction where Goku is being a mouthpiece of the author to show Vegeta's World-view which later is broken and leads to his downfall. If Goku's speech meant anything, which it doesn't until that point and ins't developed after, I might call it a theme. As it was presented it's meaningless. Because Goku's never did any exceptional "hardwork" neither did all his previous foes and friends, it's blatant because at various points they share the same training and there's no distinction about who went hardest at it.
The only difference is that some are better than others, Goku the best of them all.

Further ahead in Namek it's not existent, Goku having once again perfect training conditions while having the plus of his broken physiology doesn't contribute to the theme. Where's the hardwork? Super Saiyan like the Holy water in the Piccolo Daimao arc is just rewarding the prodigy for being one.

Let's not even go to the Android Arc and beyond.

A couple of interactions don't make a theme. Much less when it's contradicted everywhere else in the manga.
How is it broken? He defeats Vegeta. Yes, with the help of his friends, but his point is proven. He surpassed Vegeta in raw power and proved to him that he was not as worthless as what he, his parents and his entire race had deemed him as at birth. Saying Goku never did any exceptional hardwork is just ignoring everything the story presents you. He trained with Kaio, the highest authority at the time. You may argue that his training methods weren't particularly harsh, but that's an issue with presentation, not an issue that decides whether or not the theme is there. Kaio's training was obviously supposed to be a major thing and his hard work is what allowed him to successfully complete that training. And while not explicitly stated, the fact that only Goku knows the Kaioken and the Genkidama should be proof enough about who went hardest at it.

The hard work is present in his dedication during the training sequence on his way to Namek. The continuous cutaways to him training without sleep or rest prove it. The point is undermined a bit by the fact that he abuses the zenkai boosts to get that strong, I agree, but the theme of hard work is still present, and it culminates in this page where it's confirmed that he surpassed normal Saiyan limitations through his own hard work (Vegeta's comment about what kind of training he did proves this clearly). Saying Super Saiyan is like the holy water is ridiculous. He only achieved Super Saiyan because he was strong enough, through his own hard work, effort and dedication. It wasn't a free power-up solely dependent on his mental fortitude. The entire point of Super Saiyan is that you have to be strong enough to achieve it first of all, that's why people have a problem when characters like Goten and Trunks, or Caulifla and Kale, achieve the forms without working hard for it.

There were countless other Saiyans who stood at the 1k-2k mark and never surpassed it. Vegeta implies he was just naturally gifted and Goku proves to him that hard work can overcome that gap. It's clear. The story presents this idea in the clearest way possible, both in the Saiyan arc and the arc that follows. Again, you could argue that it's not as well-executed or presented as it could have been, but to argue it's not there is just blatantly false.
Bergamo wrote:By that same logic you could say that Mr. Satan resolves the conflict in the Buu Arc.
Yes, he technically does. And Goku also plays a major role. I didn't say Gohan didn't play a role in defeating Cell, I said Goku also did.

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Post by Mattias_ » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:54 pm

TOURNAMENT OF POWER - ELIMINATIONS [MANGA EDITION - CHAPTERS 33 / 34 / 35 / 36 / 37]:

[spoiler]TOP 10:


1 -Android 17 - 7 eliminations
2 - Freezer - 5 eliminations
3 - Son Gohan - 3 eliminations
4 - Vegeta - 2 eliminations
5 - Jiren - 1 elimination
6 - Caulifla - 1 elimination
7 - Cabba - 1 elimination
8 - Zirloin
9 - Rabanra
10 - Zarbuto

TOP 25:

11 - Maji Kayo
12 - Bollarator
13 - Kotsuikai
14 - Papparoni
15 - Panchia
16 - Nigrisshi
17 - Ganos
18 - Shosa
19 - Shanza
20 - Magetta
21 - Saonel
22 - Pilina
23 - Kale
24 - Son Goku
25 - Kame' Sen'Nin


TOP 50:

26 - Obuni
27 - Toppo
28 - Dyspo
29 - Vuon
30 - Kunshi
31 - Tupper
32 - Zoiray
33 - Cocotte
34 - Kettol
35 - Kahseral

36 - The Preecho
37 - Darkori
38 - Frost -
7 eliminations
39 - Gamisaras - 6 eliminations
40 - Piccolo - 5 eliminations
41 - Android 18 - 1 elimination
42 - Damon 1 elimination
43 - Murichim
44 - Jilcol
45 - Ribrianne
46 - Rozie
47 - Kakunsa
48 - Methiop
49 - Napapa

50 - Dium

TOP 80:

51 - Botamo
52 - Jirasen
53 - Vikal
54 - Hermila
55 - Caway
56 - Majora
57 - Libeleu
58 - Hit
59 - Bergamo
60 - Basil
61 - Lavender
62 - Comfrey
63 - Hop
64 - Sorrell
65 - Cheppil
66 - Hyssop - 1 elimination
67 - Roselle
68 - Oregano
69 - Tenshinhan
70 - Narirama
71 - Viara
72 - Monna
73 - Dr. Rota
74 - Kuririn
75 - Nink
76 - Katopesla
77 - Jimeze
78 - Prum - 1 elimination
79 - Rubalt
80 - Murisam


______________________________________________________________________________

ELIMINATIONS:



1. Murisam (Universe 10) was eliminited by A17 (Universe 7)

2. Rubalt (Universe 10) was eliminited by Freezer (Universe 7)

3. Prum (Universe 2) was eliminited by A18 (Universe 7)

4. Jimeze (Universe 2) was eliminited by Prum (Universe 2)

5. Katopesla (Universe 3) was eliminited by Vegeta (Universe 7)

6. Nink (Universe 4) was eliminited by Vegeta (Universe 7)

7. Krillin (Universe 7) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

8. Dr. Rota (Universe 6) was eliminited by ?????

9. Monna (Universe 4) was eliminited by ??????

10. Viara (Universe 3) was eliminited by ??????

11. Narirama (Universe 3) was eliminited by ??????

12. Tenshinhan (Universe 7) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

13. Oregano (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

14. Roselle (Universe 9) was eliminited by Hyssop (Universe 9)

15. Hyssop (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

16. Cheppil (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

17. Sorrell (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

18. Hop (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

19. Comfrey (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

20. Frost (Universe 6) was eliminited by Freezer (Universe 7)

21. Lavender (Universe 9) was eliminited by Freezer (Universe 7)

22. Basil (Universe 9) was eliminited by Freezer (Universe 7)

23. Bergamo (Universe 9) was eliminited by Freezer (Universe 7)

Universe 9 Erased.

24. Hit (Universe 6) was eliminited by Jiren (Universe 11)

25. Libeleu (Universe 10) was eliminited by ??????

26. Majora (Universe 4) was eliminited by ??????

27. Caway (Universe 4) was eliminited by ??????

28. Hermila (Universe 2) was eliminited by ??????

29. Vikal (Universe 2) was eliminited by ??????

30. Jirasen (Universe 10) was eliminited by Piccolo (Universe 7)

31. Botamo (Universe 6) was eliminited by Android 17 (Universe 7)

32. Dium (Universe 10) was eliminited by Piccolo (Universe 7), Son Gohan (Universe 7) & Android 17 (Universe 7)

33. Napapa (Universe 10) was eliminited by Piccolo (Universe 7), Son Gohan (Universe 7) & Android 17 (Universe 7)

34. Methiop (Universe 10) was eliminited by Piccolo (Universe 7), Son Gohan (Universe 7) & Android 17 (Universe 7)

35. Android 18 (Universe 7) was eliminited by Gamisaras (Universe 4)

36. Sansa Ku (Universe 2) was eliminited by Gamisaras (Universe 4)

37. Rozie (Universe 2) was eliminited by Gamisaras (Universe 4)

38. Ribrianne (Universe 2) was eliminited by Gamisaras (Universe 4)

39. Jilcol (Universe 10) was eliminited by Gamisaras (Universe 4)

40. Murichim (Universe 10) was eliminited by Gamisaras (Universe 4)

41. Gamisaras (Universe 4) was eliminited by Piccolo (Universe 7)

42. Piccolo (Universe 7) was eliminited by Damon (Universe 4)

43. Damon (Universe 7) was eliminited by Android 17 (Universe 7)

44. Darkori (Universe 4) was eliminited by Caulifla (Universe 6)

45. The Preecho (Universe 3) was eliminited by Cabba (Universe 6)

______________________________________________________________________________

UNIVERSES CHART:


U7 - 25 eliminations [MPV: A17 / Freezer / Piccolo]
U6 - 9 eliminations [MPV: Frost]
U4 - 6 eliminations [MPV: Gamisaras]
U11 - 1 elimination [MPV: Jiren]
U2 - 1 elimination [MPV: Prum]
U9 - 1 elimination [MPV: Hyssop]

U2 - 3/10
U3 - 6/10
U4 - 3/10
U6 - 6/10
U7 - 6/10
U9 - ERASED
U10 - 1/10
U11 - 10/10

35/80 fighters still in the arena.[/spoiler]
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Post by Doctor. » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:04 pm

Mattias_ wrote:snip
Missing Frost in the top 10.

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Post by Omniboy » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:23 pm

One interesting thing I've noticed in this arc so far is that Toyo seems to alternating between chapters that are frantic and chaotic, with numerous amount of people being eliminated , then switching to more narrow viewed chapters that focus on a few a select characters with very little eliminations (with the exclusion of the first chapter of this tournament). I'm not sure how I feel about this take, but If I am correct in this sentiment then I find it likely that the next chapter may have master Roshi and large amount of other contenders eliminated, while returning to the battle royal aspect of this tournament.

However, I may be wrong, and the next chapter may also be focused on Kale as well. Admittedly the quality has kind of dropped after the first two chapters of this tournament. But I have still enjoyed it.

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Post by Marlowe89 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:26 pm

Hard work as a theme is something I'd sooner attribute to early Naruto rather than Dragon Ball, which was always generally more concerned with having Goku reach new heights through a variety of methods rather than forcing him to do it in a specific way. Goku's character encompasses a unique mixture of innate ability and strenuous effort, which was established from early on in manga and further emphasized in Battle of Gods, where Goku obtains a brand new dimension of power through a magical Saiyan ritual, despite him personally finding that route unsatisfying since it didn't require any effort on his part. That doesn't imply the inverse to be any more prevalent -- Goku's Saiyan heritage is explicitly said to be something that contributes to his rapid progression during the Freeza arc. There's clearly an intended duality here.

Toriyama's Dragon Ball didn't shy away from throwing the idea of exclusive hard work to the wayside at multiple points during its original run. On some occasions, namely the Buu arc, it actively mocked it. I wouldn't say that Kale's transformation represents a betrayal of Toriyama's narrative principles if she was already a skilled combatant beforehand, and even if hard work was somehow pushed as a strong underlying theme at one point, Super isn't necessarily beholden to one or two arcs of the series.
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Post by Dragon Wukong » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:26 pm

Kale was definitely made little TOO OP for what's basically her first Super Saiyan form. Though it's basically the same as what we got in episode 100, replace Blue Goku with Golden Frieza, but it's made a little too clear this time that there's no holding back.

That being said, I thought the fight was good, and the art is A LOT better than last month's chapter. Golden Frieza actually looks freaking great.

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Post by prince212 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:28 pm

THe whole chapter is out there , just two eliminations by kale and cabba .
I really like kale in base form
It was as if a whole lot of people ...were screaming in pain....

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Post by DestructoDisc » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:32 pm

prince212 wrote:THe whole chapter is out there , just two eliminations by kale and cabba .
I really like kale in base form
Where can I see it?

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Post by LightBing » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:32 pm

Doctor. wrote:How is it broken? He defeats Vegeta. Yes, with the help of his friends, but his point is proven. He surpassed Vegeta in raw power and proved to him that he was not as worthless as what he, his parents and his entire race had deemed him as at birth. Saying Goku never did any exceptional hardwork is just ignoring everything the story presents you. He trained with Kaio, the highest authority at the time. You may argue that his training methods weren't particularly harsh, but that's an issue with presentation, not an issue that decides whether or not the theme is there. Kaio's training was obviously supposed to be a major thing and his hard work is what allowed him to successfully complete that training. And while not explicitly stated, the fact that only Goku knows the Kaioken and the Genkidama should be proof enough about who went hardest at it.

The hard work is present in his dedication during the training sequence on his way to Namek. The continuous cutaways to him training without sleep or rest prove it. The point is undermined a bit by the fact that he abuses the zenkai boosts to get that strong, I agree, but the theme of hard work is still present, and it culminates in this page where it's confirmed that he surpassed normal Saiyan limitations through his own hard work (Vegeta's comment about what kind of training he did proves this clearly). Saying Super Saiyan is like the holy water is ridiculous. He only achieved Super Saiyan because he was strong enough, through his own hard work, effort and dedication. It wasn't a free power-up solely dependent on his mental fortitude. The entire point of Super Saiyan is that you have to be strong enough to achieve it first of all, that's why people have a problem when characters like Goten and Trunks, or Caulifla and Kale, achieve the forms without working hard for it.

There were countless other Saiyans who stood at the 1k-2k mark and never surpassed it. Vegeta implies he was just naturally gifted and Goku proves to him that hard work can overcome that gap. It's clear. The story presents this idea in the clearest way possible, both in the Saiyan arc and the arc that follows. Again, you could argue that it's not as well-executed or presented as it could have been, but to argue it's not there is just blatantly false.
By that logic Nappa consolidates Vegeta's point by murdering almost everyone before Goku got there. He didn't surpass Vegeta, if you count the Kaioken then you must count Oozaru.

His training with Kaio was just to equalize him with Nappa and Vegeta. Let's not forget how Goku spent his life developing in a planet full of weaklings with crap gravity. It's not a coincidence that Kaio's planet is x10 gravity like Planet Vegeta.

If it's not stated then it's not a point because it can easily go both ways. I can argue it just makes Goku even more of a prodigy because not even Kaio - a God - could master the Kaioken. Plus knowing Tenshinhan he would definitely go as hard as Goku training, he even has a little monologue reaffirming his rivalry with Goku.

I won't argue that Goku didn't train hard enough in his trip but that doesn't make the theme, it's just par the course of what is expected.
He achieved Super Saiyan because his zenkai was more broken than Vegeta's, are you ignoring his broken zenkai which makes up 90% of his progress since the previous arc?

The author clearly distinguishes Goku as the better prodigy between him and Vegeta by making Super Saiyan a legendary transformation, having Vegeta believing he's the one who has it and giving both of them a ridiculous final zenkai, only for Goku to have the much better one because he's goddamn Goku the prodigy; not the underdog who trains really hard.

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DestructoDisc wrote:
prince212 wrote:THe whole chapter is out there , just two eliminations by kale and cabba .
I really like kale in base form
Where can I see it?
[spoiler]snip[/spoiler]
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prince212 wrote:
DestructoDisc wrote:
prince212 wrote:THe whole chapter is out there , just two eliminations by kale and cabba .
I really like kale in base form
Where can I see it?
[spoiler]snip[/spoiler]
Thanks!

I love manga Kale. It was so badass how she defeated Darkori and made her Freeza her bitch

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Post by ShaggyBlanco » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:47 pm

Whoa, Base Kale is definitely better than the anime one... yeah, that's not saying much is it?
But seriously, the way she was helping Caulifla and the reason to transform makes her way better than the crybaby she was in the anime

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Post by Doctor. » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:52 pm

Marlowe89 wrote:Hard work as a theme is something I'd sooner attribute to early Naruto rather than Dragon Ball, which was always generally more concerned with having Goku reach new heights through a variety of methods rather than force him to do it in a specific way. Goku's character encompasses a unique mixture of innate ability and strenuous effort, which was established from early on in manga and further emphasized in Battle of Gods, where Goku obtains a brand new dimension of power through a magical Saiyan ritual, despite him personally finding that route unsatisfying since it didn't require any effort on his part. That doesn't imply the inverse to be any more prevalent -- Goku's Saiyan heritage is explicitly said to be something that contributes to his rapid progression during the Freeza arc. There's clearly an intended duality here.

Toriyama's Dragon Ball didn't shy away from throwing the idea of exclusive hard work to the wayside at multiple points during its original run. On some occasions, namely the Buu arc, it actively mocked it. I wouldn't say that Kale's transformation represents a betrayal of Toriyama's narrative principles if she was already a skilled combatant beforehand, and even if hard work was somehow pushed as a strong underlying theme at one point, Super isn't necessarily beholden to one or two arcs of the series.
He still excels at those training methods compared to his piers, though. His enthusiasm and dedication is constantly emphasized. Goku is certainly inherently gifted compared to, say, the humans, that's the entire point of the first half of the series. The point of the Saiyan arc, however, is to flip that on its head and put Goku's strength (and, by extension, the Saiyan's) into perspective. He may be the strongest being on Earth, but he was only sent there because Earth is a weak planet to begin with. And even though we thought he was such a gifted fighter, he was deemed as trash by his parents; and his lack of innate ability in comparison to his Saiyan compatriots is proven by the fact that he was so weak in comparison to Raditz. And his entire race, though they have potential to become stronger, are also ants in the face of Freeza's top guys, let alone Freeza himself. Goku's strength being put into perspective like this serves only one purpose: to emphasize how hard he has to work to overcome those gaps, and this is clearly verbalized in his fight with Vegeta. Yes, he got so strong due to a combination of unique training methods, insane dedication and his Saiyan-specific traits, but these are irrelevant when you consider the fact that none of the other Saiyans got as strong even though they share the same abilities; it's his dedication and his training methods that are emphasized by Vegeta, not his innate ability, when Goku touches down on Namek.

Like I said previously though, you can argue that the following arcs ignore this theme entirely and may even contradict it. That's fine; I'd agree. Super doesn't necessarily have to adhere to the same philosophy of the first two arcs of part 2, I get that. However, I'm expressing disappointment over the fact that this accidental piece of narrative genius has been ditched in following arcs and has been actively contradicted in modern Dragon Ball (Minus and EoB as the most extreme examples) and advocating for a return to this theme.

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Post by prince212 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:57 pm

ShaggyBlanco wrote:Whoa, Base Kale is definitely better than the anime one... yeah, that's not saying much is it?
But seriously, the way she was helping Caulifla and the reason to transform makes her way better than the crybaby she was in the anime
Absolutely, base kale is something else , really a prodigy, I have no problems at all with that instead of the hard working thing these guys are talking about
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Post by shadowfox87 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:17 pm

I do really love Base Kale in the manga. She's not some shy little girl that can't throw a punch. Here, Kale has been hiding her true power and acting weak just so that Caulifla feels good about herself. Her Base is easily > SSJ Caulifla and SSJ Cabba. Before, she had stole that pendant from SSJ Cabba. We thought that Cabba was just off guard, but here it doesn't seems so. Base Kale's speed was enough to keep up with Golden Freeza.

I also like how BSSJ Kale makes Hulk from Avengers seem like child's play when throwing around Thor. I definitely do not agree with Kale's power scaling but I do like the chapter and the fights.
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Post by Draconic » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:21 pm

The black highlights on Golden Freeza look like ass. He looks terrific when he's missing them and the shiny effect is greatly established trough the use of the wavy shaped white highlights. Whatever was in Toyotaro's mind when he added those shit stains, I can't understand.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Post by shadowfox87 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:24 pm

Also, it seems that SSB Goku did land a direct blow to BSSJ Kale that hurt her. The fight between Goku and Kale wasn't over. It got interrupted, so there's no way to say. However, I'm pretty sure that Base Kale > SSJ Cabba and SSJ Caulifla, which means > Base Goku and Vegeta too.
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