"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[Hellspawn28]

I don't care if we get a SSj5 or not. I never view DB Heroes apart of the anime or manga. SSj5 would likely be a video game only thing and the form will be featless. So we don't have to worry about stupid fans using it in debates.

[miguelnuva1]

I don't care if we get a SSj5 or not. I never view DB Heroes apart of the anime or manga. SSj5 would likely be a video game only thing and the form will be featless. So we don't have to worry about stupid fans using it in debates.

We already have a SSJ5, SSJG outclasses SSJ4 completely.

[Chuquita]

BOG gave me magenta-haired, svelte, sparkily, fire-element-power-up Goku and he is both glamorous and fantastic. That's so far beyond what I ever could've imagined getting that it still boggles my mind (yes horrible pun intended :3 ) so a proverbial ssj5 exclusive to Heroes wouldn't affect me at all. I am that satisfied with ssjg's design (well, if I'm really nit-picky I'd say it needed its own costume too, but it not having one frees me up to design my own ). If anything maybe Heroes ssj5 would look like what a good chunk of people imagined ssjg would originally look like--golden ssj4. That way those who wanted that design to come true could have it?

[Silkman3003]

I don't care if we get a SSj5 or not. I never view DB Heroes apart of the anime or manga. SSj5 would likely be a video game only thing and the form will be featless. So we don't have to worry about stupid fans using it in debates.

We already have a SSJ5, SSJG outclasses SSJ4 completely.

Except that he's obviously talking about the "SSJ5" with the silver hair, or just a variation of the ssj4 form thats been made up by fans. You know, a what if SSJ form that has never been in the DB franchise at all. I don't know what your latter statement has to do with anything, but it's irrelevant. Not only because he's not referring to or hinting at SSG, but it has nothing to do with what he said and i'm not sure why saying "lols this form outclasses the other form completely!" has jack to do with anything other than trying to bring up stupid power debates here.

Let them add anything in this game. SSJ5 Goku,SSG Vegeta , hatchiyack controlled by baby,anything. It doesn't matter to me. I for one, like the fact that this game adds characters from the DBZ/GT anime, along with what if forms of characters.

Who knows, maybe some of those what if characters in DB heroes can possibly come on a future handheld or console DBZ game

[some_weirdGuy]

I used spoiler because I don´t want problems with the people who are reading the manga, sorry

Well, it´s time for speculate (Victory Mission):

Spoiler:

Who is this guy (black silhouette with broken dragon ball) ?


New suits for namekian avatars ?

That silhouetted figure, it looks like

Spoiler:

Dr. Gero, only dressed like a cowboy. I know I'm tired because now I'm picturing either an entire alt universe that's DB-by-way-of-the-old-west, or Dr. Gero and 17 parody of Back to the Future pt 3. o_o;

looks more like

Spoiler:

Myuu to me. The only thing that indicates otherwise is the ears seem a little big/round, and have those earrings, but since he's in a different costume, and heroes commonly uses GT elements, i could see it being myuu. Alternatively they may have given raichi a shave, the big round ears are kinda like a nobs he has on the sides of his head XD

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Except that he's obviously talking about the "SSJ5" with the silver hair, or just a variation of the ssj4 form thats been made up by fans. You know, a what if SSJ form that has never been in the DB franchise at all. I don't know what your latter statement has to do with anything, but it's irrelevant. Not only because he's not referring to or hinting at SSG, but it has nothing to do with what he said and i'm not sure why saying "lols this form outclasses the other form completely!" has jack to do with anything other than trying to bring up stupid power debates here.

I think what he is trying to say is that Super Saiyan God is like Super Saiyan 5, since it's much stronger than Super Saiyan 4.

[hulkty]

First everyone was wondering if SSjGod was even around SSj4 level...now they are saying it makes SSj4 look weak??? WTF?
When did this start happening, and where is proof???...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

First everyone was wondering if SSjGod was even around SSj4 level...now they are saying it makes SSj4 look weak??? WTF?
When did this start happening, and where is proof???...

Super Vegetto is stated to be "perhaps stronger" than SS4 Goku in the extras section of the GT TV Special Animation Comic, Beers is confirmed to be strongest being in DBZ (including Super Vegetto), and Goku said that he never imagined such power existed when he turned Super Saiyan God (implying that he is above Super Vegetto as well).

[DNA]

It's a ridiculous statement since there is no way to prove such a thing. Furthermore, as stated, Super Saiyan God uses God power which functions differently from Ki power, Super Saiyan 4 obviously uses amazing amounts of Ki power. So since they work in a different way, there is no point of comparison. It's like trying to say that a lemon is more sour than a banana is sweet.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's a ridiculous statement since there is no way to prove such a thing.

... You didn't see my post, did you?

[hleV]

I keep saying this, but Beerus is not the strongest in Z (Whis is) and whatever source claims that is outright wrong and untrustworthy.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I keep saying this, but Beerus is not the strongest in Z (Whis is) and whatever source claims that is outright wrong and untrustworthy.

Beers was never stated to be weaker than he was supposed to, and Whis strength was a mystery at that time. Once we learned how strong Whis was, and once Super Saiyan God Goku was created, we learned that those 3 are the 3 strongest beings in DBZ (with Whis > Beers > SSG Goku).

[DNA]

It's a ridiculous statement since there is no way to prove such a thing.

... You didn't see my post, did you?

It was already on course, and as hleV just said, Whis is strongest there is. Furthermore, Vegetto might actually be powered by God power, since the fusion works with Potara, which come from the Kaioshin and are supposed to only be used by them. Of course this is nothing more than speculation.
They do say Vegetto is "perhaps stronger" and I would believe he is stronger, but I don't think Beers could go toe to toe with Vegetto unscathed.

Anyway, unless it's flat-out stated that Beers is stronger than Vegetto, instead of simply implied, I won't take it as fact. Even if it is, I'll have a hard time believing it.

[Silkman3003]

Except that he's obviously talking about the "SSJ5" with the silver hair, or just a variation of the ssj4 form thats been made up by fans. You know, a what if SSJ form that has never been in the DB franchise at all. I don't know what your latter statement has to do with anything, but it's irrelevant. Not only because he's not referring to or hinting at SSG, but it has nothing to do with what he said and i'm not sure why saying "lols this form outclasses the other form completely!" has jack to do with anything other than trying to bring up stupid power debates here.

I think what he is trying to say is that Super Saiyan God is like Super Saiyan 5, since it's much stronger than Super Saiyan 4.

But the original poster still isn't referring to or even taking into account SSG in his post . The guy already knows about SSG, unless he's been out of the loop for the year and has been ignoring the constant posts about it. He's specifically talking about SSJ5, which doesn't exist in any anime/manga/game form, but by fans and a rumor and drawing from years ago . Thus the mention of SSG at all is irrelevant to his point, because SSG is not SSJ5. I don't see how power is irrelevant.

Super Vegetto is stated to be "perhaps stronger" than SS4 Goku in the extras section of the GT TV Special Animation Comic,

This is another debate entirely and the keyword being perhaps. It is a possibility, but it's not set in stone and it isn't fully reliable since it contradicts the original source that has Baby Vegeta(2nd form) being more powerful than him. (from my interpretation anyway)
http://i.imgur.com/JEbEVew.png?1
http://i.imgur.com/NRT9YrE.png?1

But don't even waste your time trying to counterpoint and put up reasons why this is wrong, and why your source is likely right. Why? Because all the debate is going to lead to is Sticking to what we believe, interpretation arguments, repeating the same arguments, no matter how much points we bring up and despite how many people who may agree with your or my stance, is not going to change a damn thing. Which is why this should stick to being in the in universe discussions, instead of the game board because it just clutters up the topic with dumb debates and arguments that have been done to death for god knows how many years. Vegito vs Bills, SSJ4 vs Vegito, SSJ4 vs SSG discussions really have no use here, and should be discussed in the dedicated board(in Universe discussion).

I'm not trying to be an ass here or anything. I'm only saying that debating this here any further is pretty futile, as we aren't all going to come to the exact same agreement, and it just derails what this thread is originally about.

[hleV]

I keep saying this, but Beerus is not the strongest in Z (Whis is) and whatever source claims that is outright wrong and untrustworthy.

Beers was never stated to be weaker than he was supposed to, and Whis strength was a mystery at that time. Once we learned how strong Whis was, and once Super Saiyan God Goku was created, we learned that those 3 are the 3 strongest beings in DBZ (with Whis > Beers > SSG Goku).

So how does that invalidate the fact that the statement of Beerus being the strongest is invalid and untrustworthy?

[miguelnuva1]

I don't care if we get a SSj5 or not. I never view DB Heroes apart of the anime or manga. SSj5 would likely be a video game only thing and the form will be featless. So we don't have to worry about stupid fans using it in debates.

We already have a SSJ5, SSJG outclasses SSJ4 completely.

Except that he's obviously talking about the "SSJ5" with the silver hair, or just a variation of the ssj4 form thats been made up by fans. You know, a what if SSJ form that has never been in the DB franchise at all. I don't know what your latter statement has to do with anything, but it's irrelevant. Not only because he's not referring to or hinting at SSG, but it has nothing to do with what he said and i'm not sure why saying "lols this form outclasses the other form completely!" has jack to do with anything other than trying to bring up stupid power debates here.

SSJ5 is way to hyped to ever be in a game. Either you go with the gold colored SSJ4 and people would complain or you go with the Silver more well know version and people will be made they don't have there Gold ssj4.

My suggestion was to simply use SSJG as the fifth SSJ transformation because in a way that is what it is.

1. Fifth completely new ssj form seen in DBZ.

2. It's power does surpass SSJ4 since it made Goku at least lightspeed and made him a solar system buster.

3.God Ki is so strong it can't be sensed like regular ki(not 100% on this)?

4. Depending on how BOG Goku compares to SSJ4 Goku the transformation was a bigger power up.

All these are more or less characteristics of a SSJ5 and instead of the form being introduced and then fans complain that it doesn't look right or it's AF crap, I'd rather SSJG be treated as SSJ5.

[Xeogran]

Everyone is believing that certain book's old page now. A lot of retcons happened since then. My logic is simple:
End of Z Goku = Bills or maybe even > BIlls. GT Goku > EoZ Goku because he can turn SSJ4, thus he's above Bills and Whis.

We can assume that End of Z Goku has fought Bills or any other gods again (Because let's admit it, if they made another movie, it would still be pre-Uub/End of Z saga). Goku only grows stronger in this time.

That old scan is irrevelant nowadays. SSJ4 Goku > Super Vegetto. SSJ God was non-existant when they wrote it, but now it changed a lot.

[miguelnuva1]

Everyone is believing that certain book's old page now. A lot of retcons happened since then. My logic is simple:
End of Z Goku = Bills or maybe even > BIlls. GT Goku > EoZ Goku because he can turn SSJ4, thus he's above Bills and Whis.

We can assume that End of Z Goku has fought Bills or any other gods again (Because let's admit it, if they made another movie, it would still be pre-Uub/End of Z saga). Goku only grows stronger in this time.

That old scan is irrevelant nowadays. SSJ4 Goku > Super Vegetto. SSJ God was non-existant when they wrote it, but now it changed a lot.

BOG actually retcons EOZ though.

In the GT verse nothing happens from Buu to EOZ

in BOG verse we have BOG between Buu and EOZ.

[Rukura]

The silhouette looks more like Dr Lychee

[Silkman3003]

My suggestion was to simply use SSJG as the fifth SSJ transformation because in a way that is what it is.

It's one thing to say that a "SSJ5 is way to hyped to ever be in a game", or to say that they wont introduce a new transformation never before seen in a game, but the fact of the matter is that Super Saiyan God is not SSJ5. SSG is never referred to as a SSJ5. SSJ5 does not exist in any form of db video game, manga, or anime, outside of fan made stuff. SSG is a form recognized throughout DB media.SSJ5 is not. It doesn't matter if you want to make some connection, the fact of the matter is that it is not SSJ5.the only reference to a ssj5 was what, a dub quote from GT? And people who believe that SSJ4 Gogetas alt with silver hair was a nod to all of those AF SSJ5 pics?


There is really nothing to it, it's that simple. He's talking about the hypothetical chance of (fan made)SSJ5 being in a game. Your talking about SSG, which has jack to do with anything. Why should people start referring SSG as SSJ5, if it factually is not the case even in the movie? It's just plain wrong because not even the people who wrote the movie or introduced the form, refer it as such. Bills talks about Goku becoming a God, and other characters refer to him as such. Not SSJ4, let alone SSJ5.

All these are more or less characteristics of a SSJ5 and instead of the form being introduced and then fans complain that it doesn't look right

Some fans claim that they were unimpressed with SSG in the movie, or that it just looks like his base form with red hair and a new aura. There will always be fan complaints for each form.