Unpopular DB opinions

[TheGmGoken]

Dragon Ball did every single thing better than Z, and Toriyama should have never bothered with Z.

Although, this may be a pretty popular opinion, actually.

Not really. Quite split 60-40. With 60% being Z and 40% preferring Dragonball. Or you can like some(LIKE Myself) who love both equally. I never heard anyone saying Toriyama should't bother with Z. The closest I heard to that was that they just prefer DB.

Bar one or two good parts (Goku vs Piccolo at the 23rd, King Piccolo in general), the pre-Raditz portions are mostly crap.

Wow. I consider you a good internet friend. But we're really opposite when it comes to Dragonball aren't we . But Pre-Raditz being crap? C'mon!!!! You have to admit it's better than the Cyborg Arc

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Bar one or two good parts (Goku vs Piccolo at the 23rd, King Piccolo in general), the pre-Raditz portions are mostly crap.

Disagree so much, all of the tournaments are good, Roshi's training is a lot of fun, Tao Pai Pai, Karin, Pirate Cave, the humor, Pilaf, young adorable Goku, Ninja Murasaki. All of that is excellent.

[thatdbzguy]

"More intelligent DBZ fans"? Okay, now you're just being an ass.

The humor wasn't funny (Buu arc is funnier), the fights were either boring stomps or unfunny gags (bar a few exceptions), and the rivalries sucked because all of the so called rivals were total failures who existed solely to get stomped by Goku then spend a bunch of their screen time verbally sucking his dick.

I say more intelligent fans because a lot of the casual American fanbase has the "YEAH, DBZ, SUCH A HARDCORE MANLY MAN SHOW, YEAH" mentality, and they don't know any better.

The humor in the Buu saga almost single-handedly killed that entire saga, 85% of DBZ fights were one-sided stomps, and the only rivalry in Z was piss-poor, with Goku not giving two shits about Vegeta's grudge.

[thatdbzguy]

You have to admit it's better than the Cyborg Arc

Being better than the Cyborg arc is like being better than the Twilight series.

In the end, that doesn't say much at all.

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You have to admit it's better than the Cyborg Arc

Being better than the Cyborg arc is like being better than the Twilight series.

In the end, that doesn't say much at all.

Don't compare anything in Z to Twilight.

The humor in the Buu saga almost single-handedly killed that entire saga, 85% of DBZ fights were one-sided stomps, and the only rivalry in Z was piss-poor, with Goku not giving two shits about Vegeta's grudge.

Where'd you get the idea that Goku didn't care?

[RandomGuy96]

"More intelligent DBZ fans"? Okay, now you're just being an ass.

The humor wasn't funny (Buu arc is funnier), the fights were either boring stomps or unfunny gags (bar a few exceptions), and the rivalries sucked because all of the so called rivals were total failures who existed solely to get stomped by Goku then spend a bunch of their screen time verbally sucking his dick.

I say more intelligent fans because a lot of the casual American fanbase has the "YEAH, DBZ, SUCH A HARDCORE MANLY MAN SHOW, YEAH" mentality, and they don't know any better.

The humor in the Buu saga almost single-handedly killed that entire saga, 85% of DBZ fights were one-sided stomps, and the only rivalry in Z was piss-poor, with Goku not giving two shits about Vegeta's grudge.

You kidding? The humor was one of the best parts of the best arc in Dragon Ball.

No, you outright said that intelligent fans should like DB better than DBZ in every way.

That's a big exaggeration. Even if it wasn't, 85% would still be a lower proportion of stomps.

I don't give a shit about rivalries so that's fine with me. But at least Piccolo and Vegeta were somewhat able to keep up with Goku 'til the Cell Games. Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Yamcha were either garbage from the start or became garbage five minutes after their first fight.

@Goken: some parts were better than the Cell arc, like the King Piccolo arc. Others, like the Baba arc, were not.

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So what if they couldn't keep up with Goku? That doesn't make those characters garbage.

[TheGmGoken]

"More intelligent DBZ fans"? Okay, now you're just being an ass.

The humor wasn't funny (Buu arc is funnier), the fights were either boring stomps or unfunny gags (bar a few exceptions), there was way too much "I stomp you cause my power is bigger", and the rivalries sucked because all of the so called rivals were total failures who existed solely to get stomped by Goku then spend a bunch of their screen time verbally sucking his dick.

The only parts I'd describe as well done are the final fight at the 23rd and most of the darker parts of the King Piccolo arc. Like when Goku found Krillin's body.

. Random. You're a great friend and you keep proving we're opposites in DB. Guess oppsite attracts. Boo Arc is funnier? I found Bulma no balls scene funnier than everything in the Boo Arc not relating Gohan's high-school adventures. Goku's "Dick sucking" happen in every arc to be honest. Prime example BoG. Just saying. But let's not turn this thread to a DB vs DBZ debate. Dragonball Z had way more "I STOMP CAUSE MY KI IS BIGGER AHAHAHHA". Last time I check Goku had a even battle with Roshi and Roshi clearly had bigger power. The rivalries in Z was one-sided as well. Goku and Vegeta barely had screen time together unless it was Vegeta being mad at Kakarot. It wasn't until Boo Arc to which their "Rivalry" matter.

Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Yamcha were either garbage from the start or became garbage five minutes after their first fight.

Wrong. Ten was praised highly after Goku's fight. He was the 2nd most important character in Piccolo Sr. Arc. Everyone counted on HIM and Goku. That's not garbage. Krillin was ALWAYS there to support and then even true in Z. So I don't know where you get these ideas from. Only one that became..."Garbage"(Ignoring all jokes) was Yamcha because he was a gag character.

[Gyt Kaliba]

So what if they couldn't keep up with Goku? That doesn't make those characters garbage.

This. The idea that the characters have to be at the forefront of strength to be important at all or worthwhile as a character is one that I just don't get.

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"sucking his dick"

Do we have to be so course? Besides, he's the main character, of course he's going to be lauded.

[DBZ Mick]

Dragon Ball did every single thing better than Z, and Toriyama should have never bothered with Z.

Although, this may be a pretty popular opinion, actually.

From the 22nd Budokai until Freeza the series is on fire so I don't agree.

Why are you suddenly starting this up again?

[DBZAOTA482]

You have to admit it's better than the Cyborg Arc

Being better than the Cyborg arc is like being better than the Twilight series.

In the end, that doesn't say much at all.

That's mean.

[TheGmGoken]

"sucking his dick"

Do we have to be so course? Besides, he's the main character, of course he's going to be lauded.

Yea. Plus Random acting as if it only happen in Dragonball. This happen in every damn arc in Dragonball Z + the movies. It's rare that the Main character doesn't get the most praise from the cast. Even if the main character is a bad guy. The heroes will praise him to death but wish he was on the good side.

@Goken: some parts were better than the Cell arc, like the King Piccolo arc. Others, like the Baba arc, were not.

I highly disagree but I respect your opinion. Just can't see how someone would say that.

[thatdbzguy]

Don't compare anything in Z to Twilight.

Why not? Like Twilight, the Cyborg saga represents everything you should not do in order to make a good story.

Where'd you get the idea that Goku didn't care?

The fact that we never see the rivalry from Goku's perspective? It's always "BLAH, I HATE KAKAROT, BLAH" from Vegeta's perspective. We're never given Goku's perspective on things.

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Why not? Like Twilight, the Cyborg saga represents everything you should not do in order to make a good story.

It's far better written, a good villain (I know not everyone agrees, but I stick by it), and actually interesting characters. Even the dialog is better.

Dude, I'm tired of you crapping on the series. Leave or stop trying to stir up shit.

We're never given Goku's perspective on things.

This doesn't sound like an idea you thought up, and besides, it's just not true. Goku wanted to get better than Vegeta, but when he did, it was no longer a preoccupation of his.

[TheGmGoken]

Why not? Like Twilight, the Cyborg saga represents everything you should not do in order to make a good story.

That's your opinion. I know some "hardcore" or "intelligent" DBZ fans who's favorite arc is Cyborg-Cell Arc. It's your opinion. Cell Arc to me was a good change of pace. We had 6 great arc(s) in a row. I think Cell arc is a great pace change to cool the fans down. Then Boo Arc brings them back up again with one final epic-ness. So Cyborg-CellArc does make a GREAT story. Just in a different way.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Do we really have to do the whole 'let's shit on another series' thing to bring up gripes about DBZ too? Can we not be more mature than taking potshots at Twilight or MLP or what have you? Geez.

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Do we really have to do the whole 'let's shit on another series' thing to bring up gripes about DBZ too? Can we not be more mature than taking potshots at Twilight or MLP or what have you? Geez.

Thank you. Instead of tearing stuff down, can we talk about stuff we enjoy? Criticisms are fine, but one has to wonder if all you do is criticize a show that you take the time to discuss on a fan forum if you are a fan at all.

[thatdbzguy]

It's far better written, a good villain (I know not everyone agrees, but I stick by it), and actually interesting characters. Even the dialog is better.

It's no better written [plot holes, OOC-ness, Mary Sues], Cell is actually a worse villain than any of the Twilight villains because they actually have motivation, and all of the characters introduced in the Cyborg arc were some of the most bland things Toriyama ever came up with.

The dialogue isn't fantastic in either series.

That's your opinion. I know some "hardcore" or "intelligent" DBZ fans who's favorite arc is Cyborg-Cell Arc. It's your opinion. Cell Arc to me was a good change of pace. We had 6 great arc(s) in a row. I think Cell arc is a great pace change to cool the fans down. Then Boo Arc brings them back up again with one final epic-ness. So Cyborg-CellArc does make a GREAT story. Just in a different way.

So the Cyborg arc makes a great story because it's a terrible story compared to previous arcs, and that just serves as an excuse for fans to "cool down"?

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It's far better written, a good villain (I know not everyone agrees, but I stick by it), and actually interesting characters. Even the dialog is better.

It's no better written [plot holes, OOC-ness, Mary Sues], Cell is actually a worse villain than any of the Twilight villains because they actually have motivation, and all of the characters introduced in the Cyborg arc were some of the most bland things Toriyama ever came up with.

The dialogue isn't fantastic in either series.

There's plenty of memorable lines in DBZ. Cell has a motivation, simple, but still a motivation. Have you read Twilight or seen the films? I've had people tell me the stories, and that put me off ever wanting to see or read them. Who's the Mary Sue?

A robot that likes nature is hardly bland, and Trunks is a great character.

I'm begging you to say one good thing about the show, and no back handed compliments are allowed.