"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Nejishiki]

Well I just realized what all the discussion is about. So I wonder why Beerus is the one that kills Zamasu and not Goku or Vegeta? His getting involved seems to be even more interesting because who knows maybe it could mean a fight between Black and Beerus? Got a couple good episodes coming up and the length of the arc is great. Things are really starting to turn around for Super.

Gods involve themselves in godly affairs, wouldn't you agree? I can't see the Saiyans tasking that responsibility upon themselves. Beerus wanted to kill Zamasu before their trip. His alternate future crime would only make Beerus angrier.

The spoilers don't bother me. They only serve to excite me for the future! I'm really looking forward to the confrontations we'll witness. It should make for a fun time.

[dbzfan7]

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That is not how the timelines work. Killing Zamasu in the present does absolutely nothing for the future. We've known that since Multi-verse time travel was explained.

I think the implication is that the Zamasu in Trunks's timeline is the same one from ours, so the idea is to kill him before he goes to Trunks's timeline in the first place.

What possible reason would he go to Trunks timeline instead of just the future? It seems to me the implication is they entirely forgot how multi-verse theory worked. But the episode isn't due out for sometime so perhaps there's more to it.

[ArchedThunder]

Why is Trunks going to check? He doesn't remembranza that what happens in this timeline won't affect his timeline or what? Well, I really doubt Zamasu will be dead, he is inmortal. What I think is that Trunks will find out Black and Zamasu are still alive, Trunks will escape (maybe with Mai) and Black with Zamasu are following him to the present, and it will be a total chaos, or I hope so.

Because his time machine is what caused the split timelines, while we know that traveling to the future with a time ring doesn't split the timeline. So assuming that the Zamasu from this timeline went to Trunks's timeline at some point then killing him in this timeline before that happens should stop his meddling in the future from ever happening.
Also Zamasu should already be immortal at that point, so Beerus will probably think he kills him and then when they leave he'll get back up or regenerate.

What possible reason would he go to Trunks timeline instead of just the future? It seems to me the implication is they entirely forgot how multi-verse theory worked. But the episode isn't due out for sometime so perhaps there's more to it.

Who knows, we'll have to wait and see. But again, time ring time travel is completely different from time machine travel, so you can't think of it with the same rules.

[Anime Kitten]

Bye Gowasu, it was nice knowing you. Bye Zamasu, it was great knowing you. Maybe Beerus will get some kind of spotlight this time, like a fight against Black or Future Zamasu. Speaking of which, Present Zamasu getting destroyed by Beerus doesn't sound like we'll get a fight, does it?

[Doctor.]

The implication is really clear to me.

They think that present and future Zamasu are the same person. He's just skipping through time thanks to the Time Ring. So, if they kill the present Zamasu, the "future" one won't be in the future, because he's right there, dead, in front of them, thanks to Beerus.

What we'll likely find out, and what's probably the main plot twist this arc, is that Future Zamasu is actually that timeline's Zamasu and he got mad at Goku and mortals for some completely different reason, it won't be a time paradox like we've been lead to believe.

Normally I'd say that's far too complicated and intelligent for Dragon Ball to do, but they've surprised me this arc so far, so it's a possibility.

[ekrolo2]

The implication is really clear to me.

They think that present and future Zamasu are the same person. He's just skipping through time thanks to the Time Ring. So, if they kill the present Zamasu, the "future" one won't be in the future, because he's right there, dead, in front of them, thanks to Beerus.

What we'll likely find out, and what's probably the main plot twist this arc, is that Future Zamasu is actually that timeline's Zamasu and he got mad at Goku and mortals for some completely different reason, it won't be a time paradox like we've been lead to believe.

Normally I'd say that's far too complicated and intelligent for Dragon Ball to do, but they've surprised me this arc so far, so it's a possibility.

I assume they think the Zamasu in Trunks' timeline is merely a future version of the main timeline Zamasu then? If that was the case, then him killing present Zamasu should create a time paradox where Black never comes to be and then-

Fuck this. Whoever thought combining time travel with the multiverse and doing both needs to get tossed into a volcano.

[ArchedThunder]

I hope we see a small fight between Zamasu and Gowasu, and a small "scuffle" between Beerus and Zamasu in these episodes.

[Sodhi]

I wonder when will the zeno button thing plays out. I am sure that was for a reason.

[Kishido]

And no discussion will be complete without Gohan complaining.

And why would Gohan asked because as far as we know, he isn't on screen. This is like saying why Piccolo isn't around, and he knows crap is happening.

Cuz it is justified... And not because of power levels but because of character potrayal

And Piccolo knows crap is going down and went home. Therefore making him worse than Gohan who has no clue what is happening.

And that makes things better? So you say because one is crap the other should be as well?

[THEGOKU]

Well I just realized what all the discussion is about. So I wonder why Beerus is the one that kills Zamasu and not Goku or Vegeta? His getting involved seems to be even more interesting because who knows maybe it could mean a fight between Black and Beerus? Got a couple good episodes coming up and the length of the arc is great. Things are really starting to turn around for Super.

Gods involve themselves in godly affairs, wouldn't you agree? I can't see the Saiyans tasking that responsibility upon themselves. Beerus wanted to kill Zamasu before their trip. His alternate future crime would only make Beerus angrier.

The spoilers don't bother me. They only serve to excite me for the future! I'm really looking forward to the confrontations we'll witness. It should make for a fun time.

It would make sense from that stand point so you are right. It will probably be more too that he had already wanted to kill him before and he wasn't allowed to. I just hope during that point in the episode that Zamasu can put up a halfway decent fight and not just get slaughtered from the start.

[dbzfan7]

What possible reason would he go to Trunks timeline instead of just the future? It seems to me the implication is they entirely forgot how multi-verse theory worked. But the episode isn't due out for sometime so perhaps there's more to it.

Who knows, we'll have to wait and see. But again, time ring time travel is completely different from time machine travel, so you can't think of it with the same rules.

Time ring travel doesn't automatically link the present with an alternate future. It also doesn't suddenly make it possible for past events to effect a future of a different timeline. That makes no sense. They can only affect their own future, not Trunks.

The theory of they think present Zamasu is really future one is really the closest to making any sense.

[ArchedThunder]

Time ring travel doesn't automatically link the present with an alternate future. It also doesn't suddenly make it possible for past events to effect a future of a different timeline. That makes no sense. They can only affect their own future, not Trunks.

The theory of they think present Zamasu is really future one is really the closest to making any sense.

Did you forget that they explained that the green time rings are for alternate futures?
If Zamasu used a green time ring to go to Trunks's future then the idea that killing him before he does that should stop it from happening makes sense.
We're dealing with two completely different time travel mechanics here, we already know that the time rings don't create alternate timelines by being used.

[Anime Kitten]

I wonder when will the zeno button thing plays out. I am sure that was for a reason.

My guess is he'll get summoned in front of Future Zamasu and, instead of killing him, he'll banish him from the Omniverse.

[Doctor.]

I think all that Zen-chan will do is fix up Trunks' world once the arc ends, maaaaybe revive future Bulma too. That's about it, in my opinion.

[sailorspazz]

I've slept on it, and my mind is still boggled! But right now, what seems most logical is that Beerus believes he kills Zamasu, thus fixing everything since it would theoretically prevent him from going to the future...but the fact that Zamasu's already there means that he did get the opportunity to go, so he must have survived and managed to regenerate himself. You'd think Gokuu would've mentioned oh, by the way, he's immortal, so you better use some special method to kill him and make goddamn sure it worked, but maybe Zamasu's wish for immortality included some feature that made him truly unkillable, thus he was able to trick them into thinking he died. Because, really, if the Zamasu in the future is the same one from our timeline, none of this makes sense unless he survives: the same circumstances that pushed him closer to the edge of the dark side (Gokuu visiting and disrespectfully insisting they spar) lead to him supposedly being stopped by Beerus just a few days later. If there's no possible situation in which he both turned to the dark side and had an opportunity to travel to the future, then there's no way he could be in the future if he was never able to go. Therefore, he has to survive for this to work! I don't know if I'm making any sense! And now I'm using lot of exclamation points! But yeah, for now I'm gonna assume Beerus fails to kill him.

On the other hand, if he is truly dead and the future Zamasu is actually the one from the future timeline, they'll have to explain to us why he has a grudge against Gokuu. Maybe after-life Gokuu from that timeline was also a pushy guy who found a way to come challenge him, thus setting off a similar chain of events? That would actually be funny, like, goddammit Gokuu, stop pushing Zamasu's buttons in every timeline!

[Nejishiki]

ArchedThunder, not that I disagree with you as I share the same thoughts, but when did they officially explain the green Time Rings were for alternate futures? Again, that's the likely explanation and I subscribe to it, but my memory is failing for when the characters referred to its use as such.

[TheMikado]

Time ring travel doesn't automatically link the present with an alternate future. It also doesn't suddenly make it possible for past events to effect a future of a different timeline. That makes no sense. They can only affect their own future, not Trunks.

The theory of they think present Zamasu is really future one is really the closest to making any sense.

Did you forget that they explained that the green time rings are for alternate futures?
If Zamasu used a green time ring to go to Trunks's future then the idea that killing him before he does that should stop it from happening makes sense.
We're dealing with two completely different time travel mechanics here, we already know that the time rings don't create alternate timelines by being used.

I guess I'm not sure why he would want to do that in the first place in Trunks timeline and specifically to universe 7. It bad enough something someone does in regards to time travel creates seperate time rings in another universe altogether, plus shouldn't there be multiple ones for cell time traveling. Come to thing of it should there be multiple ones in Universe 7 that Kaioshin has as well?

[dbzfan7]

Time ring travel doesn't automatically link the present with an alternate future. It also doesn't suddenly make it possible for past events to effect a future of a different timeline. That makes no sense. They can only affect their own future, not Trunks.

The theory of they think present Zamasu is really future one is really the closest to making any sense.

Did you forget that they explained that the green time rings are for alternate futures?
If Zamasu used a green time ring to go to Trunks's future then the idea that killing him before he does that should stop it from happening makes sense.
We're dealing with two completely different time travel mechanics here, we already know that the time rings don't create alternate timelines by being used.

Neither Zamasu or Black are shown wearing a green time ring. They had a silver ring. Again if they were that, it literally falls right into the Future Zamasu and Present Zamasu are the exact same person as he's shown in the present and Future. Then there's the whole magically being ridiculously stronger so without them being different, Present Zamasu somehow improves in barely any time at all. Then there's the whole no point of fucking around with a future alternate time for no reason over his own timeline. The one in the future won't magically fade away as we've already had this discussion with the cyborgs. Killing Zamasu here only prevents this future. It doesn't suddenly make the Future Zamasu not exist. Zamasu exists in Trunks timeline no matter what. He lives in the same world.

[ArchedThunder]

ArchedThunder, not that I disagree with you as I share the same thoughts, but when did they officially explain the green Time Rings were for alternate futures? Again, that's the likely explanation and I subscribe to it, but my memory is failing for when the characters referred to its use as such.

When Gowasu was explaining what the time rings were he said the top row (green ones) are created when someone makes a split timeline.

Neither Zamasu or Black are shown wearing a green time ring. They had a silver ring. Again if they were that, it literally falls right into the Future Zamasu and Present Zamasu are the exact same person as he's shown in the present and Future. Then there's the whole magically being ridiculously stronger so without them being different, Present Zamasu somehow improves in barely any time at all. Then there's the whole no point of fucking around with a future alternate time for no reason over his own timeline.

Black is the only one shown wearing a silver time ring, we having seen Zamasu in the future wearing one at all yet.
As for Zamasu's strength in the future we don't know how much time has passed for him, it could have been years.
As for why he's in Trunks's timeline, who knows, just because we don't have an explanation yet doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

The one in the future won't magically fade away as we've already had this discussion with the cyborgs. Killing Zamasu here only prevents this future. It doesn't suddenly make the Future Zamasu not exist. Zamasu exists in Trunks timeline no matter what. He lives in the same world.

I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding this, the time rings DO NOT function the same as Trunks's time machine. Trunks traveling back to his own past creates a new timeline, but traveling to the future with the time rings does NOT create a new timeline. Killing Zamasu before he time travels would in theory stop everything from happening.

[Doctor.]

Do you think Zamasu will kill Gowasu twice? Because killing him once should only mean that he pops straight up with a halo in his head.