The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Desassina]

Buff Buu runs a gauntlet! He gets healed with every battle, and he's not allowed to absorb whom he is going to fight next. In this case, it's Gotenks that can't be absorbed.

1. SSJ3 Gotenks
2. Piccolo Buu
3. Ultimate Gohan
4. Gotenks Buu

- South Kaioshin Boo beats Gotenks and and Piccolo Boo, but loses to Gohan and Gotenks Boo.

I know that Buff Buu may not appear to be that smart, specially when he absorbed Dai Kaioshin, but if he's stronger than Piccolo Buu, who absorbed Gohan, then why couldn't he do the same? I don't disagree with your choices, but I'm curious.

[DanielSSJ]

Buff Buu runs a gauntlet! He gets healed with every battle, and he's not allowed to absorb whom he is going to fight next. In this case, it's Gotenks that can't be absorbed.

1. SSJ3 Gotenks
2. Piccolo Buu
3. Ultimate Gohan
4. Gotenks Buu

- South Kaioshin Boo beats Gotenks and and Piccolo Boo, but loses to Gohan and Gotenks Boo.

I know that Buff Buu may not appear to be that smart, specially when he absorbed Dai Kaioshin, but if he's stronger than Piccolo Buu, who absorbed Gohan, then why couldn't he do the same? I don't disagree with your choices, but I'm curious.

I wasn't really considering Boo's absorption ability when coming up with my thoughts. Even so, South Boo probably wouldn't be able to absorb Piccolo Boo anyway. Piccolo Boo knows about the absorption ability and, thanks to Piccolo, is a lot smarter than South Boo, so I doubt he'd let himself be absorbed. Then again, what's stopping Piccolo Boo from absorbing his counterpart? New results. South Boo beats Gotenks, nearly beats Piccolo Boo before getting absorbed and never fights any of the others. Mega Boo beats everyone before Vegetto shows up and spanks him like a misbehaving child.

[Desassina]

Actually, I was thinking about South Kaioshin Boo absorbing Gohan to clear Gotenks Boo, since he would defeat Piccolo Boo on his own

[Lord Beerus]

Buuhan runs the DB Super gauntlet: (NO CANDY BEAM OR ABSORPTIONS)

- First form Freeza
- First form frost
- Botamo
- Final form freeza
- Base cabba
- Final form frost
- SS Goku (suppressed vs frost)
- SS Cabba
- SS Vegeta FP
- Whis x Vados potara merging (Candy beams and absorption allowed)

Buuhan crushes everyone that list until he hits an almighty brick wall with Whis/Vados.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Buuhan runs the DB Super gauntlet: (NO CANDY BEAM OR ABSORPTIONS)

- First form Freeza
- First form frost
- Botamo
- Final form freeza
- Base cabba
- Final form frost
- SS Goku (suppressed vs frost)
- SS Cabba
- SS Vegeta FP
- Whis x Vados potara merging (Candy beams and absorption allowed)

- I tentatively peg Final Form Freeza and Base Goku and Vegeta as being as strong as Ultimate Gohan and Gotenks Boo, respectively. With that in mind, he gets up to Base Cabba.
- If Vegetto was in no danger from Gohan Boo's candy beam or absorptions, I don't see how Whis or Vados would be.

Buff Buu runs a gauntlet! He gets healed with every battle, and he's not allowed to absorb whom he is going to fight next. In this case, it's Gotenks that can't be absorbed.

1. SSJ3 Gotenks
2. Piccolo Buu
3. Ultimate Gohan
4. Gotenks Buu

- South Kaioshin Boo beats Gotenks and and Piccolo Boo, but loses to Gohan and Gotenks Boo.

That would be below frieza saga gohan who when raging couldn't go ssj for lack of power. You have to be goku's level when he fought frieza minimum to go ssj.

There is a minimum power level you need to go Super Saiyan, but its never been established. Hell, since the half Saiyans have an easier time going Super Saiyan, maybe their minimum level is even less.

If you needed less then Goku did then the likes of Gohan during his MANY anger bursts would have.

That would be below frieza saga gohan who when raging couldn't go ssj for lack of power. You have to be goku's level when he fought frieza minimum to go ssj.

Who said that ? Trunks could've one shot Gohan if he's in the million range.Present Trunks was able to go Super Saiyan without anger.

It's pretty obvious, nobody below Goku could do it and nobody below him ever did. Trunks DID need anger. Why do you assume he didn't? We didn't see it, and goku says you need anger to do it, as we've seen each time. To go ssj you need to be

-at least frieza saga goku level or above

-be angry

-have hidden power that your anger dives into

-have saiyan biology

Gohan was past the billions, being in the millions would make him 1 shot gohan? Yeah no. then the androids wouldn't have trouble with gohan or trunks.

[Khin]

It's pretty obvious, nobody below Goku could do it and nobody below him ever did. Trunks DID need anger. Why do you assume he didn't? We didn't see it, and goku says you need anger to do it, as we've seen each time. To go ssj you need to be

-at least frieza saga goku level or above

-be angry

-have hidden power that your anger dives into

-have saiyan biology

Gohan was past the billions, being in the millions would make him 1 shot gohan? Yeah no. then the androids wouldn't have trouble with gohan or trunks.

What ? Gohan's main goal was to surpass his father's power before he died.Meaning Future Gohan should at best only around yardrat Goku's power.Super Saiyan Trunks was training with Base Gohan.There's no reason for Trunks to turn SSj if they're close in Base.The first one you mention are just your assumption.It was never confirmed anywhere that you need to be at 3,000,000 to go SSj.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

It's pretty obvious, nobody below Goku could do it and nobody below him ever did. Trunks DID need anger. Why do you assume he didn't? We didn't see it, and goku says you need anger to do it, as we've seen each time. To go ssj you need to be

-at least frieza saga goku level or above

-be angry

-have hidden power that your anger dives into

-have saiyan biology

Gohan was past the billions, being in the millions would make him 1 shot gohan? Yeah no. then the androids wouldn't have trouble with gohan or trunks.

What ? Gohan's main goal was to surpass his father's power before he died.Meaning Future Gohan should at best only around yardrat Goku's power.Super Saiyan Trunks was training with Base Gohan.There's no reason for Trunks to turn SSj if they're close in Base.The first one you mention are just your assumption.It was never confirmed anywhere that you need to be at 3,000,000 to go SSj.

That's only in the manga canon, and besides why are you saying he has to be yardrat level at best? He obviously wouldn't stop trying to go with the ...you know..killer androids running around. IDK why you're nerfing everyone, but you need frieza saga goku level MINIMUM to go ssj, nobody below that could do it when mad and diving into hidden powers or anything. To assume SSJ Future Gohan<yardrat Goku is silly. He'd beat him and trunks with 1 hand.

[Khin]

That's only in the manga canon, and besides why are you saying he has to be yardrat level at best? He obviously wouldn't stop trying to go with the ...you know..killer androids running around. IDK why you're nerfing everyone, but you need frieza saga goku level MINIMUM to go ssj, nobody below that could do it when mad and diving into hidden powers or anything. To assume SSJ Future Gohan<yardrat Goku is silly. He'd beat him and trunks with 1 hand.

Again.Where was it stated that you need to be at 3 M to become Super Saiyan ? It was very CLEAR that Base Future Gohan is leagues above Base Trunks.Base Future Gohan with One arm was sparring with SSj Trunks.

Chapter: Trunks: the Story, P2.5
Context: Trunks commented on how Gohan’s gi made Bulma think of Goku.
Future Gohan: “I made it hoping it would make me as strong as dad was before he died… But I guess it’s not that easy.”

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

That's only in the manga canon, and besides why are you saying he has to be yardrat level at best? He obviously wouldn't stop trying to go with the ...you know..killer androids running around. IDK why you're nerfing everyone, but you need frieza saga goku level MINIMUM to go ssj, nobody below that could do it when mad and diving into hidden powers or anything. To assume SSJ Future Gohan<yardrat Goku is silly. He'd beat him and trunks with 1 hand.

Again.Where was it stated that you need to be at 3 M to become Super Saiyan ? It was very CLEAR that Base Future Gohan is leagues above Base Trunks.Base Future Gohan with One arm was sparring with SSj Trunks.

Chapter: Trunks: the Story, P2.5
Context: Trunks commented on how Gohan’s gi made Bulma think of Goku.
Future Gohan: “I made it hoping it would make me as strong as dad was before he died… But I guess it’s not that easy.”

He said he wanted to be as strong, which is rather vague. He has a high respect for Goku and can't really go ands say "I'm stronger then him" even if he means power levels. In his mind Goku>>>the androids because he thinks his dad can do anything.

[Khin]

He said he wanted to be as strong, which is rather vague. He has a high respect for Goku and can't really go ands say "I'm stronger then him" even if he means power levels.In his mind Goku>>>the androids because he thinks his dad can do anything.

The line heavily implies that Gohan still hasn't surpassed his father at that point.And the Android turned out to be stronger than Gohan expected,he even believed he can win against them.

Chapter: Trunks: the Story, P9.4-5, P10.1
Context: It’s worth noting that Trunks doesn’t hear this conversation and is unconscious, so he doesn’t sense the fight.
No.17: “Anyway, it’s been a long time, Son Gohan…It’s been about 1 year, right? I’m surprised you managed to survive after taking a beating like that…”
Future Gohan: “This time I’ve trained so that I wouldn’t get beaten. It’s your turn to lose now!”
No.17: “Our turn? …Heh heh heh… Sorry to disappoint…but I didn’t even use half my power when we fought before.”

Androids [Gohan's assumption] < SSJ One Armed Gohan < Yardrat Goku.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

He said he wanted to be as strong, which is rather vague. He has a high respect for Goku and can't really go ands say "I'm stronger then him" even if he means power levels.In his mind Goku>>>the androids because he thinks his dad can do anything.

The line heavily implies that Gohan still hasn't surpassed his father at that point.And the Android turned out to be stronger than Gohan expected,he even believed he can win against them.

Chapter: Trunks: the Story, P9.4-5, P10.1
Context: It’s worth noting that Trunks doesn’t hear this conversation and is unconscious, so he doesn’t sense the fight.
No.17: “Anyway, it’s been a long time, Son Gohan…It’s been about 1 year, right? I’m surprised you managed to survive after taking a beating like that…”
Future Gohan: “This time I’ve trained so that I wouldn’t get beaten. It’s your turn to lose now!”
No.17: “Our turn? …Heh heh heh… Sorry to disappoint…but I didn’t even use half my power when we fought before.”

Androids [Gohan's assumption] < SSJ One Armed Gohan < Yardrat Goku.

Lines mean nothing in dragonball or else super buu>Goku in the buu saga XD

[Khin]

Lines mean nothing in dragonball or else super buu>Goku in the buu saga XD

Lol Super Buu is indeed >> SSJ3 Goku.

[RandomGuy96]

He said he wanted to be as strong, which is rather vague. He has a high respect for Goku and can't really go ands say "I'm stronger then him" even if he means power levels.In his mind Goku>>>the androids because he thinks his dad can do anything.

The line heavily implies that Gohan still hasn't surpassed his father at that point.And the Android turned out to be stronger than Gohan expected,he even believed he can win against them.

Chapter: Trunks: the Story, P9.4-5, P10.1
Context: It’s worth noting that Trunks doesn’t hear this conversation and is unconscious, so he doesn’t sense the fight.
No.17: “Anyway, it’s been a long time, Son Gohan…It’s been about 1 year, right? I’m surprised you managed to survive after taking a beating like that…”
Future Gohan: “This time I’ve trained so that I wouldn’t get beaten. It’s your turn to lose now!”
No.17: “Our turn? …Heh heh heh… Sorry to disappoint…but I didn’t even use half my power when we fought before.”

Androids [Gohan's assumption] < SSJ One Armed Gohan < Yardrat Goku.

Lines mean nothing in dragonball or else super buu>Goku in the buu saga XD

Oh jesus not this shit again.

[Khin]

Jaco [DB Minus and ROF Arc] runs the gaunlet individually.He gets healed after each fight.

• Goku [BODB]
• Goku [21st Budokai]
• Goku [RR Army Arc]
• Goku [22nd Budokai]
• Goku [Post Super God Water]
• Goku [23rd Budokai]
• Goku [BOZ]
• Raditz

[DanielSSJ]

Jaco [DB Minus and ROF Arc] runs the gaunlet individually.He gets healed after each fight.

• Goku [BODB]
• Goku [21st Budokai]
• Goku [RR Army Arc]
• Goku [22nd Budokai]
• Goku [Post Super God Water]
• Goku [23rd Budokai]
• Goku [BOZ]
• Raditz

I peg Jaco as being about as strong as 18-year-old Goku, but much less skilled, so he stops at the 23rd Budokai. Jaco from Res. F beats 23-year-old Goku but falls to Raditz.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Lines mean nothing in dragonball or else super buu>Goku in the buu saga XD

Lol Super Buu is indeed >> SSJ3 Goku.

Base Goku>>Super buu base.


SSJ3 Gotenks And Piccolo VS Gohan (mystic) and Dabura

Meta Cooler (All 10 billion) vs Buuhan

Tien and Chiatzu, Gohan vs Dr Gero

[Lord Beerus]

Jaco [DB Minus and ROF Arc] runs the gaunlet individually.He gets healed after each fight.

• Goku [BODB]
• Goku [21st Budokai]
• Goku [RR Army Arc]
• Goku [22nd Budokai]
• Goku [Post Super God Water]
• Goku [23rd Budokai]
• Goku [BOZ]
• Raditz

Jaco clears. I have him somewhere between stronger than Raditz but weaker than Nappa.

[ZombieVito]

Jaco [DB Minus and ROF Arc] runs the gaunlet individually.He gets healed after each fight.

• Goku [BODB]
• Goku [21st Budokai]
• Goku [RR Army Arc]
• Goku [22nd Budokai]
• Goku [Post Super God Water]
• Goku [23rd Budokai]
• Goku [BOZ]
• Raditz

I have him at 500 so he stops at 23th TB Goku since the difference isn't that big for Goku to win with a Super Kamehameha.

[Khin]

Base Goku>>Super buu base

Are you kidding ? Base Goku is weaker than Freeza even in BOG.

Minute: 6
Context: After Beerus has inspected Goku (in his regular, non-Super Saiyan state), and mentioned Goku having defeated Freeza
Beerus: “You don’t look like you’d possibly be able to beat him as you are now, but you’re one of those transforming Saiyans, right? You can turn into that Super Saiyan thing.”

SSJ3 Goku <<<< Super Buu.

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P13.1
Context: still talking about how they’re no match for Boo
Goku: “…But there is one way we can win!”
Vegeta:“You want to say Fusion, right? Well who cares about that?!”
Goku: “Huh? You know about it?”

Goku only said that they have a chance once Super Buu turned into Kid Buu.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Base Goku>>Super buu base

Are you kidding ? Base Goku is weaker than Freeza even in BOG.

Minute: 6
Context: After Beerus has inspected Goku (in his regular, non-Super Saiyan state), and mentioned Goku having defeated Freeza
Beerus: “You don’t look like you’d possibly be able to beat him as you are now, but you’re one of those transforming Saiyans, right? You can turn into that Super Saiyan thing.”

SSJ3 Goku <<<< Super Buu.

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P13.1
Context: still talking about how they’re no match for Boo
Goku: “…But there is one way we can win!”
Vegeta:“You want to say Fusion, right? Well who cares about that?!”
Goku: “Huh? You know about it?”

Goku only said that they have a chance once Super Buu turned into Kid Buu.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”

feats>quotes. Or else frieza and buuhan are the strongest in the universe and goku and vegito would have lost.

vegito=goku+vegeta

buuhan=super buucolo+gohan

vegito>>buuhan

gohan<goku

buucollo<vegeta