"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ArchedThunder]

Goku is dead in this timeline and he has no competition. Beerus is dead and no one will stop him. Also he already killed something without giving two shits. I highly doubt he has any care about killing. Zamasu also ISN'T a Kaioshin. He's a Kaioshin in training. He never became a full Kaioshin. He has absolutely no reason to power up at all with nothing in his way.

If it's the same Zamasu he would be getting stronger to fight the Goku from the regular timeline, not the future timeline one.
Black seems to be doing Zamasu's dirty work, Zamasu might be treating himself as a Kaioshin now that he's killed Gowasu.

[TheMikado]

Goku is dead in this timeline and he has no competition. Beerus is dead and no one will stop him. Also he already killed something without giving two shits. I highly doubt he has any care about killing. Zamasu also ISN'T a Kaioshin. He's a Kaioshin in training. He never became a full Kaioshin. He has absolutely no reason to power up at all with nothing in his way.

Future Zamasu from Trunks time line shouldn't even know Goku exists.

We're discussing based on the theory that they're the same Zamasu. There will always be a Zamasu in Trunks timline. There could be two Zamasu in Trunks timeline. One who came from the past, and one who already existed.

So then if that's the case Beerus will have killed the Zamasu that threatens the future and the only one left to deal with would be Black? Seems anticlimactic.

[jjgp1112]

dbzfan7, it seems you're forgetting that the Zamasu that shows up in the future already knows who Goku is and desires to kill him.

[ArchedThunder]

So then if that's the case Beerus will have killed the Zamasu that threatens the future and the only one left to deal with would be Black? Seems anticlimactic.

Zamasu is immortal, Beerus probably thinks he kills Zamasu but he doesn't.

[dbzfan7]

Goku is dead in this timeline and he has no competition. Beerus is dead and no one will stop him. Also he already killed something without giving two shits. I highly doubt he has any care about killing. Zamasu also ISN'T a Kaioshin. He's a Kaioshin in training. He never became a full Kaioshin. He has absolutely no reason to power up at all with nothing in his way.

If it's the same Zamasu he would be getting stronger to fight the Goku from the regular timeline, not the future timeline one.
Black seems to be doing Zamasu's dirty work, Zamasu might be treating himself as a Kaioshin now that he's killed Gowasu.

How would he have any knowledge that he'd even come. If he even did, then Black would have been aware of the time machine, and Trunks wouldn't have gotten away with a ton of what he has gotten away with. Black acts like he's never heard of or knew of the time machine. So how would Zamasu be preparing to fight Goku, when he has no idea how he'd get there. Black also then destroyed the time machine, which goes completely against wanting to kill the Goku of the past if that was the angle.

dbzfan7, it seems you're forgetting that the Zamasu that shows up in the future already knows who Goku is and desires to kill him.

We have no idea how he knows that, and his desire to kill him doesn't make much sense when they had no idea of the time machine. Did he expect Goku to just magically show up? Black didn't know nothing of the time machine til Trunks said it was a time machine, and then promptly destroyed the time machine. If the whole plan was to kill Goku, then Black fucked up by stranding Trunks.

[alakazam^]

So the assumption is that because Future Zamasu went to the future with a time ring, him dying in any timeline affects all of them?

Not future Zamasu but the present one. I think the in-universe reasoning might be that killing Zamasu would make him disappear in the future since he wouldn't have gone there yet.

The reason why this doesn't contradict Trunks' travels is because he travelled to the past and created parallel worlds, whereas Zamasu would have travelled to the future and that in itself does not split a timeline because none of that stuff has happened yet. Since Trunks' world is a parallel one, this also doesn't fall into the "Grandfather Paradox".

I think Trunks' uneasiness might go something like this:

Beers: "There, he's dead, problem solved. Let's eat!"
Trunks: "Yeah... I guess... Beers-sama probably knows what he's talking about... even so..."

[buutenks]

Where is the plot summary for ep 58?

[jjgp1112]

Goku is dead in this timeline and he has no competition. Beerus is dead and no one will stop him. Also he already killed something without giving two shits. I highly doubt he has any care about killing. Zamasu also ISN'T a Kaioshin. He's a Kaioshin in training. He never became a full Kaioshin. He has absolutely no reason to power up at all with nothing in his way.

If it's the same Zamasu he would be getting stronger to fight the Goku from the regular timeline, not the future timeline one.
Black seems to be doing Zamasu's dirty work, Zamasu might be treating himself as a Kaioshin now that he's killed Gowasu.

How would he have any knowledge that he'd even come. If he even did, then Black would have been aware of the time machine, and Trunks wouldn't have gotten away with a ton of what he has gotten away with. Black acts like he's never heard of or knew of the time machine. So how would Zamasu be preparing to fight Goku, when he has no idea how he'd get there. Black also then destroyed the time machine, which goes completely against wanting to kill the Goku of the past if that was the angle.

dbzfan7, it seems you're forgetting that the Zamasu that shows up in the future already knows who Goku is and desires to kill him.

We have no idea how he knows that, and his desire to kill him doesn't make much sense when they had no idea of the time machine. Did he expect Goku to just magically show up? Black didn't know nothing of the time machine til Trunks said it was a time machine, and then promptly destroyed the time machine. If the whole plan was to kill Goku, then Black fucked up by stranding Trunks.

It seems pretty clear with the story that they're telling that they're trying to specifically explain how Zamasu got evil, not just "Oh yeah, and the Zamasu in the Future timeline ALSO hates Goku for undisclosed reasons that have nothing to do with what we've been building up."

[ArchedThunder]

Goku is dead in this timeline and he has no competition. Beerus is dead and no one will stop him. Also he already killed something without giving two shits. I highly doubt he has any care about killing. Zamasu also ISN'T a Kaioshin. He's a Kaioshin in training. He never became a full Kaioshin. He has absolutely no reason to power up at all with nothing in his way.

If it's the same Zamasu he would be getting stronger to fight the Goku from the regular timeline, not the future timeline one.
Black seems to be doing Zamasu's dirty work, Zamasu might be treating himself as a Kaioshin now that he's killed Gowasu.

How would he have any knowledge that he'd even come. If he even did, then Black would have been aware of the time machine, and Trunks wouldn't have gotten away with a ton of what he has gotten away with. Black acts like he's never heard of or knew of the time machine. So how would Zamasu be preparing to fight Goku, when he has no idea how he'd get there. Black also then destroyed the time machine, which goes completely against wanting to kill the Goku of the past if that was the angle.

dbzfan7, it seems you're forgetting that the Zamasu that shows up in the future already knows who Goku is and desires to kill him.

We have no idea how he knows that, and his desire to kill him doesn't make much sense when they had no idea of the time machine. Did he expect Goku to just magically show up? Black didn't know nothing of the time machine til Trunks said it was a time machine, and then promptly destroyed the time machine. If the whole plan was to kill Goku, then Black fucked up by stranding Trunks.

Again, we don't know, but this arc is a mystery. All we know is that they seem to be implying that the Zamasu in the future is from this timeline and we are seeing what leads him to that. We don't have all of the pieces because it is a mystery.

[jjgp1112]

^Exactly. All we have right now are very brief summaries. Don't just be prepared to hate something and jump to whatever conclusions are necessary to justify it.

[dbzfan7]

If it's the same Zamasu he would be getting stronger to fight the Goku from the regular timeline, not the future timeline one.
Black seems to be doing Zamasu's dirty work, Zamasu might be treating himself as a Kaioshin now that he's killed Gowasu.

How would he have any knowledge that he'd even come. If he even did, then Black would have been aware of the time machine, and Trunks wouldn't have gotten away with a ton of what he has gotten away with. Black acts like he's never heard of or knew of the time machine. So how would Zamasu be preparing to fight Goku, when he has no idea how he'd get there. Black also then destroyed the time machine, which goes completely against wanting to kill the Goku of the past if that was the angle.

dbzfan7, it seems you're forgetting that the Zamasu that shows up in the future already knows who Goku is and desires to kill him.

We have no idea how he knows that, and his desire to kill him doesn't make much sense when they had no idea of the time machine. Did he expect Goku to just magically show up? Black didn't know nothing of the time machine til Trunks said it was a time machine, and then promptly destroyed the time machine. If the whole plan was to kill Goku, then Black fucked up by stranding Trunks.

It seems pretty clear with the story that they're telling that they're trying to specifically explain how Zamasu got evil, not just "Oh yeah, and the Zamasu in the Future timeline ALSO hates Goku for undisclosed reasons that have nothing to do with what we've been building up."

I understand that. But as said that would mean there's still a U10 Zamasu in Trunks time either way, and I don't think they're saying nothing happened to him. I understand the idea that they're one in the same. Then you get time travel paradoxes.

My theory is he went to the future to avoid Goku and bolster himself up there. Though he'd return to the past one day. Cause if he's expecting to fight Goku in the future, that means he and Black would have been well aware of the time machine. That's a whole other load of problems then beyond just a paradox.

If it's the same Zamasu he would be getting stronger to fight the Goku from the regular timeline, not the future timeline one.
Black seems to be doing Zamasu's dirty work, Zamasu might be treating himself as a Kaioshin now that he's killed Gowasu.

How would he have any knowledge that he'd even come. If he even did, then Black would have been aware of the time machine, and Trunks wouldn't have gotten away with a ton of what he has gotten away with. Black acts like he's never heard of or knew of the time machine. So how would Zamasu be preparing to fight Goku, when he has no idea how he'd get there. Black also then destroyed the time machine, which goes completely against wanting to kill the Goku of the past if that was the angle.

dbzfan7, it seems you're forgetting that the Zamasu that shows up in the future already knows who Goku is and desires to kill him.

We have no idea how he knows that, and his desire to kill him doesn't make much sense when they had no idea of the time machine. Did he expect Goku to just magically show up? Black didn't know nothing of the time machine til Trunks said it was a time machine, and then promptly destroyed the time machine. If the whole plan was to kill Goku, then Black fucked up by stranding Trunks.

Again, we don't know, but this arc is a mystery. All we know is that they seem to be implying that the Zamasu in the future is from this timeline and we are seeing what leads him to that. We don't have all of the pieces because it is a mystery.

We do know he wants to kill Goku. Which seems to imply they're the same Zamasu. But Black literally fucks it all up by destroying the time machine, which is completely counter productive to what he and Zamasu were after in the first place then.

I do have the theory the whole point of going to the future, was to avoid Goku and Beerus til he was ready. That's why I believe he powered up. But that does not at all fix the paradoxes, or Black being entirely counter productive.

What kind of answer is it makes sense, but then oh it doesn't really make sense yet cause we don't know. You pick one or the other. It either doesn't make sense yet but might later, or it makes sense now and take off from there on the conversation. My argument is it doesn't make sense right now, not that it doesn't make sense for good. It doesn't make sense right now, but it can later. I don't rule that out.

[TheMikado]

Question, if everytime Trunks uses the time machine it splits the time stream, shouldn't there be 4 or 5 different streams with the same number of Zamasus by now?

[PMD]

Guys, could this be a SSJ Blue 2?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I can't tell.

[HeroR]

And that makes things better? So you say because one is crap the other should be as well?

No, I'm saying you're getting on Gohan for not being on scene and doing stuff, despite not knowing what is going, yet you give Piccolo a free pass when he knows perfectly well what is happening.

[dbzfan7]

Guys, could this be a SSJ Blue 2?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I can't tell.

He has SSJ2 hair, but it might just be a powering up thing they're portraying. I won't jump to conclusions here just yet.

[PMD]

Guys, could this be a SSJ Blue 2?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I can't tell.

He has SSJ2 hair, but it might just be a powering up thing they're portraying. I won't jump to conclusions here just yet.

I won't either, but it's from DB Heroes... made me think.

[Anime Kitten]

Guys, could this be a SSJ Blue 2?
[spoiler][/spoiler]
I can't tell.

No. It's just the way they drew his hair on the artwork for the SSJB Kaioken card.

[dbzfan7]

Guys, could this be a SSJ Blue 2?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I can't tell.

He has SSJ2 hair, but it might just be a powering up thing they're portraying. I won't jump to conclusions here just yet.

I won't either, but is from DB Heroes... made me think.

I think I might have saw that image on a Kaio-Ken Blue Goku card. I'd have to double check.

[ArchedThunder]

Question, if everytime Trunks uses the time machine it splits the time stream, shouldn't there be 4 or 5 different streams with the same number of Zamasus by now?

After Trunks traveled the first time he split the timeline, so now when he goes back and forth he's just traveling between timelines, so no splits are happening. The split happened because he did something that would change his future.

[PMD]

He has SSJ2 hair, but it might just be a powering up thing they're portraying. I won't jump to conclusions here just yet.

I won't either, but is from DB Heroes... made me think.

I think I might have saw that image on a Kaio-Ken Blue Goku card. I'd have to double check.

You mean this one?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I think you're correct. Forget about it.