Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Helios518]

1) That's called a hyperbole

Then so was Shin's statement that Jiren is 'beyond anyone they've ever battled before'.

How you can claim this with certainty is beyond me.

So it travelled to an alternate timeline but it couldn't reach the Moon, ok.

1) No, because that isn't exaggerating anything, even Vegeta when he fight Geran states this.

2) How you could claim that he merged anything past Earth, when nothing has been shown. That's like me saying UI Goku is confirmed to be stronger than GoDs, so I can claim that UI Goku is stronger than Zeno.

3) Temporal travel is different than Spatial travel unless you seriously believe that Goku Black, Future Trunks, and Cell traveled to the Moon when traveling time.

[Miracles]

I’m guessing you missed the part where Hit did decent for his pl against 109 Geran, the part where Hit stomped base Dyspo after he countered his time-skip counter, and the fact that he couldn’t even using his killing move.

Using a mix up of his strongest time counter attacks against Base Dyspo after being saved is not a stomp. Hit wasn't even facing "Hyper-Speed Mode" Dyspo who would of stomped Hit. Pathetic.

[Helios518]

I’m guessing you missed the part where Hit did decent for his pl against 109 Geran, the part where Hit stomped base Dyspo after he countered his time-skip counter, and the fact that he couldn’t even using his killing move.

Using a mix up of his strongest time counter attacks against Base Dyspo after being saved is not a stomp. Hit wasn't even facing "Hyper-Speed Mode" Dyspo who would of stomped Hit. Pathetic.

Dyspo only gave Hit any trouble because Dyspo's inside knowledge. If Dyspo didn't have the knowledge, then Hit would've stomped him like he did in the end of the episode. And regardless if you use your best techniques or not, it's still a stomp. That's like saying Goku can't stomp in UI because he's using his best technique.

[TheSaiyanGod]

What do you think about Hitto Vs Hakaishin Toppo?

Some people say that Hitto would have chances because of his strategy, but I do not see anything being effective against Toppo. His invisible Ki spheres would be nullified by Hakai's barrier, the Time Skip would be useless to someone like Toppo, and I doubt if even the cage team would pass through Hakai's barrier.

In fact, I believe that if Toppo was hit by this technique, he would have to leave.
A heavily suppressed Jiren was able to leave, and Hakaishin Toppo is much stronger than that

Hit gets wrecked. Hit couldn't even handle Toppo's underling in BASE Dyspo.
All of a sudden he is gonna be able to stand against god Toppo let alone beat BASE Toppo?

Well, some people say Hitto is stronger than base Toppo because Jiren on EP 111, after defeating Hitto, says '' the warriors I'm needed for are already gone ''.

I do not know if I agree with that, considering that U11 was aware of Hitto and even so, Jiren left Dyspo, the third strongest, face Hitto

[Miracles]

Dyspo only gave Hit any trouble because Dyspo's inside knowledge. If Dyspo didn't have the knowledge, then Hit would've stomped him like he did in the end of the episode. And regardless if you use your best techniques or not, it's still a stomp. That's like saying Goku can't stomp in UI because he's using his best technique.

It wasn't a stomp cause Hit dang near lost. Regardless of inside knowledge, Hit couldn't stop Dyspo anyway. That's why he had to result to tricks.

[Miracles]

What do you think about Hitto Vs Hakaishin Toppo?

Some people say that Hitto would have chances because of his strategy, but I do not see anything being effective against Toppo. His invisible Ki spheres would be nullified by Hakai's barrier, the Time Skip would be useless to someone like Toppo, and I doubt if even the cage team would pass through Hakai's barrier.

In fact, I believe that if Toppo was hit by this technique, he would have to leave.
A heavily suppressed Jiren was able to leave, and Hakaishin Toppo is much stronger than that

Hit gets wrecked. Hit couldn't even handle Toppo's underling in BASE Dyspo.
All of a sudden he is gonna be able to stand against god Toppo let alone beat BASE Toppo?

Well, some people say Hitto is stronger than base Toppo because Jiren on EP 111, after defeating Hitto, says '' the warriors I'm needed for are already gone ''.

I do not know if I agree with that, considering that U11 was aware of Hitto and even so, Jiren left Dyspo, the third strongest, face Hitto

We know Hit didn't bust a grape against Jiren. Jiren stomped Hit. Base Toppo is above Blue level power Hit was getting stomped by Dyspo who was holding back.

[Helios518]

Dyspo only gave Hit any trouble because Dyspo's inside knowledge. If Dyspo didn't have the knowledge, then Hit would've stomped him like he did in the end of the episode. And regardless if you use your best techniques or not, it's still a stomp. That's like saying Goku can't stomp in UI because he's using his best technique.

It wasn't a stomp cause Hit dang near lost. Regardless of inside knowledge, Hit couldn't stop Dyspo anyway. That's why he had to result to tricks.

It's not really any different from Dyspo winning due to tricks + inside knowledge, and if a High Speed Dyspo would be able to easily defeat Hit, then Dyspo wouldn't have ran away. Despite that if you make it seem like Dyspo winning is impressive, but if the roles were reverses (Hit having the inside knowledge), then Dyspo wouldn't even have a chance.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Dyspo only gave Hit any trouble because Dyspo's inside knowledge. If Dyspo didn't have the knowledge, then Hit would've stomped him like he did in the end of the episode. And regardless if you use your best techniques or not, it's still a stomp. That's like saying Goku can't stomp in UI because he's using his best technique.

It wasn't a stomp cause Hit dang near lost. Regardless of inside knowledge, Hit couldn't stop Dyspo anyway. That's why he had to result to tricks.

It's not really any different from Dyspo winning due to tricks + inside knowledge, and if a High Speed Dyspo would be able to easily defeat Hit, then Dyspo wouldn't have ran away. Despite that if you make it seem like Dyspo winning is impressive, but if the roles were reverses (Hit having the inside knowledge), then Dyspo wouldn't even have a chance.

He tan away from freeza, despite the fact that with his max, he could have taken freeza put if it wasnt for gohan. So...


And this is more of a plot situation. They just didnt want to reveal dyspos max speed form until fought freeza. For all we know, dyspo vs hit wasnt even in the outline, they probably did it to extend the story.

[Hugo Boss]

Dyspo had the edge in the beginning because he was prepared to take on time-skip. Once Hit adapted to his fighting style, Dyspo had no chance to react. Though I would say that, at full capacity, Dyspo might be able to even things out. Toppo is arguably only stronger than SSB Goku before the tournament. His match with SSB Vegeta seemed it would take forever. By extension, despite Jiren claiming that Hit was a warrior worth his intervention, it could mean that he wouldn’t go down so easy and Toppo or Dyspo would waste a lot of stamina to beat him.

[Miracles]

Dyspo only gave Hit any trouble because Dyspo's inside knowledge. If Dyspo didn't have the knowledge, then Hit would've stomped him like he did in the end of the episode. And regardless if you use your best techniques or not, it's still a stomp. That's like saying Goku can't stomp in UI because he's using his best technique.

It wasn't a stomp cause Hit dang near lost. Regardless of inside knowledge, Hit couldn't stop Dyspo anyway. That's why he had to result to tricks.

It's not really any different from Dyspo winning due to tricks + inside knowledge, and if a High Speed Dyspo would be able to easily defeat Hit, then Dyspo wouldn't have ran away. Despite that if you make it seem like Dyspo winning is impressive, but if the roles were reverses (Hit having the inside knowledge), then Dyspo wouldn't even have a chance.

Hit couldn't stop Dyspo AT ALL in a straight up raw power battle. Hit was getting decimated. Hence why Hit had to "adapt" and resort to a trick by leading Dyspo off the edge.
Then later he had to mix up his time skip techniques to trick Dyspo. Hyper Speed Mode Dyspo would easily decimate Hit cause he is outside Hit's power level range since he couldn't even stop him in his base at all.

[Helios518]

It wasn't a stomp cause Hit dang near lost. Regardless of inside knowledge, Hit couldn't stop Dyspo anyway. That's why he had to result to tricks.

It's not really any different from Dyspo winning due to tricks + inside knowledge, and if a High Speed Dyspo would be able to easily defeat Hit, then Dyspo wouldn't have ran away. Despite that if you make it seem like Dyspo winning is impressive, but if the roles were reverses (Hit having the inside knowledge), then Dyspo wouldn't even have a chance.

Hit couldn't stop Dyspo AT ALL in a straight up raw power battle. Hit was getting decimated. Hence why Hit had to "adapt" and resort to a trick by leading Dyspo off the edge.
Then later he had to mix up his time skip techniques to trick Dyspo. Hyper Speed Mode Dyspo would easily decimate Hit cause he is outside Hit's power level range since he couldn't even stop him in his base at all.

You know this goes both ways, right? Dyspo was beating Hit, because he knew a counter to Time-Skip aka a trick. Later, Hit was beating Dyspo because he knew a counter to Dyspo's counter aka a trick.

Also it's possible that it wasn't until after Hit adapted to his style, that Hit became a match or more for HS Dyspo. This would be explain why Dyspo choosing to run away in the fight, and Geran believing that he's needed to confidently defeat Hit.

[Miracles]

It's not really any different from Dyspo winning due to tricks + inside knowledge, and if a High Speed Dyspo would be able to easily defeat Hit, then Dyspo wouldn't have ran away. Despite that if you make it seem like Dyspo winning is impressive, but if the roles were reverses (Hit having the inside knowledge), then Dyspo wouldn't even have a chance.

Hit couldn't stop Dyspo AT ALL in a straight up raw power battle. Hit was getting decimated. Hence why Hit had to "adapt" and resort to a trick by leading Dyspo off the edge.
Then later he had to mix up his time skip techniques to trick Dyspo. Hyper Speed Mode Dyspo would easily decimate Hit cause he is outside Hit's power level range since he couldn't even stop him in his base at all.

You know this goes both ways, right? Dyspo was beating Hit, because he knew a counter to Time-Skip aka a trick. Later, Hit was beating Dyspo because he knew a counter to Dyspo's counter aka a trick.

Also it's possible that it wasn't until after Hit adapted to his style, that Hit became a match or more for HS Dyspo. This would be explain why Dyspo choosing to run away in the fight, and Geran believing that he's needed to confidently defeat Hit.

Dyspo using HIS RAW power to overcome Time skip isn't a trick. It isn't the same. Hit couldn't overpower Dyspo in Base he sure as heck won't even compare to his "Hyper speed-mode."

[Helios518]

Hit couldn't stop Dyspo AT ALL in a straight up raw power battle. Hit was getting decimated. Hence why Hit had to "adapt" and resort to a trick by leading Dyspo off the edge.
Then later he had to mix up his time skip techniques to trick Dyspo. Hyper Speed Mode Dyspo would easily decimate Hit cause he is outside Hit's power level range since he couldn't even stop him in his base at all.

You know this goes both ways, right? Dyspo was beating Hit, because he knew a counter to Time-Skip aka a trick. Later, Hit was beating Dyspo because he knew a counter to Dyspo's counter aka a trick.

Also it's possible that it wasn't until after Hit adapted to his style, that Hit became a match or more for HS Dyspo. This would be explain why Dyspo choosing to run away in the fight, and Geran believing that he's needed to confidently defeat Hit.

Dyspo using HIS RAW power to overcome Time skip isn't a trick. It isn't the same. Hit couldn't overpower Dyspo in Base he sure as heck won't even compare to his "Hyper speed-mode."

Dyspo using his speed to force Hit into not using his Time-Skip or making it unusable is a trick. Dyspo wasn't overpowering the Time-Skip like Geran.

[Miracles]

You know this goes both ways, right? Dyspo was beating Hit, because he knew a counter to Time-Skip aka a trick. Later, Hit was beating Dyspo because he knew a counter to Dyspo's counter aka a trick.

Also it's possible that it wasn't until after Hit adapted to his style, that Hit became a match or more for HS Dyspo. This would be explain why Dyspo choosing to run away in the fight, and Geran believing that he's needed to confidently defeat Hit.

Dyspo using HIS RAW power to overcome Time skip isn't a trick. It isn't the same. Hit couldn't overpower Dyspo in Base he sure as heck won't even compare to his "Hyper speed-mode."

Dyspo using his speed to force Hit into not using his Time-Skip or making it unusable is a trick. Dyspo wasn't overpowering the Time-Skip like Geran.

Dyspo's speed is PART of his RAW skill/power package. Totally different from Hit not being able to compete with Dyspo PHYSICALLY, so adapted by leading him off the edge of the ring.

[Helios518]

Dyspo using HIS RAW power to overcome Time skip isn't a trick. It isn't the same. Hit couldn't overpower Dyspo in Base he sure as heck won't even compare to his "Hyper speed-mode."

Dyspo using his speed to force Hit into not using his Time-Skip or making it unusable is a trick. Dyspo wasn't overpowering the Time-Skip like Geran.

Dyspo's speed is PART of his RAW skill/power package. Totally different from Hit not being able to compete with Dyspo PHYSICALLY, adapting by leading him off the edge of the ring.

Dyspo outright used a technique that increases his speed thousands of time, and which the summaries referred to it as Light Bullet.

[Miracles]

Dyspo using his speed to force Hit into not using his Time-Skip or making it unusable is a trick. Dyspo wasn't overpowering the Time-Skip like Geran.

Dyspo's speed is PART of his RAW skill/power package. Totally different from Hit not being able to compete with Dyspo PHYSICALLY, adapting by leading him off the edge of the ring.

Dyspo outright used a technique that increases his speed thousands of time, and which the summaries referred to it as Light Bullet.

No, Toppo stated that Dypso's speed is outright due to his repeated battles. It's not a technique but his raw power set.

[Helios518]

Dyspo's speed is PART of his RAW skill/power package. Totally different from Hit not being able to compete with Dyspo PHYSICALLY, adapting by leading him off the edge of the ring.

Dyspo outright used a technique that increases his speed thousands of time, and which the summaries referred to it as Light Bullet.

No, Toppo stated that Dypso's speed is outright due to his repeated battles. It's not a technique but his raw power set.

Much like how Goku's power was a product of repeated battles/training, yet he can further increase his power through a technique (Kaio-ken)? Same thing with Dyspo. He developed the Light-Bullet technique to increase his speed.

[Miracles]

Dyspo outright used a technique that increases his speed thousands of time, and which the summaries referred to it as Light Bullet.

No, Toppo stated that Dypso's speed is outright due to his repeated battles. It's not a technique but his raw power set.

Much like how Goku's power was a product of repeated battles/training, yet he can further increase his power through a technique (Kaio-ken)? Same thing with Dyspo. He developed the Light-Bullet technique to increase his speed.

Dyspo's speed doesn't increase due to a technique. Toppo stated it's HIS speed! A technique has nothing to do with Hit scheming to lure Dyspo off the edge cause he could not handle his raw speed. They aren't the same, you are reaching.

[Helios518]

No, Toppo stated that Dypso's speed is outright due to his repeated battles. It's not a technique but his raw power set.

Much like how Goku's power was a product of repeated battles/training, yet he can further increase his power through a technique (Kaio-ken)? Same thing with Dyspo. He developed the Light-Bullet technique to increase his speed.

1) Dyspo's speed doesn't increase due to a technique. 2) Toppo stated it's HIS speed! A technique has nothing to do with Hit scheming to lure Dyspo off the edge cause he could not handle his raw speed. They aren't the same, you are reaching.

1) Dyspo literally said he can increase his speed thousands of times in an instant, exactly like how Kaio-ken raise the user's power in a brief moment.

2) It is his speed, it's just heightened via the use of his own technique.

[Bullza]

If Dyspo can increase his speed thousands of fold and Golden Frieza was faster then wouldn't that mean Super Saiyan Blue level characters are thousands of times faster than Dyspo's regular speed?

And how fast is Dyspo's regular speed compared to other characters?