No, not really. I don't see much point in it to be honest. I feel that where I have everyone is a good fit. If you want to, go aheadMjb1985 wrote:MO I wanted to try to do a Dragonball list with no scouter logic, are you interested in trying one?
Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
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Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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I haven't done one in a while. I generally like to re read the portion of the manga I am doing levels for. Might take some time. I want to make sure I don't make too big of gaps I am more of a minimalist. I'm thinking of using Farmer as a Base and have expectations of Piccolo Daimao reaching 1,000 to 10,000 level.
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I did one with the farmer @ 5 and had FP PD reaching 300,000....Kami 3,000,000Mjb1985 wrote:I haven't done one in a while. I generally like to re read the portion of the manga I am doing levels for. Might take some time. I want to make sure I don't make too big of gaps I am more of a minimalist. I'm thinking of using Farmer as a Base and have expectations of Piccolo Daimao reaching 1,000 to 10,000 level.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
How the fuck does that happen...?Victorious wrote:I did one with the farmer @ 5 and had FP PD reaching 300,000....Kami 3,000,000Mjb1985 wrote:I haven't done one in a while. I generally like to re read the portion of the manga I am doing levels for. Might take some time. I want to make sure I don't make too big of gaps I am more of a minimalist. I'm thinking of using Farmer as a Base and have expectations of Piccolo Daimao reaching 1,000 to 10,000 level.
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RandomGuy96's Complete Power Levels Guide: Final Version (Sr
MULTIPLIERS
Super Saiyan- x50
--Grade 2- x75
--Grade 3- x135
--Super Saiyan 2- x100
--Super Saiyan 3- x400
--Legendary Super Saiyan- x100
Freeza's Species: natural max is what Freeza referred to as 50% of his power. Counterpart to Super Saiyan.
-Fifth Form: x4. Counterpart to Super Saiyan 2.
"Muscle Mode": x1.5. Generic power up used by several species, involving artificially pumping up your body with ki. Users include Freeza's clan, Super Saiyans, Makyans, and humans.
Super Heran- x1.5
Kaio-Ken- x(level of Kaio-Ken)
Namekian Fusion- (A + B) x 10. Rejoining after a fission is exempt from this rule and has its own set.
Dance Fusion- (A + B) x 6
Toei Dance Fusion- (A + B) x 20
Majin Buu-
--Standard Absorption- (A + B)
--South Kaioshin Absorption- (A + B) x 2.5
--Buu on Buu Absorption- (A + B) x 2
Potara Fusion- (A + B) x Y. Y is determined by the difference of powers.
--Kibito Kai: Kibito's power level of 66,000,000 is 2.75% of Kaioshin's 2,400,000,000. The fusion was (66,000,000 + 2,400,000,000) x 2.75
--Vegetto: Vegeta's base power of 105,000,000 is 100% of Goku's 105,000,000. The fusion was (105,000,000 + 105,000,000) x 100.
Attacks:
-Kamehameha (mastered)- x1.5
-Special Beam Cannon- x1.6
-Light Grendade- x2
-Galick Gun- x1.5
-Final Flash- x5
-Supernova- x1.6
-Super Kamehameha- x2.22
-Mouth Blast- x1.25
NOTE: A tiny bit of rounding is involved in these attacks to keep the numbers clean. If you want an in-universe reason you can dismiss it as varying states of energy usage, injury, and mastery.
OTHER NOTE: An old Weekly Jump issue gave the power level of Goku at the 23rd Tournament as 910. As I think that this fits the story quite well, I've chosen to use that as my baseline for the Dragon Ball numbers while dispensing with the pre-Z V-Jump numbers, which were littered with errors. I assume that Raditz read Goku's and Piccolo's suppressed powers as 408 and 416, and Goku's true power only came out when firing the Kamehameha. Otherwise the scouter couldn't sense him, just like how Nappa's scouter read all of the Earthlings at weaker than Raditz. Aside from the Dragon Ball ones, the only official numbers I ignored are the ones for the Armored Squadron and the V-Jump ones for Cooler, Broly, and Gogeta- the latter can work but I don't put a lot of stock into them, while the former are just flat-out wrong, since they have every single member of the squad considerably weaker than Gohan.
EPISODE OF BARDOCK
Bardock- 12,000
--Super Saiyan- 600,000
Chilled- 106,000
BARDOCK: FATHER OF GOKU
Bardock- 6,500
--Zenkai- 9,800
Tatapo- 2,400
Selypa- 2,800
Pambukin- 2,920
Toma- 3,600
King Vegeta- 10,000
Vegeta(Kid)- 11,000
Nappa- 4,500
Freeza- 500,000
Zarbon- 20,000
Dodoria- 18,000
Dodoria's Elites- 4,000
Demon Wars
Master Mutatio- 350
Roshi- 280
Shen/Crane Hermit- 245
King Piccolo- 530
Demons- 200
21st Tournament Arc
Roshi (Heavily Suppressed)- 45
--True Power- 139
--MAX Power- 210
---MAX Power Kamehameha- 305
Goku- 50
--Ozaru- 500
Red Ribbon Army Arc
(just a few important ones)
Korin- 190
Goku- 55
--Post-Korin training- 165
Bora- 46
Tao- 110
General Blue- 48
Grandpa Gohan- 150
Devilman- 130
Mummy- 90
Fangs- 79
Invisible Man- 56
Krillin- 85
Yamcha- 70
22nd Tournament/Tien Arc
Goku- 180
Roshi- 139
Krillin- 105
Yamcha- 95
Tien- 160
Crane Hermit- 120
Chiaotzu- 90
King Chappa- 70
Pamput- 20
King Piccolo Saga
Goku- 180
--"Match Level"- 120
--Post-God Water- 540
Tien- 165
Roshi- 139
Yajirobe- 130
Krillin- 105
Yamcha- 95
King Piccolo- 450
--Half Power (vs Goku Round 1)- 225
--Young- 530
Drum- 210
Tambourine- 140
Cymbal- 105
Piano- 7
Kami- 700
Popo- 560
23rd Tournament
Goku- 910
--Weighted/Suppressed (vs Tien)- 610
Kami/Shen- 700
Tien- 560
Krillin- 350
Yamcha- 300
Yajirobe- 250
Chiaotzu- 185
Chi Chi- 130
Piccolo Junior- 890
Cyborg Tao- 440
Crane Hermit- 120
Garlic Jr. Attacks Earth
Goku- 920
Piccolo- 900
Kami- 650
Krillin- 400
Gohan (angry)- 1,309
Garlic Jr- 820
--Full Power- 1,230
Nicky- 400
--Full Power- 600
Sansho- 380
--Full Power- 570
Ginger- 360
-Full Power- 540
SAIYAN SAGA
Arrival of Raditz
Goku- 924
--Suppressed- 416
Piccolo- 905
--Suppressed- 408
--Special Beam Cannon- 1,440
Gohan- 2
--Gohan(Angry)- 1,307
Tenshinhan- 625
--Resting- 250
Krillin- 515
--Resting- 206
Yamcha- 443
--Resting- 177
Master Roshi- 139
Raditz- 1,500
Arrival of Nappa and Vegeta
Goku: 8,000
--Kaioken x2: 16,000
--Kaioken x3: 24,000
---Drained- 21,000
----x3 Kamehahema- 31,500
----x4 Kamehameha- 42,000
Piccolo: 3,500
--Special Beam Cannon- 5,600
Tenshinhan: 1,830
--Heavily Injured and Near Death- 610
---Kikoho- 3,050
Krillin: 1,770
Yamcha: 1,480
Gohan: 981
--Angry- 2,800
Mr Popo: 1,030
Yajirobe: 970
Chaozu: 610
--Suicide Attack- 2,440
Kami- 600
Vegeta- 18,000
--Galick Gun- 32,400
--Drained and Injured- 9,000
---Oozaru- 90,000
--Drained and Injured further- 3,000
Nappa- 4,000
Saibamen: 1,200
--Suicide Attack- 4,800
Tree of Might
Goku- 40,000
--Kaio-Ken x2- 80,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 400,000
Piccolo- 18,000
--Special Beam Cannon- 29,000
Gohan- 10,000
--Oozaru- 100,000
Tien- 6,000
Krillin- 5,800
Yamcha- 5,000
Chaozu- 2,000
Turles- 37,000
--First Fruit- 550,000
--Second Fruit- 900,000
Amond- 20,000
Daiz- 16,000
Cacao- 13,000
Those Two Purple Guys- 5,500
FREEZA SAGA
Prior To Super Long Battle With Freeza
Goku- 90,000
--Kaio-Ken x2- 180,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 900,000
Vegeta- 24,000
--First Zenkai- 30,000
---Final Crash- 45,000
--Second Zenkai- 250,000
Krillin- 2,100
--Initial Potential Unlocked- 13,000
--Potential Unlocked vs Ginyu-Goku- 25,000
Gohan- 1,600
--Initial Potential Unlocked- 14,000
--Potential Unlocked vs Ginyu-Goku- 27,000
Nail- 42,000
Elite Namekian Warriors- 10,000
Namekian Warriors- 3,000
Freeza- 530,000
Zarbon- 23,000
--Transformed- 33,000
Dodoria- 22,000
Cui- 18,000
Freeza Soldiers (Namek village)- 1,300
Freeza Soldiers (common)- 500-1000
Banan- 980
Sui- 840
Captain Ginyu- 120,000
--Goku's Body- 23,000
Jeice- 40,000
Burter- 38,000
Reccoome- 36,000
--Mouth Blast- 45,000
Guldo- 6,000
Tien- 102,000
--Multiform Clones- 51,000
Yamcha- 50,000
Chaozu- 34,000
Super Long Battle With Freeza
Goku- 3,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 30,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20- 60,000,000
---Drained and Injured- 50,000,000
----x20 Kamehameha- 75,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 150,000,000
Vegeta- 250,000
--Final Zenkai- 2,300,000
---Crying- 18,000
Piccolo- 78,000
--Weighted- 58,000
--Fused With Nail (Weighted)- 1,000,000
----Without Weights 1,200,000
Gohan- 200,000
-Post-zenkai- 300,000
Krillin- 75,000 (and rising)
--Later in battle- 230,000
Freeza- 530,000 (first form)
--Second Form- 1,000,000
----Second Form First Power Up- 1,100,000
----Second Form Second Power Up- 1,200,000 (1%)
--Third Form- 2,000,000
----Third Form Power Up (unseen)- 2,400,000 (2%)
--Initial Final Form - 3,600,000 (3%)
--Final Form (50%)- 60,000,000
--Final Form (70%) (brief burst)- 84,000,000
--Final Form (100%)- 120,000,000
Lord Slug
Goku- 3,300,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 33,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20- 66,000,000
--False Super Saiyan- 165,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x100: 330,000,000
Piccolo- 1,500,000
Lord Slug- 65,000,000
--Young- 130,000,000
--Giant- 200,000,000
Angira- 1,500,000
Medamathca- 1,400,000
--Mouth Blast- 1,750,000
Wings- 1,200,000
Commander Zoon- 800,000
CELL SAGA
Arrival of Mecha Freeza
Goku - 3,700,000
--Super Saiyan - 185,000,000
Trunks - 3,300,000
--Super Saiyan - 165,000,000
Piccolo - 3,500,000
Vegeta - 3,200,000
Mecha Freeza - 7,000,000 (suppressed)
--70% Power (vs Trunks)- 98,000,000
--Full Power (unseen)- 140,000,000
King Cold - 10,000,000 (suppressed)
--Full Power (unseen)- 100,000,000
Cooler's Revenge
PRE-RETCON:
Cooler- 140,000,000
--Fifth Form- 6,400,000,000
Goku- 160,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20- 3,200,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 8,000,000,000
(a year into the android training)
Goku- 4,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 203,000,000 (pre-zenkai)
--Post-zenkai- 5,000,000
---Kaio-Ken x10 - 50,000,000
---Kaio-Ken x20 - 100,000,000
----x20 Kamehameha - 150,000,000
---Super Saiyan - 250,000,000
----Kamehameha: 375,000,000
Piccolo - 5,000,000
Gohan- 2,200,000
Krillin- 2,000,000
Cooler-
--"50%" Power/Natural Max (vs Goku Round 1)- 50,000,000
--Goku's Initial Estimation For Cooler ("greater than Freeza")/ Cooler powering up- 140,000,000
--Fifth Form: 200,000,000
---Supernova: 320,000,000
Salza: 3,300,000
Doore: 3,000,000
Neiz: 2,800,000
Trunks' Bad Future
Future Gohan- 2,800,000
--Super Saiyan: 140,000,000
---Anime Version- 330,000,000
Future Android 18- 250,000,000
Future Android 17- 270,000,000
Arrival of the Androids
Goku- 5,700,000
--Super Saiyan- 285,000,000
--Sick- 200,000,000 (and dropping)
Vegeta- 6,000,000
--Super Saiyan: 300,000,000
---Post-energy drain- 260,000,000
---Post-Big Bang Attack- 230,000,000
Trunks- 4,300,000
--Super Saiyan- 215,000,000
Piccolo- 205,000,000
Gohan- 5,800,000
Krillin- 4,200,000
Tien- 2,500,000
Yamcha- 1,500,000
Android 20- 100,000,000
--Vegeta and Piccolo's ki: 160,000,000
Android 19- 90,000,000
--Vegeta and Goku's ki: 225,000,000
Android 18- 375,000,000
Android 17- 400,000,000
Android 16- 700,000,000
Return of Cooler
Goku- 5,700,000
--Super Saiyan- 285,000,000
Vegeta- 6,000,000
--Super Saiyan: 300,000,000
Piccolo- 410,000,000
Gohan- 5,800,000
Krillin- 4,200,000
Metal Cooler- 250,000,000
--First Repair- 500,000,000
--Second Repair- 700,000,000
Super Android 13
Piccolo- 410,000,000
Vegeta- 6,000,000
--Super Saiyan: 300,000,000
Goku- 5,700,000
--Super Saiyan- 285,000,000
Trunks- 4,300,000
--Super Saiyan- 215,000,000
Android 13- 300,000,000
--Super Android 13- 600,000,000
Android 14- 185,000,000
Android 15- 280,000,000
Imperfect Cell Arc
Imperfect Cell Initial- 335,000,000
--Post-human meal- 700,000,000
Piccolo: 410,000,000
--Exhausted- 320,000,000
--Exhausted and Beaten (by Cell)- 275,000,000
---Light Grenade- 550,000,000
Birth of Perfect Cell
Cell-
--Semi-Perfect- 1,100,000,000
--Initial Perfect- 2,000,000,000
Vegeta- 18,680,000
--Super Saiyan- 934,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 2- 1,400,000,000
---Final Flash- 7,000,000,000
Trunks: 17,340,000
--Super Saiyan- 867,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 2- 1,300,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 3- 2,340,900,000
Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan
Goku- 34,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 1,700,000,000
---+Friends' Energy- 5,800,000,000
Vegeta- 20,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade II- 1,500,000,000
Trunks- 18,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade II- 1,350,000,000
Piccolo- 1,200,000,000
Gohan- 21,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 1,050,000,000
Broly- 44,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 2,200,000,0000
--Legendary Super Saiyan- 4,400,000,000
Cell Games
Gohan- 90,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 4,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 9,000,000,000
---Injured- 6,000,000,000
----Final Super Kamehameha- 14,000,000,000
Goku- 70,000,000
--50% Power- 1,750,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 3,500,000,000
---Instant Super Kamehameha- 8,000,000,000
--Post-Super Kamehameha- 1,500,000,000
Vegeta- 50,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 2,500,000,000
Trunks- 46,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 2,300,000,000
Piccolo- 1,200,000,000
Perfect Cell-
--Against Goku- 4,000,000,000
--Full Power- 6,000,000,000
--Super Perfect-- 8,000,000,000
---Solar Kamehameha- 18,000,000,000
Cell Juniors- 2,400,000,000
--Cell Junior that the humans actually hit in filler: 300,000
Otherworld Tournament
Pikkon- 5,500,000
--Burning Shot- 11,000,000,000
Goku- 82,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 4,100,000,000
0libu- 70,000,000
Super Perfect Cell- 8,000,000,000
Freeza- 160,000,000
King Cold- 130,000,000
Bojack Unbound
Gohan- 90,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 4,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 9,000,000,000
Trunks- 52,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 2,600,000,000
Vegeta- 50,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 2,500,000,000
Piccolo- 1,400,000,000
Bojack- 3,400,000,000
--Super Bojack- 5,100,000,000
Bido- 3,000,000,000
Zangya- 2,600,000,000
Bujin- 2,200,000,000
Kogu- 400,000,000
--Super Kogu- 600,000,000
Broly: Second Coming
Gohan- 70,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 3,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 7,000,000,000
Trunks- 36,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,800,000,000
Goten- 34,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,700,000,000
Broly- 86,000,000
-Super Saiyan- 4,300,000,000
-Legendary Super Saiyan- 8,600,000,000
BUU SAGA
Tournament
Goku- 105,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 5,250,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 42,000,000,000
Vegeta- 80,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 4,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 8,000,000,000
---Hidden Power- 10,000,000,000
Gohan- 70,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 3,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 7,000,000,000
East Kaioshin- 2,400,000,000
Piccolo- 1,750,000,000
Trunks- 36,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,800,000,000
Goten- 34,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,700,000,000
Kibito- 66,000,000
Krillin- 4,000,000
Tien- 3,600,000
Yamcha- 1,500,000
Chiaotzu- 1,400,000
Babidi Saga
Goku- 105,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 5,250,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 42,000,000,000
Majin Vegeta- 105,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 5,250,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
---Suicide Attack- 42,000,000,000
Gotenks (pre-ROSAT)-
--Super Saiyan- 21,000,000,000
Dabura- 6,000,000,000
Yakon- 90,000,000
Pui Pui- 800,000
Yamu- 12
Spovovitch- 11
Fat Buu- 18,000,000,000
--Angered To The Point Of Splitting- 90,000,000,000
Good Buu- 38,000,000,000
Evil Buu- 52,000,000,000
Fusion Saga
Vegetto- 21,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,050,000,000,000
Hypothetical Gogeta- 1,260,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 504,000,000,000
cannot defeat Buuhan
Ultimate Gohan- 300,000,000,000
Gotenks (post-ROSAT)-
--Super Saiyan- 27,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 54,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 216,000,000,000
Kibito Kai- 6,781,500,000
Trunks (post-ROSAT)- 46,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 2,300,000,000
Goten (post-ROSAT)- 44,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 2,200,000,000
Super Buu-
--Base- 180,000,000,000
---Mouth Blast- 225,000,000,000
--Buuccolo/Super Duper Buu- 185,000,000,000
--Buushin/Mega Buu/Buff Buu- 200,000,000,000
--Buutenks/Ultra Buu- 398,000,000,000
--Buuhan/Ultimate Buu- 485,000,000,000
(rounded a tiny bit)
Kid Buu Returns
Goku- 105,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 5,250,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 42,000,000,000
Good Buu- 38,000,000,000
Vegeta- 105,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
Kid Buu- 45,000,000,000
South Kaioshin- 35,000,000,000
West Kaioshin- 5,000,000,00
North Kaioshin- 4,000,000,000
Grand Kaioshin- 3,000,000,000
East Kaioshin- 2,400,000,000
Old Kai- 30,000,000
Fusion Reborm
Goku- 105,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 42,000,000,000
Vegeta-105,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
Great Saiyaman- 70,000,000
Gogeta- 4,200,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 210,000,000,000
Janemba- 25,000,000,000
--Super Janemba (suppressed)- 45,000,000,000
--Super Janemba (full power)- 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan- x50
--Grade 2- x75
--Grade 3- x135
--Super Saiyan 2- x100
--Super Saiyan 3- x400
--Legendary Super Saiyan- x100
Freeza's Species: natural max is what Freeza referred to as 50% of his power. Counterpart to Super Saiyan.
-Fifth Form: x4. Counterpart to Super Saiyan 2.
"Muscle Mode": x1.5. Generic power up used by several species, involving artificially pumping up your body with ki. Users include Freeza's clan, Super Saiyans, Makyans, and humans.
Super Heran- x1.5
Kaio-Ken- x(level of Kaio-Ken)
Namekian Fusion- (A + B) x 10. Rejoining after a fission is exempt from this rule and has its own set.
Dance Fusion- (A + B) x 6
Toei Dance Fusion- (A + B) x 20
Majin Buu-
--Standard Absorption- (A + B)
--South Kaioshin Absorption- (A + B) x 2.5
--Buu on Buu Absorption- (A + B) x 2
Potara Fusion- (A + B) x Y. Y is determined by the difference of powers.
--Kibito Kai: Kibito's power level of 66,000,000 is 2.75% of Kaioshin's 2,400,000,000. The fusion was (66,000,000 + 2,400,000,000) x 2.75
--Vegetto: Vegeta's base power of 105,000,000 is 100% of Goku's 105,000,000. The fusion was (105,000,000 + 105,000,000) x 100.
Attacks:
-Kamehameha (mastered)- x1.5
-Special Beam Cannon- x1.6
-Light Grendade- x2
-Galick Gun- x1.5
-Final Flash- x5
-Supernova- x1.6
-Super Kamehameha- x2.22
-Mouth Blast- x1.25
NOTE: A tiny bit of rounding is involved in these attacks to keep the numbers clean. If you want an in-universe reason you can dismiss it as varying states of energy usage, injury, and mastery.
OTHER NOTE: An old Weekly Jump issue gave the power level of Goku at the 23rd Tournament as 910. As I think that this fits the story quite well, I've chosen to use that as my baseline for the Dragon Ball numbers while dispensing with the pre-Z V-Jump numbers, which were littered with errors. I assume that Raditz read Goku's and Piccolo's suppressed powers as 408 and 416, and Goku's true power only came out when firing the Kamehameha. Otherwise the scouter couldn't sense him, just like how Nappa's scouter read all of the Earthlings at weaker than Raditz. Aside from the Dragon Ball ones, the only official numbers I ignored are the ones for the Armored Squadron and the V-Jump ones for Cooler, Broly, and Gogeta- the latter can work but I don't put a lot of stock into them, while the former are just flat-out wrong, since they have every single member of the squad considerably weaker than Gohan.
EPISODE OF BARDOCK
Bardock- 12,000
--Super Saiyan- 600,000
Chilled- 106,000
BARDOCK: FATHER OF GOKU
Bardock- 6,500
--Zenkai- 9,800
Tatapo- 2,400
Selypa- 2,800
Pambukin- 2,920
Toma- 3,600
King Vegeta- 10,000
Vegeta(Kid)- 11,000
Nappa- 4,500
Freeza- 500,000
Zarbon- 20,000
Dodoria- 18,000
Dodoria's Elites- 4,000
Demon Wars
Master Mutatio- 350
Roshi- 280
Shen/Crane Hermit- 245
King Piccolo- 530
Demons- 200
21st Tournament Arc
Roshi (Heavily Suppressed)- 45
--True Power- 139
--MAX Power- 210
---MAX Power Kamehameha- 305
Goku- 50
--Ozaru- 500
Red Ribbon Army Arc
(just a few important ones)
Korin- 190
Goku- 55
--Post-Korin training- 165
Bora- 46
Tao- 110
General Blue- 48
Grandpa Gohan- 150
Devilman- 130
Mummy- 90
Fangs- 79
Invisible Man- 56
Krillin- 85
Yamcha- 70
22nd Tournament/Tien Arc
Goku- 180
Roshi- 139
Krillin- 105
Yamcha- 95
Tien- 160
Crane Hermit- 120
Chiaotzu- 90
King Chappa- 70
Pamput- 20
King Piccolo Saga
Goku- 180
--"Match Level"- 120
--Post-God Water- 540
Tien- 165
Roshi- 139
Yajirobe- 130
Krillin- 105
Yamcha- 95
King Piccolo- 450
--Half Power (vs Goku Round 1)- 225
--Young- 530
Drum- 210
Tambourine- 140
Cymbal- 105
Piano- 7
Kami- 700
Popo- 560
23rd Tournament
Goku- 910
--Weighted/Suppressed (vs Tien)- 610
Kami/Shen- 700
Tien- 560
Krillin- 350
Yamcha- 300
Yajirobe- 250
Chiaotzu- 185
Chi Chi- 130
Piccolo Junior- 890
Cyborg Tao- 440
Crane Hermit- 120
Garlic Jr. Attacks Earth
Goku- 920
Piccolo- 900
Kami- 650
Krillin- 400
Gohan (angry)- 1,309
Garlic Jr- 820
--Full Power- 1,230
Nicky- 400
--Full Power- 600
Sansho- 380
--Full Power- 570
Ginger- 360
-Full Power- 540
SAIYAN SAGA
Arrival of Raditz
Goku- 924
--Suppressed- 416
Piccolo- 905
--Suppressed- 408
--Special Beam Cannon- 1,440
Gohan- 2
--Gohan(Angry)- 1,307
Tenshinhan- 625
--Resting- 250
Krillin- 515
--Resting- 206
Yamcha- 443
--Resting- 177
Master Roshi- 139
Raditz- 1,500
Arrival of Nappa and Vegeta
Goku: 8,000
--Kaioken x2: 16,000
--Kaioken x3: 24,000
---Drained- 21,000
----x3 Kamehahema- 31,500
----x4 Kamehameha- 42,000
Piccolo: 3,500
--Special Beam Cannon- 5,600
Tenshinhan: 1,830
--Heavily Injured and Near Death- 610
---Kikoho- 3,050
Krillin: 1,770
Yamcha: 1,480
Gohan: 981
--Angry- 2,800
Mr Popo: 1,030
Yajirobe: 970
Chaozu: 610
--Suicide Attack- 2,440
Kami- 600
Vegeta- 18,000
--Galick Gun- 32,400
--Drained and Injured- 9,000
---Oozaru- 90,000
--Drained and Injured further- 3,000
Nappa- 4,000
Saibamen: 1,200
--Suicide Attack- 4,800
Tree of Might
Goku- 40,000
--Kaio-Ken x2- 80,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 400,000
Piccolo- 18,000
--Special Beam Cannon- 29,000
Gohan- 10,000
--Oozaru- 100,000
Tien- 6,000
Krillin- 5,800
Yamcha- 5,000
Chaozu- 2,000
Turles- 37,000
--First Fruit- 550,000
--Second Fruit- 900,000
Amond- 20,000
Daiz- 16,000
Cacao- 13,000
Those Two Purple Guys- 5,500
FREEZA SAGA
Prior To Super Long Battle With Freeza
Goku- 90,000
--Kaio-Ken x2- 180,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 900,000
Vegeta- 24,000
--First Zenkai- 30,000
---Final Crash- 45,000
--Second Zenkai- 250,000
Krillin- 2,100
--Initial Potential Unlocked- 13,000
--Potential Unlocked vs Ginyu-Goku- 25,000
Gohan- 1,600
--Initial Potential Unlocked- 14,000
--Potential Unlocked vs Ginyu-Goku- 27,000
Nail- 42,000
Elite Namekian Warriors- 10,000
Namekian Warriors- 3,000
Freeza- 530,000
Zarbon- 23,000
--Transformed- 33,000
Dodoria- 22,000
Cui- 18,000
Freeza Soldiers (Namek village)- 1,300
Freeza Soldiers (common)- 500-1000
Banan- 980
Sui- 840
Captain Ginyu- 120,000
--Goku's Body- 23,000
Jeice- 40,000
Burter- 38,000
Reccoome- 36,000
--Mouth Blast- 45,000
Guldo- 6,000
Tien- 102,000
--Multiform Clones- 51,000
Yamcha- 50,000
Chaozu- 34,000
Super Long Battle With Freeza
Goku- 3,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 30,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20- 60,000,000
---Drained and Injured- 50,000,000
----x20 Kamehameha- 75,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 150,000,000
Vegeta- 250,000
--Final Zenkai- 2,300,000
---Crying- 18,000
Piccolo- 78,000
--Weighted- 58,000
--Fused With Nail (Weighted)- 1,000,000
----Without Weights 1,200,000
Gohan- 200,000
-Post-zenkai- 300,000
Krillin- 75,000 (and rising)
--Later in battle- 230,000
Freeza- 530,000 (first form)
--Second Form- 1,000,000
----Second Form First Power Up- 1,100,000
----Second Form Second Power Up- 1,200,000 (1%)
--Third Form- 2,000,000
----Third Form Power Up (unseen)- 2,400,000 (2%)
--Initial Final Form - 3,600,000 (3%)
--Final Form (50%)- 60,000,000
--Final Form (70%) (brief burst)- 84,000,000
--Final Form (100%)- 120,000,000
Lord Slug
Goku- 3,300,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 33,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20- 66,000,000
--False Super Saiyan- 165,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x100: 330,000,000
Piccolo- 1,500,000
Lord Slug- 65,000,000
--Young- 130,000,000
--Giant- 200,000,000
Angira- 1,500,000
Medamathca- 1,400,000
--Mouth Blast- 1,750,000
Wings- 1,200,000
Commander Zoon- 800,000
CELL SAGA
Arrival of Mecha Freeza
Goku - 3,700,000
--Super Saiyan - 185,000,000
Trunks - 3,300,000
--Super Saiyan - 165,000,000
Piccolo - 3,500,000
Vegeta - 3,200,000
Mecha Freeza - 7,000,000 (suppressed)
--70% Power (vs Trunks)- 98,000,000
--Full Power (unseen)- 140,000,000
King Cold - 10,000,000 (suppressed)
--Full Power (unseen)- 100,000,000
Cooler's Revenge
PRE-RETCON:
Cooler- 140,000,000
--Fifth Form- 6,400,000,000
Goku- 160,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20- 3,200,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 8,000,000,000
(a year into the android training)
Goku- 4,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 203,000,000 (pre-zenkai)
--Post-zenkai- 5,000,000
---Kaio-Ken x10 - 50,000,000
---Kaio-Ken x20 - 100,000,000
----x20 Kamehameha - 150,000,000
---Super Saiyan - 250,000,000
----Kamehameha: 375,000,000
Piccolo - 5,000,000
Gohan- 2,200,000
Krillin- 2,000,000
Cooler-
--"50%" Power/Natural Max (vs Goku Round 1)- 50,000,000
--Goku's Initial Estimation For Cooler ("greater than Freeza")/ Cooler powering up- 140,000,000
--Fifth Form: 200,000,000
---Supernova: 320,000,000
Salza: 3,300,000
Doore: 3,000,000
Neiz: 2,800,000
Trunks' Bad Future
Future Gohan- 2,800,000
--Super Saiyan: 140,000,000
---Anime Version- 330,000,000
Future Android 18- 250,000,000
Future Android 17- 270,000,000
Arrival of the Androids
Goku- 5,700,000
--Super Saiyan- 285,000,000
--Sick- 200,000,000 (and dropping)
Vegeta- 6,000,000
--Super Saiyan: 300,000,000
---Post-energy drain- 260,000,000
---Post-Big Bang Attack- 230,000,000
Trunks- 4,300,000
--Super Saiyan- 215,000,000
Piccolo- 205,000,000
Gohan- 5,800,000
Krillin- 4,200,000
Tien- 2,500,000
Yamcha- 1,500,000
Android 20- 100,000,000
--Vegeta and Piccolo's ki: 160,000,000
Android 19- 90,000,000
--Vegeta and Goku's ki: 225,000,000
Android 18- 375,000,000
Android 17- 400,000,000
Android 16- 700,000,000
Return of Cooler
Goku- 5,700,000
--Super Saiyan- 285,000,000
Vegeta- 6,000,000
--Super Saiyan: 300,000,000
Piccolo- 410,000,000
Gohan- 5,800,000
Krillin- 4,200,000
Metal Cooler- 250,000,000
--First Repair- 500,000,000
--Second Repair- 700,000,000
Super Android 13
Piccolo- 410,000,000
Vegeta- 6,000,000
--Super Saiyan: 300,000,000
Goku- 5,700,000
--Super Saiyan- 285,000,000
Trunks- 4,300,000
--Super Saiyan- 215,000,000
Android 13- 300,000,000
--Super Android 13- 600,000,000
Android 14- 185,000,000
Android 15- 280,000,000
Imperfect Cell Arc
Imperfect Cell Initial- 335,000,000
--Post-human meal- 700,000,000
Piccolo: 410,000,000
--Exhausted- 320,000,000
--Exhausted and Beaten (by Cell)- 275,000,000
---Light Grenade- 550,000,000
Birth of Perfect Cell
Cell-
--Semi-Perfect- 1,100,000,000
--Initial Perfect- 2,000,000,000
Vegeta- 18,680,000
--Super Saiyan- 934,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 2- 1,400,000,000
---Final Flash- 7,000,000,000
Trunks: 17,340,000
--Super Saiyan- 867,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 2- 1,300,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 3- 2,340,900,000
Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan
Goku- 34,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 1,700,000,000
---+Friends' Energy- 5,800,000,000
Vegeta- 20,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade II- 1,500,000,000
Trunks- 18,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade II- 1,350,000,000
Piccolo- 1,200,000,000
Gohan- 21,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 1,050,000,000
Broly- 44,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 2,200,000,0000
--Legendary Super Saiyan- 4,400,000,000
Cell Games
Gohan- 90,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 4,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 9,000,000,000
---Injured- 6,000,000,000
----Final Super Kamehameha- 14,000,000,000
Goku- 70,000,000
--50% Power- 1,750,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 3,500,000,000
---Instant Super Kamehameha- 8,000,000,000
--Post-Super Kamehameha- 1,500,000,000
Vegeta- 50,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 2,500,000,000
Trunks- 46,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 2,300,000,000
Piccolo- 1,200,000,000
Perfect Cell-
--Against Goku- 4,000,000,000
--Full Power- 6,000,000,000
--Super Perfect-- 8,000,000,000
---Solar Kamehameha- 18,000,000,000
Cell Juniors- 2,400,000,000
--Cell Junior that the humans actually hit in filler: 300,000
Otherworld Tournament
Pikkon- 5,500,000
--Burning Shot- 11,000,000,000
Goku- 82,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 4,100,000,000
0libu- 70,000,000
Super Perfect Cell- 8,000,000,000
Freeza- 160,000,000
King Cold- 130,000,000
Bojack Unbound
Gohan- 90,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 4,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 9,000,000,000
Trunks- 52,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 2,600,000,000
Vegeta- 50,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 2,500,000,000
Piccolo- 1,400,000,000
Bojack- 3,400,000,000
--Super Bojack- 5,100,000,000
Bido- 3,000,000,000
Zangya- 2,600,000,000
Bujin- 2,200,000,000
Kogu- 400,000,000
--Super Kogu- 600,000,000
Broly: Second Coming
Gohan- 70,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 3,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 7,000,000,000
Trunks- 36,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,800,000,000
Goten- 34,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,700,000,000
Broly- 86,000,000
-Super Saiyan- 4,300,000,000
-Legendary Super Saiyan- 8,600,000,000
BUU SAGA
Tournament
Goku- 105,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 5,250,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 42,000,000,000
Vegeta- 80,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 4,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 8,000,000,000
---Hidden Power- 10,000,000,000
Gohan- 70,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 3,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 7,000,000,000
East Kaioshin- 2,400,000,000
Piccolo- 1,750,000,000
Trunks- 36,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,800,000,000
Goten- 34,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,700,000,000
Kibito- 66,000,000
Krillin- 4,000,000
Tien- 3,600,000
Yamcha- 1,500,000
Chiaotzu- 1,400,000
Babidi Saga
Goku- 105,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 5,250,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 42,000,000,000
Majin Vegeta- 105,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 5,250,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
---Suicide Attack- 42,000,000,000
Gotenks (pre-ROSAT)-
--Super Saiyan- 21,000,000,000
Dabura- 6,000,000,000
Yakon- 90,000,000
Pui Pui- 800,000
Yamu- 12
Spovovitch- 11
Fat Buu- 18,000,000,000
--Angered To The Point Of Splitting- 90,000,000,000
Good Buu- 38,000,000,000
Evil Buu- 52,000,000,000
Fusion Saga
Vegetto- 21,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 1,050,000,000,000
Hypothetical Gogeta- 1,260,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 504,000,000,000
cannot defeat Buuhan
Ultimate Gohan- 300,000,000,000
Gotenks (post-ROSAT)-
--Super Saiyan- 27,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 54,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 216,000,000,000
Kibito Kai- 6,781,500,000
Trunks (post-ROSAT)- 46,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 2,300,000,000
Goten (post-ROSAT)- 44,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 2,200,000,000
Super Buu-
--Base- 180,000,000,000
---Mouth Blast- 225,000,000,000
--Buuccolo/Super Duper Buu- 185,000,000,000
--Buushin/Mega Buu/Buff Buu- 200,000,000,000
--Buutenks/Ultra Buu- 398,000,000,000
--Buuhan/Ultimate Buu- 485,000,000,000
(rounded a tiny bit)
Kid Buu Returns
Goku- 105,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 5,250,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 42,000,000,000
Good Buu- 38,000,000,000
Vegeta- 105,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
Kid Buu- 45,000,000,000
South Kaioshin- 35,000,000,000
West Kaioshin- 5,000,000,00
North Kaioshin- 4,000,000,000
Grand Kaioshin- 3,000,000,000
East Kaioshin- 2,400,000,000
Old Kai- 30,000,000
Fusion Reborm
Goku- 105,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 42,000,000,000
Vegeta-105,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 10,500,000,000
Great Saiyaman- 70,000,000
Gogeta- 4,200,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 210,000,000,000
Janemba- 25,000,000,000
--Super Janemba (suppressed)- 45,000,000,000
--Super Janemba (full power)- 100,000,000,000
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Saiyan arc
Battle with Raditz
Farmer
~ full power : 5
Piccolo
beginning of Z
~ with weights : 322
~ full power : 408
----- 1st Makankosappo : 1,330
----- 2nd Makankosappo * : 1,485
Son Goku
beginning of Z
~ with weights : 334
~ full power : 416
----- Kamehameha * : 924
Son Gohan
beginning of Z
~ afraid : 1
~ angry : 710
~ enraged : 1,307
Raditz
beginning of Z
~ full power : 1,200
Pre preparation
Urigome
~ full power : 0.001
Muten Roshi
beginning of Z
~ full power : 139
Chaozu
beginning of Z
~ full power : 145
Yajirobe
beginning of Z
~ full power : 160
Yamcha
beginning of Z
~ full power : 177
Kuririn
beginning of Z
~ full power : 206
Tenshinhan
beginning of Z
~ full power : 250
Piccolo
post several days training after Goku's death
~ with weights : 329
Battle with Nappa and Vegeta
Yajirobe
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~ full power : 640
Chaozu
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~ full power : 1,000
----- Farewell, Tenshinhan (suicide)* : 2,000
Yamcha
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~ full power: 1,320
----- Kamehameha : 1,620
Kuririn
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~ suppressed : 1,083
~ full power : 1,400
----- Scattering Bullet * : 1,820 {big blast}, 1,750 {small blasts}
Tenshinhan
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~ full power : 1,700
----- Kikoho * : 2,550
Piccolo
post 1 year Saiyan preparation training with Gohan
~ suppressed : 1,220
~ full power : 2,000
Son Gohan
post 1 year Saiyan preparation training with Piccolo
~ normal : 981
~ enraged : 2,800
~ Ōzaru : 9,810
Son Goku
post Kaio-sama's training
~ suppressed : 5,000
~ full power : 8,000+
~ Kaioken : 16,000+
~ Kaioken x 3 : 24,000+
----- Kamehameha * : 27,000
~ Kaioken x 4 : 32,000+
----- Kamehameha * : 36,000
Saibamen {6}
~ full power : 1,200 {each}
Nappa
arrival on Earth
~ pre brawl : 2,750
~ powered up against Z Senshi : 4,000
~ full power : 7,500
Vegeta
arrival on Earth
~ full power : 18,000
----- Gyarikku Hou * : 27,000
~ Ōzaru : 180,000
Freeza arc
Pre blastoff
Son Goku
post Vegeta battle zenkai
~ full power : 11,000
Arrival on Namek
Banan and Sūi
~ full power : 900 {each}
Kuririn
~ weighted : 1,500
Son Gohan
post Vegeta battle zenkai
~ normal : 1,500
Cui
~ full power : 18,000
Vegeta
post Earth battle zenkai
~ full power : 24,000
Turmoil on Namek
Kuririn
~ weighted : 1,500
Son Gohan
~ normal : 1,500
Dende
~ normal : 200
Namek warriors {3}
~ suppressed : 1,000 {each}
~ true power : 3,000 {each}
Freeza soldiers
~ full power : 1,800 {each}
Orlen
~ full power : 2,000
Appule
~ full power : 2,300
Dodoria
~ full power : 20,000
Zarbon
~ handsome : 22,000
~ monster : 28,000
Vegeta
~ full power : 24,000
post 1st Zarbon fight zenkai
~ full power : 30,000
Battle with The Ginyu Force
Kuririn
post Guru awakening
~ full power : 10,000+
Son Gohan
post Guru awakening
~ normal : 10,000+
~ angry : 20,000+
Vegeta
~ full power : 30,000+
Son Goku
post 100x gravity training
~ extremely suppressed : 5,000
~ against Ginyu Force : bursts of 60,000
~ full power : 90,000
~ Kaioken : 180,000
~ Kaioken x 10 : 900,000
Ghurd
~ full power : 6,000
Recoome
~ full power : 40,000
Burter
~ full power : 40,000
Jeice
~ full power : 40,000
Captain Ginyu
~ suppressed : 65,000
~ full power : 120,000
Ginyu trickery
Jeice
~ full power : 40,000
Captain Ginyu
post 1st body swap
~ in Goku's body : 23,000-
post 2nd body swap
~ in frog : 0.007
Kuririn
~ full power : 10,000+
Son Gohan
post Recoome fight zenkai
~ initial : 25,000+
Vegeta
post Recoome fight zenkai
~ initial : 50,000
Nail's sacrifice
Elite Namek warriors {3}
~ full power : 10,000 {each}
Nail
~ suppressed: 10,000
~ full power : 42,000
Freeza
~ 1st form : 530,000
Battle with Freeza
Kuririn
~ full power : 10,000+
Piccolo
post Kaio-sama's training
~ with weights : 300,000
post Nail assimilation
~ with weights : 1,200,000
~ full power : 1,400,000
Son Gohan
post Ginyu battle zenkai and rest
~ normal : 275,000
~ enraged : 1,100,000
post 2nd form Freeza beatdown zenkai
~ normal : 420,000
~ enraged : 1,680,000
Vegeta
post Recoome fight zenkai
~ after nap / full power : 480,000
post Kuririn blast zenkai
~ full power : 2,250,000
----- Final Burst Canon * : 2,750,000
Son Goku
post Ginyu swap zenkai
~ full power | base : 3,000,000
----- Genki Dama : 100,000,000
~ Kaioken x 10 : 30,000,000
~ Kaioken x 20 : 60,000,000
----- Kamehameha : 80,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 150,000,000
Freeza
~ 1st form : 530,000
~ 2nd form (initial suppression) : 1,060,000
~ 2nd form (full strength) : 1,270,000
~ 3rd form : 1,800,000
~ True form (initial suppression) : 3,300,000
~ True form (50%) : 70,000,000
~ True form (70%) : 98,000,000
~ True form (100%) : 140,000,000
Kaio-sama's planet
Ghurd
~ full power : 6,000
Recoome
~ full power : 40,000
Burter
~ full power : 40,000
Jeice
~ full power : 40,000
Chaozu
post Kaio-sama's training at arrival of Ginyu Force on Kaio's planet
~ full power : 7,400
Yamcha
post Kaio-sama's training at arrival of Ginyu Force on Kaio's planet
~ full power : 50,000
Tenshinhan
post Kaio-sama's training at arrival of Ginyu Force on Kaio's planet
~ full power : 110,000
----- in 6 eyes {2} : 55,000 {each}
Cell arc
Freeza's revenge
Piccolo
post 1 year & 260 days training on Earth after Namek battle
~ weights : 3,500,000
~ full power : 4,000,000
Vegeta
post 1 year & 260 days training on Earth and in space after Namek battle
~ full power : 4,200,000
Future Trunks
~ extremely suppressed : 5
~ base : 4,500,000
~ Super Saiyan : 225,000,000
Son Goku
post 1 year & 260 days training on planet Yadrat
~ base : 5,500,000
~ Super Saiyan : 275,000,000
Freeza
post cybernetic enhancement power up
~ Mecha form (70%) : 112,000,000
----- Super Nova * : 150,000,000
~ Mecha form (100%) : 160,000,000
King Cold
~ full power : 120,000,000
The History of Trunks
Future Son Gohan
~ base : 3,200,000
~ Super Saiyan : 160,000,000
post arm amputation & training
~ base : 4,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 200,000,000
Future Trunks
age 14
~ base : 2,800,000
~ Super Saiyan : 140,000,000
age 17 / 3 years after Gohan's death
~ base : 4,500,000
~ Super Saiyan : 225,000,000
Future Android #18
~ full power : 460,000,000 (infinitely)
Future Android #17
~ 40% : 184,000,000 (infinitely)
~ full power : 460,000,000 (infinitely)
Battle with the Androids
Son Goku
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~ base : 9,500,000
~ Super Saiyan (sick) : 300,000,000
~ Super Saiyan (full power) : 475,000,000
Future Trunks
post 3 years Androids preparation training in Future
~ base : 8,800,000
~ Super Saiyan : 440,000,000
Vegeta
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~ full power | base : 10,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 500,000,000
----- Big Bang Attack * : 875,000,000
Piccolo
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~ suppressed : 40,000,000
~ full power : 400,000,000
post re-merged with Kami-sama
Kamiccolo
~ weights : 700,000,000
~ full power : 800,000,000
Android #20 (Dr. Gero)
post Android conversion / initial
~ max power : 270,000,000
post ki absorptions
~ max power : 315,000,000
Android #19
initial
~ max power : 250,000,000
post ki absorptions
~ max power : 350,000,000
Android #18
~ max power : 700,000,000 (infinitely)
Android #17
~ max power : 775,000,000 (infinitely)
Android #21, Cell
Kamiccolo
~ weights : 700,000,000
----- post arm absorbed : 675,000,000
Cell
post 4 years evolution / hatching
~ 1st form (arrival) : 600,000,000
----- Kamehameha * : 1,332,000,000
----- post Piccolo's arm absorbed : 625,000,000
The Quest for Perfection
Kamiccolo
~ full power : 800,000,000
----- Kakusan Yūdō Kikoha * : 1,000,000,000
----- worn out : 750,000,000
---------- Gekiretsu Kodan * : 2,625,000,000
Android #17
~ max power : 775,000,000 (infinitely)
----- Barrier * : 1,300,000,000
Android #16
~ max power : 4,000,000,000 (infinitely)
----- Hell's Flash * : 5,000,000,000
Cell
post mass humans absorbed
~ 1st form (human souls power up) : 4,000,000,000
post Android #17 absorption
~ 2nd form (initial suppression) : 12,000,000,000
Tenshinhan
~ full power : 2,000,000
----- Shin Kikoho * : 12,000,000,000
Android #18
~ max power : 700,000,000 (infinitely)
Hour of decision
Future Trunks
post 1st year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 320,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 16,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2nd grade : 20,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3rd grade : 80,000,000,000
Vegeta
post 1st year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 344,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 17,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2nd grade : 21,500,000,000
----- Final Flash * : 107,500,000,000
Cell
~ 2nd form (initial suppression) : 12,000,000,000
~ 2nd form (full power) : 16,000,000,000
post Android #18 absorption
~ Perfect form (initial reading/fake ki output) : 20,000,000,000
~ Perfect form ('warming up' suppression) : 64,000,000,000
----- power weighted : 96,000,000,000
10 Days of Peace
Son Goku
post 1 year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 5,000,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan (50%) : 125,000,000,000
The Cell Games
Android #16
~ max power : 4,000,000,000 (infinitely)
Kamiccolo
post Room of Spirit and Time training
~ weighted : 120,000,000,000
~ full power : 140,000,000,000
Future Trunks
post 2nd year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 3,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 160,000,000,000
Vegeta
post 2nd year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 3,300,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 165,000,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 5,000,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan (warming up) : 62,500,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan (100%) : 250,000,000,000
----- Shunkan Ido Kamehameha * : 1,000,000,000,000
----- post full power Kamehameha : 203,000,000,000
----- exhausted vs Cell Juniors : 77,000,0000,000
Son Gohan
post 1 year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 6,600,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan : 330,000,000,000
~ controlled rage / Super Saiyan 2 : 1,650,000,000,000
----- standing Kamehameha : 5,000,000,000,000
----- Father-Son Kamehameha * : 6,600,000,000,000
Cell
~ Perfect form ('warming up' suppression) : 64,000,000,000
~ Perfect form (powered up suppression)
@ holding back speed : 275,000,000,000
----- in Twelve Eyes {4} : 68,750,000,000 {each}
----- Kamehameha : 550,000,000,000
----- post regeneration : 230,000,000,000
---------- Perfect Barrier * : 460,000,000,000
---------- post senzu bean : 275,000,000,000
@ all out speed : 330,000,000,000
~ Perfect form (full power) : 1,000,000,000,000
----- Ultimate Kamehameha * : 3,500,000,000,000
----- post full power Kamehameha & regeneration : 700,000,000,000
---------- power weighted : 1,200,000,000,000
post Android #18 regurgitation
~ 2nd form : 16,000,000,000
post self destruction zenkai
~ Perfect form ('Super Perfect') : 1,600,000,000,000
----- Piccolo Blast * : 2,000,000,000,000
----- Solar Kamehameha * : 6,400,000,000,000
Cell Juniors {7}
~ full power : 175,000,000,000 {each}
Free the Future
Future Trunks
~ base : 3,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 150,000,000,000
Future Android #18
~ full power : 460,000,000 (infinitely)
Future Android #17
~ full power : 460,000,000 (infinitely)
Future Cell
post hatching out of laboratory
~ larval form : 10
post 4 years evolution
~ 1st form : 600,000,000
post many humans absorbed in Future timeline
~ 1st form : 4,000,000,000
Buu arc
Hell
Ghurd
~ full power : 4,000,000
Recoome
~ full power : 4,000,000
Burter
~ full power : 4,000,000
Jeice
~ full power : 4,000,000
King Cold
~ full power : 120,000,000
Freeza
~ true form (full power) : 160,000,000
Cell
~ 'Super' Perfect form : 1,600,000,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 5,000,000,000
Paikūhan
~ weighted : 5,000,000,000
~ Blazing Shoot (weighted) : 1,825,000,000,000
Afterlife Budoukai
Olibu
~ full power : 4,500,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 5,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 250,000,000,000
~ Super Kaioken : 500,000,000,000
Paikūhan
~ weighted : 5,000,000,000
~ unweighted / full power : 260,000,000,000
~ Blazing Shoot (unweighted) : 2,080,000,000,000
25th Budoukai
Mr. Satan
~ full power : 20
Videl
~ full power : 27
Spopovich
~ full power : 35
Yamu
~ full power : 40
Android #18
~ full power : 700,000,000 (infinitely)
Kibit
~ full power : 1,000,000,000
Kaioshin
~ full power : 3,000,000,000
Kamiccolo
~ full power : 140,000,000,000
Son Goten
~ base : 640,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 32,000,000,000
Trunks
~ base : 680,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 34,000,000,000
Son Gohan
post 7 years of laziness
~ base : 4,800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 240,000,000,000
~ rage / Super Saiyan 2 : 1,200,000,000,000
Babidi (Take Out the Trash)
Kuririn
post 7 years of laziness
~ full power : 1,400,000
Kibit
~ full power : 1,000,000,000
Kamiccolo
~ full power : 140,000,000,000
Dabura
~ uber suppressed : 5,000,000,000
Babidi (Spaceship Confrontations)
Kaioshin
~ full power : 3,000,000,000
Son Gohan
~ base : 4,800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 240,000,000,000
Vegeta
post 7 years training on Earth
~ base : 5,600,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 280,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,400,000,000,000
Son Goku
post 7 years training in the afterlife
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan (suppressed light demonstration) : 30,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 (suppressed burst) : 1,440,000,000,000
Pocus
~ full power : 3,400,000,000
Yakon
~ full power : 8,000,000,000
Dabura
~ uber suppressed : 5,000,000,000
~ full power : 265,000,000,000
Babidi (The Dark Prince Returns)
Son Goku
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
Vegeta
post Majin charm power up
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
Majin Buu (The Hatching)
Kuririn
post 7 years of laziness
~ full power : 1,400,000
Kamiccolo
~ full power : 140,000,000,000
Kaioshin
~ full power : 3,000,000,000
Son Goten
~ base : 640,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 32,000,000,000
Trunks
~ base : 680,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 34,000,000,000
Son Gohan
~ base : 4,800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 240,000,000,000
----- Kamehameha * : 720,000,000,000
Dabura
~ full power : 265,000,000,000
Majin Vegeta
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
----- Final Explosion * : 27,000,000,000,000
Majin Buu
Dai Kaioshin & South Kaioshin absorbed
~ Fat (initial suppression) : 1,000,000,000,000
~ Fat (power up / Dabura smack) : 2,000,000,000,000
~ Fat (angry explosion / full power) : 15,000,000,000,000
Majin Buu (Havoc)
Kamiccolo
~ full power : 140,000,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 18,000,000,000,000
Trunks and Goten Metamorian fusion
Gotenks
~ base : 480,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 24,000,000,000,000
Majin Buu
~ Fat (full power) : 15,000,000,000,000
Kaioshin's faraway planet
Kibit
~ full power : 1,000,000,000
Kaioshin
~ full power : 3,000,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 7,200,000,000
Son Gohan
~ base : 4,800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 240,000,000,000
post Zeta Sword training
~ base : 280,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 14,000,000,000,000
~ rage / Super Saiyan 2 : 70,000,000,000,000
Fusion
Kamiccolo
~ full power : 140,000,000,000
Son Goten
post 2 weeks Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 1,960,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 98,000,000,000
Trunks
post 2 weeks Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 2,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 100,000,000,000
Vegeta
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 18,000,000,000,000
Gotenks
post 2 weeks Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 140,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 7,000,000,000,000,000
----- Super Ghost Kamikaze * : 17,500,000,000,000,000 {each}
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 350,000,000,000,000,000
Son Gohan
post Elder Kaioshin's potential unlocked
~ Ultimate : 500,000,000,000,000,000
Goku and Vegeta Porta fusion
Vegetto
~ base : 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 50,000,000,000,000,000,000
----- candy form : 50,000,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 250,000,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 2,500,000,000,000,000,000,000
Majin Buu
~ Fat (full power) : 15,000,000,000,000
Evil released
~ Fat (good full power) : 6,000,000,000,000
~ Evil (Bad full power) : 9,000,000,000,000
Evil absorbs Fat Buu
~ Super (sensible ki) : 150,000,000,000,000
~ Super (suppressed) : 10,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super (dimension breaking rage/full power) : 300,000,000,000,000,000
Super absorbs SSJ3 Gotenks & Kamiccolo
~ Super (Buutenks) : 650,000,000,000,000,000
Gotenks' fusion wears off
~ Super (Buucollo) : 300,000,000,000,000,000
Super absorbs Ultimate Gohan
~ Super (Buuhan) : 800,000,000,000,000,000
Kid Buu
Mr. Satan
~ full power : 20
Vegeta
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 18,000,000,000,000
Majin Buu
removal of all influence
~ Kid : 17,500,000,000,000
End Of Z
Mr. Satan
post 10 years of aging
~ full power : 16
Mr. Buu
~ Fat : 6,000,000,000,000
Oob
Kid Buu reincarnated
~ enraged : 17,500,000,000,000
Son Goku
post 10 years training
~ base : 17,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 850,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 4,250,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 42,500,000,000,000,000
Son Gohan
~ Ultimate : 500,000,000,000,000,000
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Notes
Red font = amplified ki attack.
Asterisk * = ki blast attack is fully charged.
Aqua font = defensive ki amplifying technique.
Silver font = fighter is capable of displaying power but never does.
Small Golden font = reason for power change.
Multpliers
Kaio states
Kaioken = 2x Goku's base power
Kaioken x 3 = 3x Goku's base power
Kaioken x 4 = 4x Goku's base power
Kaioken x 5 = 5x Goku's base power
Kaioken x 10 = 10x Goku's base power
Kaioken x 20 = 20x Goku's base power
Super Kaioken = 100x Goku's base power (or 2x Goku's Super Saiyan)
Blazing Shoot = _x Paikūhan's max power
* The Kaioken technique is a ki amplifying state created by North Kaio-sama. Goku is the only known user as not even Kaio-sama himself could master it. The Kaioken increases battle power by the figure Goku chooses and the standard Kaioken increases battle power 2 fold. As the series and Goku progresses, Goku learns to put out even higher grades and the lower grades become near stress-less on his body to a point where he can fight in a 10 fold Kaioken for long periods of time. Once Goku acquires the Super Saiyan transformation though, Kaioken becomes irrelavent and the Super Saiyan transformation increases battle power far more than even the maximum Kaioken he could ever manage which was 20 fold. Super Saiyan also put far less stress on his body so Kaioken was abandoned. When Goku dies a second time and travels to the Other World and trains with Kaio-sama once agaain, he learns the ultimate "Super Kaioken" which increases his battle power 100 fold which is even higher than his Super Saiyan transformation. However, Kaioken once again becomes irrelavent as Goku acquires the Super Saiyan 2 transformation.
* The Blazing Shoot is a ki amplifying state of the West Kaio, Paikūhan's trainer. Extremely similar to the North Kaio's Kaioken, it increases Paikūhan's maximum battle power a whopping _ fold. And as Pikkon's max battle power during his match with Goku had around the same battle power as Goku in Super Saiyan, means the Blazing Shoot would indeed be even more powerful in ki output than a theoretical Super Saiyan 2 state of Goku. Paikūhan is only shown to display this technique one time, during his visit to Hell against 'Super' Perfect Cell.
Saiyan transformations
Oozaru = 10x Saiyan's base power
Super Saiyan = 50x Saiyan's base power
Super Saiyan 2nd grade = 62.5x Saiyan's base power (1.25x SSJ)
Super Saiyan 3rd grade = 250x Saiyan's base power (4x SSJG2 or 5x SSJ)
Super Saiyan 2 = 250x Saiyan's base power (5x SSJ)
Super Saiyan 3 = 2,500x Saiyan's base power (10x SSJ2 or 50x SSJ)
Legendary Super Saiyan = 15,000x Broly's base power (300x Super Saiyan)
* The Super Saiyan 2nd grade is beyond Super Saiyan, though a relatively effective fighting form, it suffers heavy ki drain and is also somewhat stressful on the user's body. It also suffers very slight speed loss though would be almost unnoticeable unless it was compared to another Super Saiyan forms at equal/rivaling ki output, where it would indeed likely slightly lag behind.
* The Super Saiyan 3rd grade is also beyond Super Saiyan. It takes what the Super Saiyan 2nd Grade state does, and pushes the increases in ki and energy consompution to absurd levels which cause the muscles to totally bulge which results in a drastic loss in speed and also stamina. It is essentially a failed attempt to go far beyond Super Saiyan, the correct transformation is the Super Saiyan 2 transformation which can handle the ki increases the Super Saiyan 3rd grade transformation has without any drawbacks.
Ki amplifying energy blast techniques
Ki amplifying techniques are energy blasts where a user amplifies his own ki into a point, then bursts it out towards his target in an offensive attack. Generally they require charge time which can be a draw back in battle...some more-so than others.
Goku and Gohan
Kamehameha (Saiyan-Freeza arc) = 2.22x [in Kaioken = 1.125-1.25x] / (Android/Cell-Buu arc) = 4x
Vegeta
Gyarikku Hou = 1.5x
Final Crash = 1.5x
Final Burst Cannon = 1.5x
Big Bang attack = 1.75x
Final Flash = 5x
Atomic Blast = 1.5x
Final Explosion (suicide explosion) = 15x
Piccolo
Makankôsappô = 3.64x
Gekiretsu Kôdan = 3.5x
Piccolo Blast = 1.33x
Masenko = 1.2x
Tenshinhan
Kikoho = 1.5x
Shin Kikoho = 10,000x
Chaouzu
Farewell, Tenshinhan (suicide explosion) : 2.5x
Kururin
Scattering Bullet = 1.25x {small blasts} - 1.33x {big blast}
Gotenks
Super Ghost Kamikaze = 2.5x
Recoome
Eraser Gun = 1.25x
Jeice
Cruser Ball = 1.33x
Freeza
Death Beam = 1.2x
King Cold
King Cold Death Beam = 1.33x
Coola
Super Nova = 1.33x
* all numerical figures represent attacks when fully charged. If there is no * then the ki amplifying attack was not fully charged.
1st form Cell has the Saiyan arc Kamehameha amplifier (2.22x), as the blood sample of Goku that was to be incorporated in his DNA code was taken during the Saiyan arc. However, his techniques are suggested to be improved when he becomes Perfect (3.5x). And after his botched self destruct, Cell reabsorbed Goku's cells, where he not only learned Goku's Shunkan Idō technique, but also instantly learned the Kamehameha Goku has mastered to that point which has a superior (4x) amplifier.
Battle with Raditz
Farmer
~ full power : 5
Piccolo
beginning of Z
~ with weights : 322
~ full power : 408
----- 1st Makankosappo : 1,330
----- 2nd Makankosappo * : 1,485
Son Goku
beginning of Z
~ with weights : 334
~ full power : 416
----- Kamehameha * : 924
Son Gohan
beginning of Z
~ afraid : 1
~ angry : 710
~ enraged : 1,307
Raditz
beginning of Z
~ full power : 1,200
Pre preparation
Urigome
~ full power : 0.001
Muten Roshi
beginning of Z
~ full power : 139
Chaozu
beginning of Z
~ full power : 145
Yajirobe
beginning of Z
~ full power : 160
Yamcha
beginning of Z
~ full power : 177
Kuririn
beginning of Z
~ full power : 206
Tenshinhan
beginning of Z
~ full power : 250
Piccolo
post several days training after Goku's death
~ with weights : 329
Battle with Nappa and Vegeta
Yajirobe
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~ full power : 640
Chaozu
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~ full power : 1,000
----- Farewell, Tenshinhan (suicide)* : 2,000
Yamcha
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~ full power: 1,320
----- Kamehameha : 1,620
Kuririn
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~ suppressed : 1,083
~ full power : 1,400
----- Scattering Bullet * : 1,820 {big blast}, 1,750 {small blasts}
Tenshinhan
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~ full power : 1,700
----- Kikoho * : 2,550
Piccolo
post 1 year Saiyan preparation training with Gohan
~ suppressed : 1,220
~ full power : 2,000
Son Gohan
post 1 year Saiyan preparation training with Piccolo
~ normal : 981
~ enraged : 2,800
~ Ōzaru : 9,810
Son Goku
post Kaio-sama's training
~ suppressed : 5,000
~ full power : 8,000+
~ Kaioken : 16,000+
~ Kaioken x 3 : 24,000+
----- Kamehameha * : 27,000
~ Kaioken x 4 : 32,000+
----- Kamehameha * : 36,000
Saibamen {6}
~ full power : 1,200 {each}
Nappa
arrival on Earth
~ pre brawl : 2,750
~ powered up against Z Senshi : 4,000
~ full power : 7,500
Vegeta
arrival on Earth
~ full power : 18,000
----- Gyarikku Hou * : 27,000
~ Ōzaru : 180,000
Freeza arc
Pre blastoff
Son Goku
post Vegeta battle zenkai
~ full power : 11,000
Arrival on Namek
Banan and Sūi
~ full power : 900 {each}
Kuririn
~ weighted : 1,500
Son Gohan
post Vegeta battle zenkai
~ normal : 1,500
Cui
~ full power : 18,000
Vegeta
post Earth battle zenkai
~ full power : 24,000
Turmoil on Namek
Kuririn
~ weighted : 1,500
Son Gohan
~ normal : 1,500
Dende
~ normal : 200
Namek warriors {3}
~ suppressed : 1,000 {each}
~ true power : 3,000 {each}
Freeza soldiers
~ full power : 1,800 {each}
Orlen
~ full power : 2,000
Appule
~ full power : 2,300
Dodoria
~ full power : 20,000
Zarbon
~ handsome : 22,000
~ monster : 28,000
Vegeta
~ full power : 24,000
post 1st Zarbon fight zenkai
~ full power : 30,000
Battle with The Ginyu Force
Kuririn
post Guru awakening
~ full power : 10,000+
Son Gohan
post Guru awakening
~ normal : 10,000+
~ angry : 20,000+
Vegeta
~ full power : 30,000+
Son Goku
post 100x gravity training
~ extremely suppressed : 5,000
~ against Ginyu Force : bursts of 60,000
~ full power : 90,000
~ Kaioken : 180,000
~ Kaioken x 10 : 900,000
Ghurd
~ full power : 6,000
Recoome
~ full power : 40,000
Burter
~ full power : 40,000
Jeice
~ full power : 40,000
Captain Ginyu
~ suppressed : 65,000
~ full power : 120,000
Ginyu trickery
Jeice
~ full power : 40,000
Captain Ginyu
post 1st body swap
~ in Goku's body : 23,000-
post 2nd body swap
~ in frog : 0.007
Kuririn
~ full power : 10,000+
Son Gohan
post Recoome fight zenkai
~ initial : 25,000+
Vegeta
post Recoome fight zenkai
~ initial : 50,000
Nail's sacrifice
Elite Namek warriors {3}
~ full power : 10,000 {each}
Nail
~ suppressed: 10,000
~ full power : 42,000
Freeza
~ 1st form : 530,000
Battle with Freeza
Kuririn
~ full power : 10,000+
Piccolo
post Kaio-sama's training
~ with weights : 300,000
post Nail assimilation
~ with weights : 1,200,000
~ full power : 1,400,000
Son Gohan
post Ginyu battle zenkai and rest
~ normal : 275,000
~ enraged : 1,100,000
post 2nd form Freeza beatdown zenkai
~ normal : 420,000
~ enraged : 1,680,000
Vegeta
post Recoome fight zenkai
~ after nap / full power : 480,000
post Kuririn blast zenkai
~ full power : 2,250,000
----- Final Burst Canon * : 2,750,000
Son Goku
post Ginyu swap zenkai
~ full power | base : 3,000,000
----- Genki Dama : 100,000,000
~ Kaioken x 10 : 30,000,000
~ Kaioken x 20 : 60,000,000
----- Kamehameha : 80,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 150,000,000
Freeza
~ 1st form : 530,000
~ 2nd form (initial suppression) : 1,060,000
~ 2nd form (full strength) : 1,270,000
~ 3rd form : 1,800,000
~ True form (initial suppression) : 3,300,000
~ True form (50%) : 70,000,000
~ True form (70%) : 98,000,000
~ True form (100%) : 140,000,000
Kaio-sama's planet
Ghurd
~ full power : 6,000
Recoome
~ full power : 40,000
Burter
~ full power : 40,000
Jeice
~ full power : 40,000
Chaozu
post Kaio-sama's training at arrival of Ginyu Force on Kaio's planet
~ full power : 7,400
Yamcha
post Kaio-sama's training at arrival of Ginyu Force on Kaio's planet
~ full power : 50,000
Tenshinhan
post Kaio-sama's training at arrival of Ginyu Force on Kaio's planet
~ full power : 110,000
----- in 6 eyes {2} : 55,000 {each}
Cell arc
Freeza's revenge
Piccolo
post 1 year & 260 days training on Earth after Namek battle
~ weights : 3,500,000
~ full power : 4,000,000
Vegeta
post 1 year & 260 days training on Earth and in space after Namek battle
~ full power : 4,200,000
Future Trunks
~ extremely suppressed : 5
~ base : 4,500,000
~ Super Saiyan : 225,000,000
Son Goku
post 1 year & 260 days training on planet Yadrat
~ base : 5,500,000
~ Super Saiyan : 275,000,000
Freeza
post cybernetic enhancement power up
~ Mecha form (70%) : 112,000,000
----- Super Nova * : 150,000,000
~ Mecha form (100%) : 160,000,000
King Cold
~ full power : 120,000,000
The History of Trunks
Future Son Gohan
~ base : 3,200,000
~ Super Saiyan : 160,000,000
post arm amputation & training
~ base : 4,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 200,000,000
Future Trunks
age 14
~ base : 2,800,000
~ Super Saiyan : 140,000,000
age 17 / 3 years after Gohan's death
~ base : 4,500,000
~ Super Saiyan : 225,000,000
Future Android #18
~ full power : 460,000,000 (infinitely)
Future Android #17
~ 40% : 184,000,000 (infinitely)
~ full power : 460,000,000 (infinitely)
Battle with the Androids
Son Goku
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~ base : 9,500,000
~ Super Saiyan (sick) : 300,000,000
~ Super Saiyan (full power) : 475,000,000
Future Trunks
post 3 years Androids preparation training in Future
~ base : 8,800,000
~ Super Saiyan : 440,000,000
Vegeta
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~ full power | base : 10,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 500,000,000
----- Big Bang Attack * : 875,000,000
Piccolo
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~ suppressed : 40,000,000
~ full power : 400,000,000
post re-merged with Kami-sama
Kamiccolo
~ weights : 700,000,000
~ full power : 800,000,000
Android #20 (Dr. Gero)
post Android conversion / initial
~ max power : 270,000,000
post ki absorptions
~ max power : 315,000,000
Android #19
initial
~ max power : 250,000,000
post ki absorptions
~ max power : 350,000,000
Android #18
~ max power : 700,000,000 (infinitely)
Android #17
~ max power : 775,000,000 (infinitely)
Android #21, Cell
Kamiccolo
~ weights : 700,000,000
----- post arm absorbed : 675,000,000
Cell
post 4 years evolution / hatching
~ 1st form (arrival) : 600,000,000
----- Kamehameha * : 1,332,000,000
----- post Piccolo's arm absorbed : 625,000,000
The Quest for Perfection
Kamiccolo
~ full power : 800,000,000
----- Kakusan Yūdō Kikoha * : 1,000,000,000
----- worn out : 750,000,000
---------- Gekiretsu Kodan * : 2,625,000,000
Android #17
~ max power : 775,000,000 (infinitely)
----- Barrier * : 1,300,000,000
Android #16
~ max power : 4,000,000,000 (infinitely)
----- Hell's Flash * : 5,000,000,000
Cell
post mass humans absorbed
~ 1st form (human souls power up) : 4,000,000,000
post Android #17 absorption
~ 2nd form (initial suppression) : 12,000,000,000
Tenshinhan
~ full power : 2,000,000
----- Shin Kikoho * : 12,000,000,000
Android #18
~ max power : 700,000,000 (infinitely)
Hour of decision
Future Trunks
post 1st year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 320,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 16,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2nd grade : 20,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3rd grade : 80,000,000,000
Vegeta
post 1st year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 344,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 17,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2nd grade : 21,500,000,000
----- Final Flash * : 107,500,000,000
Cell
~ 2nd form (initial suppression) : 12,000,000,000
~ 2nd form (full power) : 16,000,000,000
post Android #18 absorption
~ Perfect form (initial reading/fake ki output) : 20,000,000,000
~ Perfect form ('warming up' suppression) : 64,000,000,000
----- power weighted : 96,000,000,000
10 Days of Peace
Son Goku
post 1 year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 5,000,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan (50%) : 125,000,000,000
The Cell Games
Android #16
~ max power : 4,000,000,000 (infinitely)
Kamiccolo
post Room of Spirit and Time training
~ weighted : 120,000,000,000
~ full power : 140,000,000,000
Future Trunks
post 2nd year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 3,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 160,000,000,000
Vegeta
post 2nd year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 3,300,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 165,000,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 5,000,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan (warming up) : 62,500,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan (100%) : 250,000,000,000
----- Shunkan Ido Kamehameha * : 1,000,000,000,000
----- post full power Kamehameha : 203,000,000,000
----- exhausted vs Cell Juniors : 77,000,0000,000
Son Gohan
post 1 year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 6,600,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan : 330,000,000,000
~ controlled rage / Super Saiyan 2 : 1,650,000,000,000
----- standing Kamehameha : 5,000,000,000,000
----- Father-Son Kamehameha * : 6,600,000,000,000
Cell
~ Perfect form ('warming up' suppression) : 64,000,000,000
~ Perfect form (powered up suppression)
@ holding back speed : 275,000,000,000
----- in Twelve Eyes {4} : 68,750,000,000 {each}
----- Kamehameha : 550,000,000,000
----- post regeneration : 230,000,000,000
---------- Perfect Barrier * : 460,000,000,000
---------- post senzu bean : 275,000,000,000
@ all out speed : 330,000,000,000
~ Perfect form (full power) : 1,000,000,000,000
----- Ultimate Kamehameha * : 3,500,000,000,000
----- post full power Kamehameha & regeneration : 700,000,000,000
---------- power weighted : 1,200,000,000,000
post Android #18 regurgitation
~ 2nd form : 16,000,000,000
post self destruction zenkai
~ Perfect form ('Super Perfect') : 1,600,000,000,000
----- Piccolo Blast * : 2,000,000,000,000
----- Solar Kamehameha * : 6,400,000,000,000
Cell Juniors {7}
~ full power : 175,000,000,000 {each}
Free the Future
Future Trunks
~ base : 3,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 150,000,000,000
Future Android #18
~ full power : 460,000,000 (infinitely)
Future Android #17
~ full power : 460,000,000 (infinitely)
Future Cell
post hatching out of laboratory
~ larval form : 10
post 4 years evolution
~ 1st form : 600,000,000
post many humans absorbed in Future timeline
~ 1st form : 4,000,000,000
Buu arc
Hell
Ghurd
~ full power : 4,000,000
Recoome
~ full power : 4,000,000
Burter
~ full power : 4,000,000
Jeice
~ full power : 4,000,000
King Cold
~ full power : 120,000,000
Freeza
~ true form (full power) : 160,000,000
Cell
~ 'Super' Perfect form : 1,600,000,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 5,000,000,000
Paikūhan
~ weighted : 5,000,000,000
~ Blazing Shoot (weighted) : 1,825,000,000,000
Afterlife Budoukai
Olibu
~ full power : 4,500,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 5,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 250,000,000,000
~ Super Kaioken : 500,000,000,000
Paikūhan
~ weighted : 5,000,000,000
~ unweighted / full power : 260,000,000,000
~ Blazing Shoot (unweighted) : 2,080,000,000,000
25th Budoukai
Mr. Satan
~ full power : 20
Videl
~ full power : 27
Spopovich
~ full power : 35
Yamu
~ full power : 40
Android #18
~ full power : 700,000,000 (infinitely)
Kibit
~ full power : 1,000,000,000
Kaioshin
~ full power : 3,000,000,000
Kamiccolo
~ full power : 140,000,000,000
Son Goten
~ base : 640,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 32,000,000,000
Trunks
~ base : 680,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 34,000,000,000
Son Gohan
post 7 years of laziness
~ base : 4,800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 240,000,000,000
~ rage / Super Saiyan 2 : 1,200,000,000,000
Babidi (Take Out the Trash)
Kuririn
post 7 years of laziness
~ full power : 1,400,000
Kibit
~ full power : 1,000,000,000
Kamiccolo
~ full power : 140,000,000,000
Dabura
~ uber suppressed : 5,000,000,000
Babidi (Spaceship Confrontations)
Kaioshin
~ full power : 3,000,000,000
Son Gohan
~ base : 4,800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 240,000,000,000
Vegeta
post 7 years training on Earth
~ base : 5,600,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 280,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,400,000,000,000
Son Goku
post 7 years training in the afterlife
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan (suppressed light demonstration) : 30,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 (suppressed burst) : 1,440,000,000,000
Pocus
~ full power : 3,400,000,000
Yakon
~ full power : 8,000,000,000
Dabura
~ uber suppressed : 5,000,000,000
~ full power : 265,000,000,000
Babidi (The Dark Prince Returns)
Son Goku
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
Vegeta
post Majin charm power up
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
Majin Buu (The Hatching)
Kuririn
post 7 years of laziness
~ full power : 1,400,000
Kamiccolo
~ full power : 140,000,000,000
Kaioshin
~ full power : 3,000,000,000
Son Goten
~ base : 640,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 32,000,000,000
Trunks
~ base : 680,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 34,000,000,000
Son Gohan
~ base : 4,800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 240,000,000,000
----- Kamehameha * : 720,000,000,000
Dabura
~ full power : 265,000,000,000
Majin Vegeta
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
----- Final Explosion * : 27,000,000,000,000
Majin Buu
Dai Kaioshin & South Kaioshin absorbed
~ Fat (initial suppression) : 1,000,000,000,000
~ Fat (power up / Dabura smack) : 2,000,000,000,000
~ Fat (angry explosion / full power) : 15,000,000,000,000
Majin Buu (Havoc)
Kamiccolo
~ full power : 140,000,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 18,000,000,000,000
Trunks and Goten Metamorian fusion
Gotenks
~ base : 480,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 24,000,000,000,000
Majin Buu
~ Fat (full power) : 15,000,000,000,000
Kaioshin's faraway planet
Kibit
~ full power : 1,000,000,000
Kaioshin
~ full power : 3,000,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 7,200,000,000
Son Gohan
~ base : 4,800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 240,000,000,000
post Zeta Sword training
~ base : 280,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 14,000,000,000,000
~ rage / Super Saiyan 2 : 70,000,000,000,000
Fusion
Kamiccolo
~ full power : 140,000,000,000
Son Goten
post 2 weeks Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 1,960,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 98,000,000,000
Trunks
post 2 weeks Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 2,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 100,000,000,000
Vegeta
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 18,000,000,000,000
Gotenks
post 2 weeks Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 140,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 7,000,000,000,000,000
----- Super Ghost Kamikaze * : 17,500,000,000,000,000 {each}
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 350,000,000,000,000,000
Son Gohan
post Elder Kaioshin's potential unlocked
~ Ultimate : 500,000,000,000,000,000
Goku and Vegeta Porta fusion
Vegetto
~ base : 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 50,000,000,000,000,000,000
----- candy form : 50,000,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 250,000,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 2,500,000,000,000,000,000,000
Majin Buu
~ Fat (full power) : 15,000,000,000,000
Evil released
~ Fat (good full power) : 6,000,000,000,000
~ Evil (Bad full power) : 9,000,000,000,000
Evil absorbs Fat Buu
~ Super (sensible ki) : 150,000,000,000,000
~ Super (suppressed) : 10,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super (dimension breaking rage/full power) : 300,000,000,000,000,000
Super absorbs SSJ3 Gotenks & Kamiccolo
~ Super (Buutenks) : 650,000,000,000,000,000
Gotenks' fusion wears off
~ Super (Buucollo) : 300,000,000,000,000,000
Super absorbs Ultimate Gohan
~ Super (Buuhan) : 800,000,000,000,000,000
Kid Buu
Mr. Satan
~ full power : 20
Vegeta
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
Son Goku
~ base : 7,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 1,800,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 18,000,000,000,000
Majin Buu
removal of all influence
~ Kid : 17,500,000,000,000
End Of Z
Mr. Satan
post 10 years of aging
~ full power : 16
Mr. Buu
~ Fat : 6,000,000,000,000
Oob
Kid Buu reincarnated
~ enraged : 17,500,000,000,000
Son Goku
post 10 years training
~ base : 17,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 850,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 4,250,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 42,500,000,000,000,000
Son Gohan
~ Ultimate : 500,000,000,000,000,000
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Notes
Red font = amplified ki attack.
Asterisk * = ki blast attack is fully charged.
Aqua font = defensive ki amplifying technique.
Silver font = fighter is capable of displaying power but never does.
Small Golden font = reason for power change.
Multpliers
Kaio states
Kaioken = 2x Goku's base power
Kaioken x 3 = 3x Goku's base power
Kaioken x 4 = 4x Goku's base power
Kaioken x 5 = 5x Goku's base power
Kaioken x 10 = 10x Goku's base power
Kaioken x 20 = 20x Goku's base power
Super Kaioken = 100x Goku's base power (or 2x Goku's Super Saiyan)
Blazing Shoot = _x Paikūhan's max power
* The Kaioken technique is a ki amplifying state created by North Kaio-sama. Goku is the only known user as not even Kaio-sama himself could master it. The Kaioken increases battle power by the figure Goku chooses and the standard Kaioken increases battle power 2 fold. As the series and Goku progresses, Goku learns to put out even higher grades and the lower grades become near stress-less on his body to a point where he can fight in a 10 fold Kaioken for long periods of time. Once Goku acquires the Super Saiyan transformation though, Kaioken becomes irrelavent and the Super Saiyan transformation increases battle power far more than even the maximum Kaioken he could ever manage which was 20 fold. Super Saiyan also put far less stress on his body so Kaioken was abandoned. When Goku dies a second time and travels to the Other World and trains with Kaio-sama once agaain, he learns the ultimate "Super Kaioken" which increases his battle power 100 fold which is even higher than his Super Saiyan transformation. However, Kaioken once again becomes irrelavent as Goku acquires the Super Saiyan 2 transformation.
* The Blazing Shoot is a ki amplifying state of the West Kaio, Paikūhan's trainer. Extremely similar to the North Kaio's Kaioken, it increases Paikūhan's maximum battle power a whopping _ fold. And as Pikkon's max battle power during his match with Goku had around the same battle power as Goku in Super Saiyan, means the Blazing Shoot would indeed be even more powerful in ki output than a theoretical Super Saiyan 2 state of Goku. Paikūhan is only shown to display this technique one time, during his visit to Hell against 'Super' Perfect Cell.
Saiyan transformations
Oozaru = 10x Saiyan's base power
Super Saiyan = 50x Saiyan's base power
Super Saiyan 2nd grade = 62.5x Saiyan's base power (1.25x SSJ)
Super Saiyan 3rd grade = 250x Saiyan's base power (4x SSJG2 or 5x SSJ)
Super Saiyan 2 = 250x Saiyan's base power (5x SSJ)
Super Saiyan 3 = 2,500x Saiyan's base power (10x SSJ2 or 50x SSJ)
Legendary Super Saiyan = 15,000x Broly's base power (300x Super Saiyan)
* The Super Saiyan 2nd grade is beyond Super Saiyan, though a relatively effective fighting form, it suffers heavy ki drain and is also somewhat stressful on the user's body. It also suffers very slight speed loss though would be almost unnoticeable unless it was compared to another Super Saiyan forms at equal/rivaling ki output, where it would indeed likely slightly lag behind.
* The Super Saiyan 3rd grade is also beyond Super Saiyan. It takes what the Super Saiyan 2nd Grade state does, and pushes the increases in ki and energy consompution to absurd levels which cause the muscles to totally bulge which results in a drastic loss in speed and also stamina. It is essentially a failed attempt to go far beyond Super Saiyan, the correct transformation is the Super Saiyan 2 transformation which can handle the ki increases the Super Saiyan 3rd grade transformation has without any drawbacks.
Ki amplifying energy blast techniques
Ki amplifying techniques are energy blasts where a user amplifies his own ki into a point, then bursts it out towards his target in an offensive attack. Generally they require charge time which can be a draw back in battle...some more-so than others.
Goku and Gohan
Kamehameha (Saiyan-Freeza arc) = 2.22x [in Kaioken = 1.125-1.25x] / (Android/Cell-Buu arc) = 4x
Vegeta
Gyarikku Hou = 1.5x
Final Crash = 1.5x
Final Burst Cannon = 1.5x
Big Bang attack = 1.75x
Final Flash = 5x
Atomic Blast = 1.5x
Final Explosion (suicide explosion) = 15x
Piccolo
Makankôsappô = 3.64x
Gekiretsu Kôdan = 3.5x
Piccolo Blast = 1.33x
Masenko = 1.2x
Tenshinhan
Kikoho = 1.5x
Shin Kikoho = 10,000x
Chaouzu
Farewell, Tenshinhan (suicide explosion) : 2.5x
Kururin
Scattering Bullet = 1.25x {small blasts} - 1.33x {big blast}
Gotenks
Super Ghost Kamikaze = 2.5x
Recoome
Eraser Gun = 1.25x
Jeice
Cruser Ball = 1.33x
Freeza
Death Beam = 1.2x
King Cold
King Cold Death Beam = 1.33x
Coola
Super Nova = 1.33x
* all numerical figures represent attacks when fully charged. If there is no * then the ki amplifying attack was not fully charged.
1st form Cell has the Saiyan arc Kamehameha amplifier (2.22x), as the blood sample of Goku that was to be incorporated in his DNA code was taken during the Saiyan arc. However, his techniques are suggested to be improved when he becomes Perfect (3.5x). And after his botched self destruct, Cell reabsorbed Goku's cells, where he not only learned Goku's Shunkan Idō technique, but also instantly learned the Kamehameha Goku has mastered to that point which has a superior (4x) amplifier.
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Freeza's full power is 120,000,000. 140,000,000 is denied by the Daizenshuu 7 which states Freeza's half power is 60,000,000 at max. Your levels are also too high according to BoG which states base Goku isn't stronger than Freeza. You also ignored the official SSJ Multipliers. They are actually 50x base, 100x base, and 400x base.
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Those aren't canon sources so it's pretty irrelavent.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Freeza's full power is 120,000,000. 140,000,000 is denied by the Daizenshuu 7 which states Freeza's half power is 60,000,000 at max. Your levels are also too high according to BoG which states base Goku isn't stronger than Freeza.
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Victorious wrote:Those aren't canon sources so it's pretty irrelavent.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Freeza's full power is 120,000,000. 140,000,000 is denied by the Daizenshuu 7 which states Freeza's half power is 60,000,000 at max. Your levels are also too high according to BoG which states base Goku isn't stronger than Freeza.
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There is no canon.Victorious wrote:Those aren't canon sources so it's pretty irrelavent.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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The canon is the manga. Duhh.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:There is no canon.Victorious wrote:Those aren't canon sources so it's pretty irrelavent.
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Neither were written solely by AT so they arent canon.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Victorious wrote:Those aren't canon sources so it's pretty irrelavent.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Freeza's full power is 120,000,000. 140,000,000 is denied by the Daizenshuu 7 which states Freeza's half power is 60,000,000 at max. Your levels are also too high according to BoG which states base Goku isn't stronger than Freeza.
.. BoG is stated to be part of the official history and the Daizenshuus are supported by Toriyama. It's official material.
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The manga may be the staple but there can be other things added to it. In the Daizenshuu 6, Toriyama states that anything he didn't specifically create is in another timeline. In otherwords everything is potentially canon thanks to the Multiverse rule.Victorious wrote:The canon is the manga. Duhh.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:There is no canon.Victorious wrote:Those aren't canon sources so it's pretty irrelavent.
Bardock wasn't made by Toriyama either yet he is in the MangaVictorious wrote:Neither were written solely by AT so they arent canon.
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Freeza's 120 battle power is directly contracted by the manga events...unless Goku's battle power is lower than 150 million. Freeza has to be more than 80% of Goku. Too many counter examples in the manga to have full power Freeza at 80% of Super Saiyan Goku.
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Umm no, the Daizenshuus imply if the Kaioken multiplier is superior to the attack multiplier, it won't stack. Furthermore, Freeza is buffed and is durable as hell. His strength and durability is probably what allowed him to hold his own against Goku for a bit. These levels work, nuff said.Victorious wrote:Freeza's 120 battle power is directly contracted by the manga events...unless Goku's battle power is lower than 150 million. Freeza has to be more than 80% of Goku. Too many counter examples in the manga to have full power Freeza at 80% of Super Saiyan Goku.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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And the "preconceptions about power gaps" problem rears its ugly head again...Victorious wrote:Freeza's 120 battle power is directly contracted by the manga events...unless Goku's battle power is lower than 150 million. Freeza has to be more than 80% of Goku. Too many counter examples in the manga to have full power Freeza at 80% of Super Saiyan Goku.
These are action shonen manga battles, not precise math equations.<A> not being able to put up a fight against <B> with a power gap of <X> does not automatically mean that <Y> can't put up a fight against <Z> with the same power gap of <X>. Vegeta's battles with Kwi, Dodoria, and Zarbon have little to zero bearing on Goku's fight with Freeza.
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Why is Raditz 1,200? He heavily implied that he was over 1,307 and IIRC Toriyama himself said that Raditz was decently stronger than a Saibaman.
Why can Nappa change his power level? Nobody at the time but the Earthlings was able to do that. Furthermore how the hell did he suppress himself to 1/3 of his power? Forget what was repeatedly stated in the manga, Nappa apparently has ki control that puts our heroes to shame. On top of that, he's for some reason at 7,500, even though he got speed blitzed by someone at 5,000 and couldn't even slightly trouble Goku. You'd think that if they were equals, Nappa could at least land a hit or make Goku use just a little bit of effort... but nope, Goku just casually stomps him the entire time, all the while talking down to him and treating him like a 5 year old. By the time Goku casually deflects Nappa's greatest technique effortlessly at point blank range, all Nappa can do is stare in awe.
Why are Freeza and Goku equals? Goku pretty much kicked his ass, even though Freeza had haxxed durability and good techniques. It seemed closer to Vegeta vs Recoome than anything. In fact that's the closest battle to it all overall in just about every way.
Furthermore, what's with the arbitrary "someone has to be THIS strong to do this, always" mentality? Is there never, ever any condition in a battle besides numbers? Toriyama pretty clearly goes out of his way several times to show that, while pure power is of course important, you can't reduce a battle to formulas. And your list isn't at all consistent with such formulas anyway, since you have Vegeta putting up a good fight against Recoome, almost as good as the one Freeza put up against Goku, but being thrashed by Monster Zarbon, who doesn't even have an 80% gap on him.
Why can Nappa change his power level? Nobody at the time but the Earthlings was able to do that. Furthermore how the hell did he suppress himself to 1/3 of his power? Forget what was repeatedly stated in the manga, Nappa apparently has ki control that puts our heroes to shame. On top of that, he's for some reason at 7,500, even though he got speed blitzed by someone at 5,000 and couldn't even slightly trouble Goku. You'd think that if they were equals, Nappa could at least land a hit or make Goku use just a little bit of effort... but nope, Goku just casually stomps him the entire time, all the while talking down to him and treating him like a 5 year old. By the time Goku casually deflects Nappa's greatest technique effortlessly at point blank range, all Nappa can do is stare in awe.
Why are Freeza and Goku equals? Goku pretty much kicked his ass, even though Freeza had haxxed durability and good techniques. It seemed closer to Vegeta vs Recoome than anything. In fact that's the closest battle to it all overall in just about every way.
Furthermore, what's with the arbitrary "someone has to be THIS strong to do this, always" mentality? Is there never, ever any condition in a battle besides numbers? Toriyama pretty clearly goes out of his way several times to show that, while pure power is of course important, you can't reduce a battle to formulas. And your list isn't at all consistent with such formulas anyway, since you have Vegeta putting up a good fight against Recoome, almost as good as the one Freeza put up against Goku, but being thrashed by Monster Zarbon, who doesn't even have an 80% gap on him.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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18k Vegeta vs KKx2 16k Goku
KKx3 Goku vs 18k Vegeta
24k Vegeta vs 18k Cui
24k Vegeta vs >18k Dodoria
24k Vegeta vs >18k Zarbon
<30k monster Zarbon vs 24k Vegeta
kinda kill any chance of Freeza being 80% of Goku. Id find it very hard to belive Goku's gap on Freeza is bigger or as big as Vegeta's gap on Dodoria. That's just laughable
KKx3 Goku vs 18k Vegeta
24k Vegeta vs 18k Cui
24k Vegeta vs >18k Dodoria
24k Vegeta vs >18k Zarbon
<30k monster Zarbon vs 24k Vegeta
kinda kill any chance of Freeza being 80% of Goku. Id find it very hard to belive Goku's gap on Freeza is bigger or as big as Vegeta's gap on Dodoria. That's just laughable
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Yeah, Vegeta had the upper hand, forcing Goku to use x3 to quickly defeat him. So?18k Vegeta vs KKx2 16k Goku
Gap was bigger than Goku vs Freeza, and this really didn't seem that bad. Vegeta got caught off guard and man handled, but he quickly bounced back from the hits and fired a Galick Gun, overcoming Goku. I think that Toriyama put in this fight to contrast it with Cui vs Vegeta.KKx3 Goku vs 18k Vegeta
Cui is:24k Vegeta vs 18k Cui
A. Pathetic and
B. Made of kittens.
He is a coward who goes nuts when he realizes Vegeta is stronger than him, and doesn't seem to have very good physical attributes, as he dies in two hits from Vegeta, when Vegeta had previously shrugged off more hits from Goku plus a x4 Kamehameha with the exact same gap. Hell, you can even say that Vegeta beat Goku with a 75% gap. I suspect it may have something to do with Cui not being on guard, or losing his courage and right state of mind, making him weaker. Vegeta and Freeza had no such fears.
Dodoria mindlessly lashed out at Vegeta, who ran behind him while he was off guard and grabbed his arms. Then he blasted him in the back while he was trying to run away (note: unguarded shots mean pain). On top of that he could've had the potential courage and state of mind loss, like Cui. Didn't seem like an overwhelming display of power to me, since it wasn't really a fight.24k Vegeta vs >18k Dodoria
Zarbon doesn't have to be less than 30,000. I actually have him at exactly 30,000, hell he can be over. There's also the fact that he kind of caught Vegeta off guard (Vegeta was smug and sure of himself after dispatching Dodoria), and Vegeta's techniques and physical durability are inferior to Freeza's.<30k monster Zarbon vs 24k Vegeta
When power levels are fairly close, of course the person with superior experience, skill, training, and especially ki sensing is going to have a huge advantage on a guy who is called "pathetic" and "rusty" several times and doesn't seem to have any special or notable training or techniques. And again, ki sensing: big advantage.24k Vegeta vs >18k Zarbon
You have a tendency of calling different opinions "laughable." That makes you sound quite condescending and rude. Please stop it.kinda kill any chance of Freeza being 80% of Goku. Id find it very hard to belive Goku's gap on Freeza is bigger or as big as Vegeta's gap on Dodoria. That's just laughable.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Nappa fared pretty well against Goku despite Goku being twice as strongVictorious wrote:18k Vegeta vs KKx2 16k Goku
KKx3 Goku vs 18k Vegeta
24k Vegeta vs 18k Cui
24k Vegeta vs >18k Dodoria
24k Vegeta vs >18k Zarbon
<30k monster Zarbon vs 24k Vegeta
kinda kill any chance of Freeza being 80% of Goku. I'd find it very hard to believe Goku's gap on Freeza is bigger or as big as Vegeta's gap on Dodoria. That's just laughable
Chapter: 222 (DBZ 28), P4.1
Vegeta: “Someone with a battle ability of about 5,000...!!”
Nappa: “5,000?! That’s impossible! It has to be a mistake.”
Vegeta: “It’s truly an unthinkable figure for the old Kakarot. What’s more, the people here are able to alter their figures…So 5,000 could just be his minimum.”
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