kidhero1000 wrote:When Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan, Cabba is asked by Champa if he knew Saiyans could transform, but Cabba claims he never seen or heard of anything like it before.
Guess Cabba is jobbing to whoever at this point, unless he has an unknown technique to defeat Vegeta.
The gaps are way too small.LightBing wrote:After re-watching the episode, I was wrong regarding Assault Frost, he's superior to Base Goku. So here's what I have so far:
Botamo - 3 (300)
Base Goku - 6,50 (650)
SSJ Goku - 8,20 (820)
First Form Frost - 4 (400)
Assault Frost - 6,70 (670)
Final Form Frost - 7,20 (720)
Piccolo - 6 (600)
That's also in Super though. I'm asking if something like that has EVER happened in the manga. Every power-up was only enough to catch up with the villain of the current saga. For example, we never had anyone who hasn't trained since the Saiyan or Freeza and then become Buu saga top tier within a few months of training.Vice wrote:I find it hard to believe a Zarbon-tier mook can get to Boo-level by having holes punched into him for 4 months but it happened.
This has NEVER happened in the entire history of the Dragonball series. Even in Yo Goku, they were only like Frieza tier.Skar wrote:That's also in Super though. I'm asking if something like that has EVER happened in the manga. Every power-up was only enough to catch up with the villain of the current saga. For example, we never had anyone who hasn't trained since the Saiyan or Freeza and then become Buu saga top tier within a few months of training.Vice wrote:I find it hard to believe a Zarbon-tier mook can get to Boo-level by having holes punched into him for 4 months but it happened.
I mean, Toriyama uses characters as narration. I think it's safe to assume basically any dialogue should be taken at face value unless, just like in the original manga run, they get proven wrong afterwards.ekrolo2 wrote:TBF, Freeza doesn't really have a clue how strong Majin Boo is apart from his father's warning. Now, if someone like Gohan or Piccolo said it, that might give us a good idea where Base Goku stands. The only way he could potentially know if Goku's stronger than Fat Boo, at least, is if he could sense ki but I don't recall that ever being stated or implied in either versions of F.Hugo Boss wrote:Just before Super Saiyan Blue is revealed, Freeza says something like "Despite knowing you [Goku] have defeated Majin Boo, I didn't think you'd become this strong..". A hasty viewer may say Freeza stated Base Goku was much stronger than Boo, but perhaps Freeza wasn't expecting Goku to match him in that condition?ekrolo2 wrote:Does anyone else wish we could get some comparison statements to have even a hint of a clue where the hell anyone stands in relation to one another? Even GT at least gave you an idea where Rild stands so you can even have some basis to jump off of. With all this God stuff, everyone's just vaguely stronger or weaker with no frame of reference to even gauge them with.
How so? I'm using the "God Scale", which differs from the scouter numbers. At least that's what I think, based on how Mr.Toriyama came up with it. It's like a scale people make up everyday: Ex:"How good was dinner? Well lunch was a 7, so dinner is a 9!"(for some reason I imagined this in the voice of child).Zombie wrote:The gaps are way too small.
If we knew how Goku's 4 forms compared to each other, base, SSJ, SSJG and SSJB, then I don't think it would be all that bad.Does anyone else wish we could get some comparison statements to have even a hint of a clue where the hell anyone stands in relation to one another?
Dividing power doesn't seem the best way to overcome power greater than his, does it? I'm more inclined to think that is the afterimage technique, which may cover makkankosappo time charge's weakness. Of course, we don't know yet if the makkankosappo will work on Frost.namekiansaiyan wrote:Piccolo is using his multi-form technique which will divide his power so he must have a lot of power if the attack is to work.
That is what i mean he has to have improved quite a lot and he can't win by strategy unless by ring-out only as he does not have a technique like Frost has supposed to of used so he has to have a lot of power behind his Special Beam Cannon which has to partly come from his only power and not just charging it up.Draconic wrote:Maybe Piccolo mastered the multi-form technique to the point it doesn't divide his power. Cell did it in the fight against Goku (in filler), so why can't Piccolo.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
in FnF , there isn't anything to indicate that SSB is a "small" boost. It was implied to be incredible boost.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:After the latest episode, I think it would make much more sense if Goku is not using his SSG powers in the tournament.
- SS seems to have given Goku a huge boost, while it gave a really small boost in BoG & SSB gave a not-so-huge boost in FnF, since it made him go from a little below Frost's Assault Form to way beyond Frost's Final Form, and there is a huge difference between these 2 forms based on what we saw with Freeza.
No indication that he was weaker than SS gohan in buu arc.[*]It doesn't seem like Piccolo has reached the level of gods. Piccolo appears to be stronger than base Goku, but below SS Goku, just like in Cell Games & Boo arc. It seems he had reached his limits ever since the Cell Games, since he didn't bother to enter inside the RoSaT a second time, and he never managed to surpass SS Gohan, who wasn't training for 7 years.
He could still be 10 times weaker than SS goku & be a threat to frost.In FnF, he was weaker than base Gohan, but this was a weakened Ultimate Gohan. He appears to be on par with base Gohan now, who has also become stronger but he still doesn't look like he has regained all of his Ultimate power. He didn't even join Goku & Vegeta inside the RoSaT because he didn't think he could handle them. How would he suddenly reach the level of gods in 5 days when he couldn't even reach the level of a Super Saiyan in 7 years?
Botamo is just special ability[*]It makes more sense for Botamo & Frost to be far below the level of gods. Goku said that Botamo doesn't appear to have trained because of his ability, and Frost has been using his Assault Form to fight common aliens. Plus, if all of the U6 fighters are at god level, it wouldn't make much sense for everyone to get frustrated over losing Boo.[/list]
It's not impossible, but what is the need to compare them to Cell or Vegetto when we can't even tell where the main characters fit yet? Even if Frost is stronger than practically everyone in his universe, perhaps Universe 6 is so vast he doesn't have time to save all the people that lives there. With someone as strong as a god he could get rid of evil doers much faster.apex_pretador wrote:Who knows how strong are base goku/vegeta? Are they even stronger than SS vegetto? Why can't some aliens who frost is fighting be stronger than SS Vegetto?
I don't think there is evidence that vados is stronger than whis they are probably the sameBullza wrote:This is what I'll go with for now.
Vados - 15.5
Whis. - 15
Beerus - 10
Champa - 9.3
Golden Frieza - 7.8
SSJB Goku (U6) - 7.2
SSJB Vegeta (U6) 7.2
SSJ Goku (U6) - 6.6
SSJG Goku (BoG) - 6
Frost (Final Form) - 5.5
Frost (Third Form) - 3.6
Base Goku (U6) - 3.3
Base Vegeta (U6) - 3.3
Botamo - 2.7
Frieza (Final Form) - 2.6
SSJ2 Vegeta - 0.7
SSJ3 Goku - 0.5
Goku and Vegeta don't surpass Freeza after 3 years in the RoSaT?Bullza wrote:This is what I'll go with for now.
Vados - 15.5
Whis. - 15
Beerus - 10
Champa - 9.3
Golden Frieza - 7.8
SSJB Goku (U6) - 7.2
SSJB Vegeta (U6) 7.2
SSJ Goku (U6) - 6.6
SSJG Goku (BoG) - 6
Frost (Final Form) - 5.5
Frost (Third Form) - 3.6
Base Goku (U6) - 3.3
Base Vegeta (U6) - 3.3
Botamo - 2.7
Frieza (Final Form) - 2.6
SSJ2 Vegeta - 0.7
SSJ3 Goku - 0.5
