"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[LightBing]

We need to have a disclaimer regarding Gohan...

Mr.Toriyama has not interest in the character, currently. It started before the Boo arc when he said the character wasn't a fighter or something in these lines.
The character grew and this is what he become. The only thing we can actually point our fingers at is him not keeping up his training. The ritual, it wasn't even brought up again, for all purposes Goku pulling it off was a miracle. Training for Blue, he isn't Goku or Vegeta who have no problem abandoning their family's for months/years.

There's a difference between what the fans want and what the character is. It's a miracle Gohan is so normal, his childhood was awful. I don't blame him one bit for disliking fighting.

Changing the topic. Predictions for the next arc? I'm curious if it will feed itself from this one or be something from scratch. Hopefully it's in another Universe(field trip!) or further explores the Gods.
I wouldn't mind if Zamasu become an ever present threat. You can kill him, just stop him. I wouldn't want to see him again so soon, it would be nice to see him in the shadows preparing for his next plan.

[Bullza]

I don't know why people keep complaining about Gohan. People (and not necessarily here) keep complaining because Gohan looks like this now.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Seemingly forgetting that that is exactly what Gohan turned into at the end of Z already.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I never saw nearly as many complaints how Gohan was presented in GT and yet again he looked like this.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

So it's all pretty consistent really isn't it? The guy doesn't look like fighting, he only ever had to fight because it was forced on him so I don't know what people expect him to do.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't feel sorry about Gohan, he is one of the few characters who have achieved their goals. Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, these are the people I feel sorry for. They used to be so passionate about martial arts & had Goku as their goal to surpass, and they were very hopeful that they would succeed in doing so... and not only did they fail, but Goku evolved many worlds above them, leaving them so far behind that half of them (Kuririn, Yamcha) retired from martial arts, and the other half (Piccolo, Tenshinhan) just kept training without any hope of reaching Goku's (and the rest of the Saiyans') level.

[Hellspawn28]

I never saw nearly as many complaints how Gohan was presented in GT and yet again he looked like this.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I remember a lot of people complaint about GT Gohan's design for looking like a nerd. Gohan in Super is likely based on him from the end of DBZ when he is retire from fighting and has move on. I'm okay with that since it's Gohan choice to step down. I know someone will bring up the GT Perfect Files on how Gohan still train, but I highly doubt that info is still relevant.

[HeroR]

It wasn't so much that he was rusty in the Buu saga in his fight against Dabura (which I love) he was quite idiotic in that he kept doing head on attacks.

That is Gohan's primary attack pattern. Charged the enemy and pound them. The only time he shown to used real fighting smarts is when he fought Cell, and even then it was because Goku showed Gohan how Cell fought.

There was a reason why even Goku was frustrated watching Gohan fight Dabura. It wasn't because his power decreased, it was because Gohan wasn't thinking and just attacking. As Goku put it, 'What are you doing? A head on attack won't work against this guy'.

They should keep Future Trunks around permanently. He's a good character and a popular character who already disappeared once for years and people always wanted to see him come back. He's back finally so why get rid of him a second time?

Let the villains have some victory where they destroy Trunks' Earth or Universe or even his Timeline and then just have Trunks and Mai come and live in the main timeline together and be apart of the main cast. Does he really need to go back and rebuild Earth, "live in peace" and go out of the series for a second time?

Especially with Gohan not doing squat nowadays and with Trunks being the only one aside from Goku and Vegeta to have any worthwhile power, he should stay.

The main timeline is not Future Trunks' Earth, and Trunks would want to save his home and people. That was his resolution when he saw how happy Gohan was with his family. Trunks would never be truly happy being in the main timeline because he would be wrecked with guilt about letting his world down.

So no, Trunks should go back to his world. Some characters work best never returning or only coming back in a blue moon.

[LightBing]

I don't feel sorry about Gohan, he is one of the few characters who have achieved their goals. Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, these are the people I feel sorry for. They used to be so passionate about martial arts & had Goku as their goal to surpass, and they were very hopeful that they would succeed in doing so... and not only did they fail, but Goku evolved many worlds above them, leaving them so far behind that half of them (Kuririn, Yamcha) retired from martial arts, and the other half (Piccolo, Tenshinhan) just kept training without any hope of reaching Goku's (and the rest of the Saiyans') level.

You can't put Kuririn in that group and Piccolo is kinda doubtful post-Kami. In his first appearance Kuririn said he wanted to get a girlfriend and be a great martial artist. He did both, Kuririn had his arc completed.
Piccolo valued greatly his rivalry with Goku, post-Kami it seems that aspect has been left behind. He is happy helping Dende and being an all-around reliable character. I wouldn't put him in the same category as Kuririn, still the character has been much better treated than Tenshinhan and Yamcha. Both were just thrown to the side, their wishes/objectives forgotten.

[dbzfan7]

We need to have a disclaimer regarding Gohan...

Mr.Toriyama has not interest in the character, currently.

That's really the bottom line and end all be all. No interest, no real point. I guess people may be bugged that pointless characters who do nothing are kept around still over him. So it makes Gohan even less than pointless. Though really I think it's a plus since it'd just be a kick in the balls for them if Gohan was just there like say Krillin and Yamcha are. So really he just bows out, and we end it there. That, or still incredibly sour about that red herring.

[Kishido]

I never saw nearly as many complaints how Gohan was presented in GT and yet again he looked like this.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I remember a lot of people complaint about GT Gohan's design for looking like a nerd. Gohan in Super is likely based on him from the end of DBZ when he is retire from fighting and has move on. I'm okay with that since it's Gohan choice to step down. I know someone will bring up the GT Perfect Files on how Gohan still train, but I highly doubt that info is still relevant.

Super itself said he restarted training after realizing he can't protect nothing the way he was.

But it was just a red herring and it is forgotten after 5 episodes.

That makes the situation even worse

[TheMikado]

I never saw nearly as many complaints how Gohan was presented in GT and yet again he looked like this.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I remember a lot of people complaint about GT Gohan's design for looking like a nerd. Gohan in Super is likely based on him from the end of DBZ when he is retire from fighting and has move on. I'm okay with that since it's Gohan choice to step down. I know someone will bring up the GT Perfect Files on how Gohan still train, but I highly doubt that info is still relevant.

Super itself said he restarted training after realizing he can't protect nothing the way he was.

But it was just a red herring and it is forgotten after 5 episodes.

That makes the situation even worse

Not to mention the fact that BOG arc gave fans hope. At least with GT when Gohan needed to get down to business he did. He still jobbed hard, but he didn't do it on his knees.

[Bullza]

I have no idea what they were thinking including that scene. Obviously Toriyama hadn't wrote any fight scenes for Gohan in the Universe 6 saga and the manga chapter where Goku waves off Gohan as just being a nerd now came must have come before they started writing that episode.

It's like the Toei staff just assumed that Gohan was going to fight again and then it turned out that no he isn't and then the entire thing was dropped like it never happened to begin with.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I have no idea what they were thinking including that scene. Obviously Toriyama hadn't wrote any fight scenes for Gohan in the Universe 6 saga and the manga chapter where Goku waves off Gohan as just being a nerd now came must have come before they started writing that episode.

It's like the Toei staff just assumed that Gohan was going to fight again and then it turned out that no he isn't and then the entire thing was dropped like it never happened to begin with.

Or they probably asked Toriyama who would fight he might have told them Gohan then changed his mind later or they saw some of draft and saw Gohan's name and jumped to conclusions. Or as you said they just assumed.

[Kagari]

I have no idea what they were thinking including that scene. Obviously Toriyama hadn't wrote any fight scenes for Gohan in the Universe 6 saga and the manga chapter where Goku waves off Gohan as just being a nerd now came must have come before they started writing that episode.

It's like the Toei staff just assumed that Gohan was going to fight again and then it turned out that no he isn't and then the entire thing was dropped like it never happened to begin with.

Or maybe they wrote it in to do a couple things including getting him back to his End of Z design instead of his Resurrection F one and by introducing that plot thread they can always pick it back up later if they so choose. Who knows if they will though. I was hoping this arc would put a larger focus on the existing cast with other characters in addition to Gohan (like say... the Battle of the Gods film did...) but so far that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Anime Kitten]

I was hoping this arc would put a larger focus on the existing cast with other characters in addition to Gohan (like say... the Battle of the Gods film did...) but so far that doesn't seem to be the case.

It didn't really. Only Vegeta and Goku got the real focus.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's like the Toei staff just assumed that Gohan was going to fight again and then it turned out that no he isn't and then the entire thing was dropped like it never happened to begin with.

I think it's the opposite. They probably did it under the knowledge that Gohan won't play any role in the later arcs, so changing his power from Toriyama's new weakened SS version of Gohan wouldn't make a difference to the story (he is still in that state in the manga at the moment). Seeing how Toei went & fixed plot-holes from FnF (they fixed Shenlong's wishes from 2 to 3, they removed Freeza's 1.3 million BP line, and even addressed the reason Gohan goes SS again), I think this was done in order to "fix" Gohan back to his Ultimate state, which he is in at the 28th TB arc of the series.

[kinisking]

I don't feel sorry about Gohan, he is one of the few characters who have achieved their goals. Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, these are the people I feel sorry for. They used to be so passionate about martial arts & had Goku as their goal to surpass, and they were very hopeful that they would succeed in doing so... and not only did they fail, but Goku evolved many worlds above them, leaving them so far behind that half of them (Kuririn, Yamcha) retired from martial arts, and the other half (Piccolo, Tenshinhan) just kept training without any hope of reaching Goku's (and the rest of the Saiyans') level.

Krillin trained to get a gf. He has 18. Yamcha just wanted a girl, and he's popular with them now that he's a baseball player. Piccolo and Tien are the ones i deeply feel bad for.

[kinisking]

It wasn't so much that he was rusty in the Buu saga in his fight against Dabura (which I love) he was quite idiotic in that he kept doing head on attacks.

That is Gohan's primary attack pattern. Charged the enemy and pound them. The only time he shown to used real fighting smarts is when he fought Cell, and even then it was because Goku showed Gohan how Cell fought.

There was a reason why even Goku was frustrated watching Gohan fight Dabura. It wasn't because his power decreased, it was because Gohan wasn't thinking and just attacking. As Goku put it, 'What are you doing? A head on attack won't work against this guy'.

The Dabra part wasn't in the manga as far as I could tell. Also, the fact that Gohan was able to pick up how cell fought just shows he isn't sub par. He was able to analyze cell's fighting style from a relatively short fight.

[ailema88]

I think this should have be named "complainings about Gohan in super thread" instead of "DBS official and announcement thread"
Please They made us clear that the Gohan we miss maybe will never return again....
And maybe we don't have Gohan but we still have Future Trunks which is still a badass

[kinisking]

I think this should have be named "complainings about Gohan in super thread" instead of "DBS official and announcement thread"
Please They made us clear that the Gohan we miss maybe will never return again....
And maybe we don't have Gohan but we still have Future Trunks which is still a badass

Because yes, that's all anyone ever talks about here
And true!

[Noah]

...I think this was done in order to "fix" Gohan back to his Ultimate state, which he is in at the 28th TB arc of the series.

Is there any proof of that?

[kinisking]

...I think this was done in order to "fix" Gohan back to his Ultimate state, which he is in at the 28th TB arc of the series.

Is there any proof of that?

I think his eyes are outlined, which suggests he still is ultimate. Also EOZ Gohan> him now. Nothing implied he was much weaker than before.