How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion)?

[matt0044]

I agree with people saying Colleen Clinkenbeard's voice is too mature for Gohan (and this extends to Goku as well). Those are teenage girl voices, not Kid Goku/Gohan.

Um… how?

Seriously, I tried mentally applying Clinkenbeard's Gohan to a teenage girl and it didn't fit at all. How exactly is it too mature (especially when Gohan himself is pretty damn mature for a 4 to 10 year old)? I just don't get this.

She sounds like a little boy I'd meet on the street (who can have a variety of voices and not just one "proper" sound). Of course, given the scenarios he goes though, the voice is bound to have some emotional range.

[Singh is King]

Clinkenbeard just has too mature of a voice for a young Gohan.

Isn't Gohan too mature for a child his age?

it's the zany, angry, crazy side I feel she really overplays and exaggerates regarding the character and it sounds a bit...wacko, at times.

In this sort of show, are you surprised? Bulma could always be a bit… wacko at times so that never bothered me.

No, of course not, but she goes way too over the top at times.

[Singh is King]

I agree with people saying Colleen Clinkenbeard's voice is too mature for Gohan (and this extends to Goku as well). Those are teenage girl voices, not Kid Goku/Gohan.

Um… how?

Seriously, I tried mentally applying Clinkenbeard's Gohan to a teenage girl and it didn't fit at all. How exactly is it too mature (especially when Gohan himself is pretty damn mature for a 4 to 10 year old)? I just don't get this.

She sounds like a little boy I'd meet on the street (who can have a variety of voices and not just one "proper" sound). Of course, given the scenarios he goes though, the voice is bound to have some emotional range.

It sounds really good in Saiyan/Namek Kai dubbed to me and like a boy as you said, but in Cell Kai dubbed, it gets pretty womanly, like in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber/Room of Space and Time for some reason. Clinkenbeard is still the best Kid Gohan to me, though.

[matt0044]

Clinkenbeard just has too mature of a voice for a young Gohan.

Isn't Gohan too mature for a child his age?

it's the zany, angry, crazy side I feel she really overplays and exaggerates regarding the character and it sounds a bit...wacko, at times.

In this sort of show, are you surprised? Bulma could always be a bit… wacko at times so that never bothered me.

No, of course not, but she goes way too over the top at times.

Like when? I don't understand how going over-the-top, especially when the moment calls for it, is bad.

It sounds really good in Saiyan/Namek Kai dubbed to me and like a boy as you said, but in Cell Kai dubbed, it gets pretty womanly, like in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber/Room of Space and Time for some reason. Clinkenbeard is still the best Kid Gohan to me, though.

Womanly? Really? All I heard was a prepubescent boy who went through a lot of stuff and sounds mature for his age. If you think about it, it's… kinda tragic for the character.

[Singh is King]

Like when? I don't understand how going over-the-top, especially when the moment calls for it, is bad.

Womanly? Really? All I heard was a prepubescent boy who went through a lot of stuff and sounds mature for his age. If you think about it, it's… kinda tragic for the character.

On Bulma: Over the top is fine to a degree, but not like so crazy it sounds almost psychopathic, which is something Rial does at times when Bulma is yelling. If she toned that down, I'd like her much more- her normal voice is fine and fits, though.

On Gohan: You can kind of here the womanly tone here if you listen to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpzdcr-onM0.

[gohann]

It's one thing to be a little crazy, but Monica Rial's Bulma is too exaggerated as of late, when it was better balanced out earlier. There's a difference between "over the top" and "completely insane".

[Singh is King]

It's one thing to be a little crazy, but Monica Rial's Bulma is too exaggerated as of late, when it was better balanced out earlier. There's a difference between "over the top" and "completely insane".

I think that's what I'm looking for, actually, in terms of what I'm trying to say:

[matt0044]

On Bulma: Over the top is fine to a degree, but not like so crazy it sounds almost psychopathic, which is something Rial does at times when Bulma is yelling. If she toned that down, I'd like her much more- her normal voice is fine and fits, though.

Bulma herself often comes off as psycho and insane, especially on Namek when everything tries to kill her. I think it's less of a problem with Rial and more her just following the script. Plus, that's honestly my favorite part about her take on Bulma: how crazy she can be when the moment calls for it yet how down to Earth she can also be.

On Gohan: You can kind of here the womanly tone here if you listen to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpzdcr-onM0.

I… still don't hear it. I mean, I guess I can hear hints of a girl's voice if I concentrate but it still just sounds like a little boy who's seen his share of combat and has grown from it. Of course, he's still going on eleven in that scene and that's usually the time when boys start to… change (their voices fluctuating at times). Would you like for me to go over the birds and the bees? jk jk.

I like how Clinkenbeard has her Gohan voice subtly mature over the course of the series in accordance with his age, gender and character development. Damn impressive if you ask me.

[Singh is King]

On Bulma: Over the top is fine to a degree, but not like so crazy it sounds almost psychopathic, which is something Rial does at times when Bulma is yelling. If she toned that down, I'd like her much more- her normal voice is fine and fits, though.

Bulma herself often comes off as psycho and insane, especially on Namek when everything tries to kill her. I think it's less of a problem with Rial and more her just following the script. Plus, that's honestly my favorite part about her take on Bulma: how crazy she can be when the moment calls for it yet how down to Earth she can also be.

On Gohan: You can kind of here the womanly tone here if you listen to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpzdcr-onM0.

I… still don't hear it. I mean, I guess I can hear hints of a girl's voice if I concentrate but it still just sounds like a little boy who's seen his share of combat and has grown from it. Of course, he's still going on eleven in that scene and that's usually the time when boys start to… change (their voices fluctuating at times). Would you like for me to go over the birds and the bees? jk jk.

I like how Clinkenbeard has her Gohan voice subtly mature over the course of the series in accordance with his age, gender and character development. Damn impressive if you ask me.

Possibly, but I still feel more like Gohann does on the issue of Bulma, though I'll admit it's not too bad- just not my preferred take on the character.

I can really hear it there, but to each their own. Yeah, that's true...lol, no.

It sounds better when she talks normally, IMO: when Colleen yells, it sounds really feminine then, for some reason. Her Kid Gohan sounds better in Xenoverse than it did in the Cell Kai dub, though, for some reason.

[matt0044]

It sounds better when she talks normally, IMO: when Colleen yells, it sounds really feminine then, for some reason.

When you scream, your voice DOES get high pitched than normal and as a child, even more so. Isn't that normal?

[Singh is King]

It sounds better when she talks normally, IMO: when Colleen yells, it sounds really feminine then, for some reason.

When you scream, your voice DOES get high pitched than normal and as a child, even more so. Isn't that normal?

Yeah, but that's not what I mean: it gets more womanly when she does that, so to speak.

[matt0044]

It sounds better when she talks normally, IMO: when Colleen yells, it sounds really feminine then, for some reason.

When you scream, your voice DOES get high pitched than normal and as a child, even more so. Isn't that normal?

Yeah, but that's not what I mean: it gets more womanly when she does that, so to speak.

Never saw it as abnormal but okay, whatevs.

Kinda weird how we're arguing this considering Masako Nozawa's voice as Adult Goku. I mean if I closed my eyes and heard it for the first time, my first thought wouldn't be "adult man who could benchpress the planet." With Coleen Clinkenbeard, I can at least imagine an young boy character speaking with it. The screams might sound "womanly" but it's hardly something I wouldn't expect from that sort of character IMO.

Disclaimer: this is not an attack on Nozawa's Goku, a voice that I do like, so hold your fire please.

[Singh is King]

Never saw it as abnormal but okay, whatevs.

Kinda weird how we're arguing this considering Masako Nozawa's voice as Adult Goku. I mean if I closed my eyes and heard it for the first time, my first thought wouldn't be "adult man who could benchpress the planet." With Coleen Clinkenbeard, I can at least imagine an young boy character speaking with it. The screams might sound "womanly" but it's hardly something I'd expect from that sort of character IMO.

Disclaimer: this is not an attack on Nozawa's Goku, a voice that I do like, so hold your fire please.

No problem.

Now that I definitely agree with: I actually only like Nozawa as Kid Goku personally, though, not so much as Adult Goku, though- same as matt0044- don't kill me, I like it at points.

[Theophrastus]

I can't hear Colleen Clinkenbeard as Gohan without my brain immediately thinking of Monkey D. Luffy. That's not really her fault (it's somewhat unrealistic to expect a woman to have multiple distinct "male" voices, after all), but a 17 year-old and an 4-10 year old having almost exactly the same voice makes for a bit of a jarring experience. Still, she's a talented actress and does well in the role, I think.

I think Chris Ayres is great as Freeza, and I don't have much else to say on the matter.

Monica Rial as Bulma...honestly doesn't sound much different from Tiffany Vollmer to me. I probably wouldn't even notice the recast if I didn't already know about it. I seem to have weird auditory blind-spots when it comes to certain female voices, and this is apparently one of them.

[Singh is King]

I can't hear Colleen Clinkenbeard as Gohan without my brain immediately thinking of Monkey D. Luffy. That's not really her fault (it's somewhat unrealistic to expect a woman to have multiple distinct "male" voices, after all), but a 17 year-old and an 4-10 year old having almost exactly the same voice makes for a bit of a jarring experience.

I think you're kind of having the same issue I am with her, at least during the Cell Kai Era: that is kind of the impression I got from Colleen there. Still, she does a really good job in Saiyan/Namek Kai so I don't have any real issues with her, but that is something I've found as well.

[matt0044]

I think it's because of how Gohan grows up during the three year timeskip (where he goes from six/seven years old to nine/ten years) and to reflect that, Clinkenbeard leans towards her Luffy voice. It was subtle to me the first time but I picked it up upon rewatching DBZ Kai's dub.

Though granted, it can feel weird knowing the two share a VA.

[Theophrastus]

I can't hear Colleen Clinkenbeard as Gohan without my brain immediately thinking of Monkey D. Luffy. That's not really her fault (it's somewhat unrealistic to expect a woman to have multiple distinct "male" voices, after all), but a 17 year-old and an 4-10 year old having almost exactly the same voice makes for a bit of a jarring experience.

I think you're kind of having the same issue I am with her, at least during the Cell Kai Era: that is kind of the impression I got from Colleen there. Still, she does a really good job in Saiyan/Namek Kai so I don't have any real issues with her, but that is something I've found as well.

Eh, it's not so much that. I mean, I can hear the femininity that you're talking about in her Gohan, but it's really more the psychological aspect of "This is Luffy's voice. Luffy is 17. Gohan is 4-10. This feels weird." for me.

I have the same issue with Junko Takeuchi in the Japanese versions of One Piece and Naruto Shippuden. 10 year old Sabo has the exact same voice that she uses for teenage Naruto (and I mean the exact same voice, there's not even the subtle variation that I can kind of hear with Clinkenbeard's Gohan vs Luffy), and that's super weird to me.

[matt0044]

I don't have a problem but it is understandable.

[Attitudefan]

I'll say that when Henderson would yell, I'd never think it sounded like a woman. Never. It sounded like an angry boy.

But Clinkenbeard's voice since the beginning always got massive amount of complaints that it did sound like a woman. It does.

[matt0044]

I always thought people complained that Colleen's Gohan sounded too young (yeah, people are dumb) and "like a pussy" (their words, not mine).

And while it might not sound like a conventional young boy voice, I still fail to see how it can be applied to the average woman or young girl. I just can't see it for the life of me and it always loops back to sounding like a boy yet to experience puberty (and yet somehow gains power beyond imagination).