Am I the only one who hates all these new movies?

[B]

I don't think Super Saiyan God came out of some notion that fans are super-obsessed with Saiyan mythology, but more along the lines of "the easiest way to illustrate that Goku has gotten stronger is to give him a new transformation." And yeah, there is a not-so-blatant marketability in that, but if the plan is to keep the franchise alive, there's not a whole lot else that could've been done, given what has already been established.

I think Toriyama has done a commendable job at making the story aspects of franchise-longevity seem natural. I don't disagree with the idea that new Dragon Ball in 2014 exists because $$$$$$, but to what level that bothers people seems to be overall subjective ("I like this, keep doing this//I hate this, you should stop").

[Hellspawn28]

I'm starting to think that Battle of Gods has became the Star Trek: Into Darkness of Kanzenshuu since the movie is spit into two groups of people who really love it or hate it . Outside this website, I seen most people enjoy Battle of Gods a lot and I think Revival of F will turn out fine.

[Drayenko]

Outside this website, I seen most people enjoy Battle of Gods a lot and I think Revival of F will turn out fine.

Most people I've talked to, that aren't "hardcore" fans, found the movie extremely disappointing.

[Eire]

Most of the people had very rosy image of DBZ from their childhood so they expected that new movie will be at least the new Lord of The Rings. That was asking for disappointment.

[TheGmGoken]

Most of the people had very rosy image of DBZ from their childhood so they expected that new movie will be at least the new Lord of The Rings. That was asking for disappointment.

Well can you blame them!? The trailers were action packed with little comedy and a slight dark tone. The movie was the opposite. However that's not the reason for all to like it.

[B]

It's not like the trailers lied. All those fight scenes are in the movie. And then you have Japanese trailers using FLOW's drastically upbeat "HEAD-CHA-LA".

Yes, you can certainly blame people for having a warped image of DB.

[TheGmGoken]

It's not like the trailers lied. All those fight scenes are in the movie. And then you have Japanese trailers using FLOW's drastically upbeat "HEAD-CHA-LA".

Yes, you can certainly blame people for having a warped image of DB.

Didn't say they lied. I meant like this. If the average Joe is surfing the web and sees BoG trailer. The trailer was slow, action pack, and some might say a bit dark(not overly dark. But serious toned). The dialog of the trailer and how everything was presented. The Joe probably thinks it'll be an action filled movie. He goes to see it and 85% of the movie is (un)funny comedy, Bulma party, and no Goku. He'll obviously feel disssponited unless he thought it was funny.

Now if you're like myself and I know I'm beating a dead horse (I'm sure it won't mind it's already dead) but there's multiple things I've found wrong with the movie that I hope RoF improves on.

[Eire]

Average Joe doesn't see the trailer. (S)He sees himself sitting in front of TV back in 90s waiting for the next episode of the best cartoon in the world. They want to see not the Dragon Ball, but Dragon Ball of their mind, forgetting that they are now at least 15 years older. Had Disney, Dreamworks and Ghibli, the best directors and writers of The Bible combined their powers and supported Toriyama to create the ultimate Dragoin Ball Movie they would have been still not pleased.

I don't say that BoG is without faults, but judging from internet comments we had a bad case of hype backlash. Simply when you expect supernova even the best fireworks seem to be lame.

[TheGmGoken]

Average Joe doesn't see the trailer. (S)He sees himself sitting in front of TV back in 90s waiting for the next episode of the best cartoon in the world. They want to see not the Dragon Ball, but Dragon Ball of their mind, forgetting that they are now at least 15 years older. Had Disney, Dreamworks and Ghibli, the best directors and writers of The Bible combined their powers and supported Toriyama to create the ultimate Dragoin Ball Movie they would have been still not pleased.

I don't say that BoG is without faults, but judging from internet comments we had a bad case of hype backlash. Simply when you expect supernova even the best fireworks seem to be lame.

I wasn't expecting a supernova. I was expecting a good movie. I was dissapointed in everything but the music of BoG. The action sucked, plot sucked, characters were dull except Whis, and just horrible atmosphere. I call BS on your first part. Funimation did an incredible job promoting BoG. I'm pretty sure a lot of people who's casual db fans at best saw the trailer.

[i'mfuckingevil]

I don't think Super Saiyan God came out of some notion that fans are super-obsessed with Saiyan mythology, but more along the lines of "the easiest way to illustrate that Goku has gotten stronger is to give him a new transformation." And yeah, there is a not-so-blatant marketability in that, but if the plan is to keep the franchise alive, there's not a whole lot else that could've been done, given what has already been established.

I think Toriyama has done a commendable job at making the story aspects of franchise-longevity seem natural. I don't disagree with the idea that new Dragon Ball in 2014 exists because $$$$$$, but to what level that bothers people seems to be overall subjective ("I like this, keep doing this//I hate this, you should stop").

It is the easiest way to make people excited about the new DBZ movie because all they ever talked about was the SSJGod transformation. What A.T and Toei may not realize is that constantly tossing around the word "god" in these features might cause more than a few problems.

Like, he couldn't have made the movie without a new transformation for Goku. He just had to go that route.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It's not really their fault if people were expected a buffed up crazy Broly like Goku, that's what I assume you mean by a few problems.

Gods have generally been depicted as having average builds and looking quite human. My younger brother was reading a book about Greek Gods and none of them were portrayed as over the top. Also, quick google search gave up similar results.

[JamesOwnz]

Who cares abou the old movies? they were trash and Battle of Gods was great.. I'm assuming the new one will be as well.

I beg to differ. But obviously that is your opinion and you're just expressing it as fact. Dead Zone, Lord Slug, Broly series, Cooler series, Bojack, Wrath of the Dragon >>>>> BOG.

Wrath of the Dragon was ok, actually.

But the rest not so much imo... just poorly put together 40 minute specials with zero depth at all.

BoG was something different, there was plot, decent characters and depth.

Though to be fair a lot more work was put into BoG.

[JamesOwnz]

The trailers for the dub was a bit misleading.

Original trailers were pretty spot on.

[Son_Gohan]

Yes, you can certainly blame people for having a warped image of DB.

If you're insinuating that BoG's depiction was prevalent in the DBZ series, then that is a warped image in itself. No past DBZ movie or story arc released in North America ever had that same atmosphere. You're clearly speaking from the perspective of an obsessive, hardcore fan of Toriyama's work and not taking into account the casual viewer's exposure to the series.

[Colonel Silver]

No, you're not. I hate that Akira Toriyama insists on taking a massive shit on the canon lately. Absolutely fuck God form and these dorky Sayians like Tarble and Gine. I find it hard to believe a warrior race would allow people like them to live among them, or how they would survive in the first place. I know Tarble was eventually banished but it seems so out of character for King Vegeta... why didn't he blast Tarble to dust instead? The sayians on planet Vegeta are supposed to be freaking mericless and blood thirsty, I hate this new portrayal of them. You can understand why I hate God form.

[Lord Beerus]

No, you're not. I hate that Akira Toriyama insists on taking a massive shit on the canon lately. Absolutely fuck God form and these dorky Sayians like Tarble and Gine. I find it hard to believe a warrior race would allow people like them to live among them, or how they would survive in the first place. I know Tarble was eventually banished but it seems so out of character for King Vegeta... why didn't he blast Tarble to dust instead? The sayians on planet Vegeta are supposed to be freaking mericless and blood thirsty, I hate this new portrayal of them. You can understand why I hate God form.

Any kind of family or race has a black sheep or odd one out in it. In this case it was Gine and Tarble. But it didn't really change anything as far as the story went. Goku was bound to get sent to Earth one way or another and Tarble was just thrown in for the sack of some zany, off the wall Dragon Ball-ish moments for Vegeta and Z-Fighters to have. They were unnecessary but harmless additions to the Dragon Ball universe.

[Colonel Silver]

No, you're not. I hate that Akira Toriyama insists on taking a massive shit on the canon lately. Absolutely fuck God form and these dorky Sayians like Tarble and Gine. I find it hard to believe a warrior race would allow people like them to live among them, or how they would survive in the first place. I know Tarble was eventually banished but it seems so out of character for King Vegeta... why didn't he blast Tarble to dust instead? The sayians on planet Vegeta are supposed to be freaking mericless and blood thirsty, I hate this new portrayal of them. You can understand why I hate God form.

Any kind of family or race has a black sheep or odd one out in it. In this case it was Gine and Tarble. But it didn't really change anything as far as the story went. Goku was bound to get sent to Earth one way or another and Tarble was just thrown in for the sack of some zany, off the wall Dragon Ball-ish moments for Vegeta and Z-Fighters to have. They were unnecessary but harmless additions to the Dragon Ball universe.

I feel like it cheapens Goku and the Sayians. Suddenly every other Saiyan has a heart of gold, doesn't sit right with me. Then I'm supposed to believe an entire group of pure hearted sayians existed at one point? Then they had the idea to perform this ritual from out their asses? So contrived and lame.

These harmless additions are going to amass into something real shitty eventually.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Maybe it's just me, but I've always found it a bit harder to believe that the entire race of Saiyans was evil anyway. I mean, an entire race of people that's nothing but evil, not one single solitary member of said race having any kind of empathy for others or anything? That's pretty unrealistic (though yes, I realize we're talking about a universe populated by people named after foods and undergarments amongst other things). So while I admit I never put much thought into it before Table, Gine, or Super Saiyan God came around, the idea that there used to be some naturally good, or at least less brutal, Saiyans? I can roll with that.

I mean, with Gine, she's still married to Bardock who, even in Minus, seems to fight for Freeza initially and take over other people's planets. She doesn't seem to bat an eye about his going around murdering people as a job, so just because she happens to care for her children, and Bardock starts to feel the same way...that doesn't really make them not evil on some level. It just makes them somewhat less brutal than the majority of their race, and even Vegeta was seemingly noted for being even more brutal than most Saiyans normally were.

And as for the good Saiyans in the distant past that pulled off the first Super Saiyan God ritual? I wasn't sure how to feel about that at first either, but when you think about it, they're kind of the punchline to a morbid joke. 'Oh, yeah, there were some actually pretty decent Saiyans once upon a time. They even achieved something grander than a Super Saiyan! ...Kinda died anyway though.'

[Eire]

I guess I have the opposite problem- suddenly it turns that every Saiyan we see closer is not so bad.
For the majority of human history empathy was reserved for member of own social group. And nobody bat an eye. More- no matter how many times Dowton Abbey shows that only evil people had morals now considered evil, past wasn't like today just with more stylish clothes. For example rin ancient Rome pater familis had the right to kill every member of his family when he decided so and non- citizens had near to no rights. Does it make them evil all along?
I have a feeling that Toriyama can't bring himself to portray culture diffrent enough from ours and just must put some traits that would "redeem" them and make more sympathetic.

[Colonel Silver]

Maybe it's just me, but I've always found it a bit harder to believe that the entire race of Saiyans was evil anyway. I mean, an entire race of people that's nothing but evil, not one single solitary member of said race having any kind of empathy for others or anything? That's pretty unrealistic (though yes, I realize we're talking about a universe populated by people named after foods and undergarments amongst other things). So while I admit I never put much thought into it before Table, Gine, or Super Saiyan God came around, the idea that there used to be some naturally good, or at least less brutal, Saiyans? I can roll with that.'

It makes perfect sense that all sayians would be inherently evil. They're born and bred to kill. They're a freaking warrior race, killing and conquering planets was all they did, it's all they know. It doesn't make sense that there would be kind hearted people on that planet, I mean, how would an entire group of sayians even become pure hearted treehugging losers? It took a drop on the head to make Goku who he is now, I just can't get behind this. As for the sayians that can't fight, from what was shown in the manga and anime, characters like Gine and Tarble would not have been tolerated by the Sayians or Freeza. Sayians have pride in their abilities and heritage, they wouldn't let these people exist to shit all over that.