So what exactly is this SSGSS?

[Lord Frieza]

Well Beerus did state that Goku had absorbed SSG's power.

So maybe it works like this, during the second half of his fight with Beerus Goku had a big power increase from absorbing the god power but had no idea how to tap into it. But at the end of the fight Goku somehow taped into that new well of power by sheer desperation and went SSG.

Maybe SSGSS is an incomplete version of SSG. Perhaps Goku and Vegeta dont know how to trigger the full transformation so they have instead learned to draw out some of their god power while going super saiyan.

Put simple they have a new power inside them but no way to use it so they do the best they can.

Think of Super Saiyan God like this . . .




and SSGSS like this . . .

[FortuneSSJ]

-I love the flame concept.
-Blue is my favourite color.

But the name, oh god, the name is horrible. I still can't believe its officially called super saiyan god super saiyan. Too embarrassing to be true.

Anyway, I like the form but we don't need more colors.

[Bullza]

The name is a horrible mouthful, I don't know what they were thinking when they came up with that. I'll be interested to see if it's kept when it appears in any games.

As for the appearance, it doesn't look too bad at all but I'd have preferred it had they kept the Magenta version. Maybe they could have changed it up a little but the colour scheme was better for that I thought.

I don't really think the colour suits them all too well to be honest. They seem more suited to warm colours.

But like I said before if Frieza's Gold and has a Flame aura then it wouldn't have looked right visually if Goku was similar and the Gold x Blue thing does look pretty cool in the fight scenes.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The name is a horrible mouthful, I don't know what they were thinking when they came up with that. I'll be interested to see if it's kept when it appears in any games.

It's already been kept in Heroes, Extreme Butoden, Dokkan Battle, Discross and Xenoverse.

[singsing]

Just to clarify, this form is supposed to be as strong as the red SSG without the ritual correct? Because I don't see a lot of information pointing towards that which is unfortunate, and

Spoiler:

only makes it seem like it's far superior to the original SSG transformation.

[fadeddreams5]

Just to clarify, this form is supposed to be as strong as the red SSG without the ritual correct? Because I don't see a lot of information pointing towards that which is unfortunate, and

Spoiler:

only makes it seem like it's far superior to the original SSG transformation.

I initially figured SSGSS was him accessing his SSJG powers by using his SSJ form instead of a ritual. However, most signs now seem to point to that form being superior.

[singsing]

Just to clarify, this form is supposed to be as strong as the red SSG without the ritual correct? Because I don't see a lot of information pointing towards that which is unfortunate, and

Spoiler:

only makes it seem like it's far superior to the original SSG transformation.

I initially figured SSGSS was him accessing his SSJG powers by using his SSJ form instead of a ritual. However, most signs now seem to point to that form being superior.

Yea, it's appearing to be that way, but I thought and heard that it's merely just SSG powers in SSJ form, so they're supposed to be even . So now I'm confused and a little sad. Anyone else that knows for sure able to shed some light?

[Bullza]

I don't really think anyone knows for sure, I don't think there's been a form like this before that's been so up in the air.

The other forms were pretty straight forward and there was a easy comparison to be made power level wise but newest one I don't know what to make of it.

Is Goku able to turn into a SSG anymore? Is the entire purpose of combining the SSJ power with the SSG power just to power up the form even more?

I fully expect him to be stronger but to what extent? It can't be that significant if he's still weaker than Beerus.

Is it as simple as him just turning Super Saiyan but he's different now because he absorbed the God powers or was it something he had to learn?

In the movie Goku says "it's complicated but..." Am I supposed to take that as Toriyama not really knowing himself and it was just a throwaway line to introduce another form for marketing purposes?

It'd be nice if a future guide or even DB Super were to explain it better because I don't like this not really knowing what it is fully.

[singsing]

From the summary the way Goku describes it makes it sound like it's nothing more than accessing SSG's power without using the ritual... but then there are promotional material that would say otherwise, which is really confusing.

[Hitiro]

-I love the flame concept.
-Blue is my favourite color.

But the name, oh god, the name is horrible. I still can't believe its officially called super saiyan god super saiyan. Too embarrassing to be true.

Anyway, I like the form but we don't need more colors.

I still think it should be called something like GPSSJ(God Power/Powered SSJ). It's simple and actually states what the form actually does, infuse SSJ with Godly Power.

[supercat]

Would we say that Freeza in his first form is comparable to SSJ2 or SSJ3 levels?

I would say he is much stronger than Cell, but not quite as strong as SS3 Goku. What impression did he caused to you when he attacked Gohan?

Why would you say that he's not quite as strong as SSJ3 Goku? Personally, I don't find it too far-fetched that First Form Frieza after training could be at a level where he is able to rival Kid Buu and SSJ3 Goku from the Buu arc.

[Bullza]

If Frieza was that strong wouldn't he have punched a hole whole straight through Gohan?

He could be weaker than a SSJ2 even, though probably not by much.

White and Purple Frieza could be the equivilant of one of Super Vegito's forms and then Golden Frieza is God level. Maybe something like that.

[supercat]

If Freeza was that strong wouldn't he have punched a hole whole straight through Gohan?

He could be weaker than a SSJ2 even, though probably not by much.

White and Purple Freeza could be the equivilant of one of Super Vegito's forms and then Golden Freeza is God level. Maybe something like that.

I just find it hard to believe that Piccolo and Gohan would have been that surprised or concerned if Frieza was weaker than an SSJ2 or Super Perfect Cell. It's hard to determine where Gohan stands in FnF, but I feel after sensing beings like Super Buu, Piccolo wouldn't make the remark he did at the level of concern both he and Gohan expressed.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Well Beerus did state that Goku had absorbed SSG's power.

So maybe it works like this, during the second half of his fight with Beerus Goku had a big power increase from absorbing the god power but had no idea how to tap into it. But at the end of the fight Goku somehow taped into that new well of power by sheer desperation and went SSG.

Maybe SSGSS is an incomplete version of SSG. Perhaps Goku and Vegeta dont know how to trigger the full transformation so they have instead learned to draw out some of their god power while going super saiyan.

Put simple they have a new power inside them but no way to use it so they do the best they can.

Think of Super Saiyan God like this . . .

Spoiler:

and SSGSS like this . . .

Spoiler:

But SSGSS is supposed to be stronger than SSG. The Saiyan beyond God state that Goku & Vegeta have achieved by absorbing the SSG power in their base is insignificantly weaker than SSG (Beerus says it in BoG & his fight with Goku shows it, and Toriyama even says that Goku doesn't need SSG anymore, and that's before he had achieved SSGSS), while SSGSS is supposed to give a significant increase in power. and even the promotional stuff about SSGSS call it "Goku's latest ultimate form", and a form that "exceeds not only legend, but myth".

[dbgtFO]

But SSGSS is supposed to be stronger than SSG. The Saiyan beyond God state that Goku & Vegeta have achieved by absorbing the SSG power in their base is insignificantly weaker than SSG (Beerus says it in BoG & his fight with Goku shows it, and Toriyama even says that Goku doesn't need SSG anymore, and that's before he had achieved SSGSS), while SSGSS is supposed to give a significant increase in power. and even the promotional stuff about SSGSS call it "Goku's latest ultimate form", and a form that "exceeds not only legend, but myth".

All of that makes no sense to me. I don't understand why Goku going Super Saiyan post-SSG didn't make his hair blue, if the above is how we are supposed to view it(most likely, Toriyama first got the idea for Blueper Saiyan for [F] after getting a little wink, wink, nudge, nudge from some Toei/Shueisha/Bandai top dog wanting a new form to base some merchandise on).

I think Goku's base and Super Saiyan forms were only close to SSG during that part in BoG, due to Goku not losing completely grip of his God powers and he then tapped into SSG one final time and then lost all of it.
I don't think base Goku in [F] is insignificantly weaker than SSG from BoG and SSGSS should be Goku tapping into the entirety of his god powers, since he can't access it all in base.
I'd love for Toriyama to clarify the whole situation.

[Low Tone G]

But SSGSS is supposed to be stronger than SSG. The Saiyan beyond God state that Goku & Vegeta have achieved by absorbing the SSG power in their base is insignificantly weaker than SSG (Beerus says it in BoG & his fight with Goku shows it, and Toriyama even says that Goku doesn't need SSG anymore, and that's before he had achieved SSGSS), while SSGSS is supposed to give a significant increase in power. and even the promotional stuff about SSGSS call it "Goku's latest ultimate form", and a form that "exceeds not only legend, but myth".

All of that makes no sense to me. I don't understand why Goku going Super Saiyan post-SSG didn't make his hair blue, if the above is how we are supposed to view it(most likely, Toriyama first got the idea for Blueper Saiyan for [F] after getting a little wink, wink, nudge, nudge from some Toei/Shueisha/Bandai top dog wanting a new form to base some merchandise on).

I think Goku's base and Super Saiyan forms were only close to SSG during that part in BoG, due to Goku not losing completely grip of his God powers and he then tapped into SSG one final time and then lost all of it.
I don't think base Goku in [F] is insignificantly weaker than SSG from BoG and SSGSS should be Goku tapping into the entirety of his god powers, since he can't access it all in base.
I'd love for Toriyama to clarify the whole situation.

The whole case makes sense to me if the SSGSS form is only the result of training... So If Goku has a different fuel now in his Base and SSJ forms, then he can tap his gains in his SSJ form which becomes blue now pointing out his God powered traits.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

All of that makes no sense to me. I don't understand why Goku going Super Saiyan post-SSG didn't make his hair blue, if the above is how we are supposed to view it.

I don't think Goku absorbed the power of SSG fully at that point, as Beerus more or less said his body felt what the power of SSG felt like and rolled with it, sort of like an adrenaline rush I guess? and then it wore out and Beerus used his Earth Buster move, and then Goku turned SSG again and absorbed it, at that point I think it was when he absorbed the SSG fully too. That is how I rationale it anyway.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

All of that makes no sense to me. I don't understand why Goku going Super Saiyan post-SSG didn't make his hair blue, if the above is how we are supposed to view it(most likely, Toriyama first got the idea for Blueper Saiyan for [F] after getting a little wink, wink, nudge, nudge from some Toei/Shueisha/Bandai top dog wanting a new form to base some merchandise on).

Goku just went Super Saiyan in BoG, while in FnF, he doesn't just go Super Saiyan, it even takes a few seconds for him (and Vegeta) to transform, plus, the promo stuff say that Goku achieved SSGSS after doing training with Whis. So, it's not just base Goku going Super Saiyan after absorbing the SSG power, and Goku does say to Freeza that it's hard to explain. Maybe we will find out more in DBS.

To me, after watching how the transformation goes, it looks like that in order to transform into a SSGSS, you have to begin the transformation into a SSG (which generates the blue aura), and at that moment, you transform into a Super Saiyan, combining the 2 forms, which gives greater power.

I think Goku's base and Super Saiyan forms were only close to SSG during that part in BoG, due to Goku not losing completely grip of his God powers and he then tapped into SSG one final time and then lost all of it.
I don't think base Goku in [F] is insignificantly weaker than SSG from BoG and SSGSS should be Goku tapping into the entirety of his god powers, since he can't access it all in base.

But there is no implication that Goku got weaker, and Toriyama even confirms that after the fight with Beerus, Goku doesn't need SSG anymore because he has absorbed the power. He says after the fight with Beerus, and made the statement when BoG was still fresh, so he is definitely not talking about Goku not needing it because of SSGSS. Even the FnF manga shows that base Goku has the power of Super Saiyan God.

[Bullza]

If Super Saiyan God Goku in BoG = Base Goku in RoF (which is entirely possible) then why does this new SSGSS form give him such a minimal boost in power?

That doesnt really make much sense, the Shonen Jump article makes it sound like it's far superior and it was enough for Frieza to realise he was holding back.

But if he's still weaker than Beerus then his strength wouldn't even increase by so much as 50% making it in a way the worst transformation of them all.

So the small difference in power is just what the strength of Super Saiyan (3?) amounts to?

[Doctor.]

To me, it simply sounds like:

Base Goku = Some of SSG's power
SSJ Goku in BoG = Close to SSG's full power (Beerus says in BoG that Goku managed to keep SSG's power without loosing TOO much, implying he lost some of it)
SSGSS = Literally just SSG's power + SS's power

So, kinda like

Base Goku in BoG/FnF: 3.5
SS Goku in BoG: 5
SSG Goku: 6
SSGSS Goku: 6
Beerus at 70%: 7