Things that grind your gears

[Ajay]

Super's production and writing : Super has everything and more to be a great show and a worthy successor to the original but for some unknown reason, everyone involved is putting in as little effort as possible.

These comments grind my gears. Super may not have the best animation ever, but how can you say that everyone involved has no passion/isn't trying? Do you think animators and the rest of the production staff go into this difficult industry for the great wealth and fame they'll get? Do you think Toriyama has no artistic pride for the main creative work of his life?

I agree.

Though myself and many others disagreed with Smith's point about model consistency when this was first posted -- especially with long-running shows -- I'm going to leave this here since I think it's important:

"Animators Aren't Lazy!" by RogerSmith2004

[SSJ Human]

When DBZ fans base their views of DB purely on the very first arc as though it's indicative of the entire series.

The first arc's never anything to measure an entire series by, because it's not the entire series.

[PsionicWarrior]

Super's production and writing : Super has everything and more to be a great show and a worthy successor to the original but for some unknown reason, everyone involved is putting in as little effort as possible.

These comments grind my gears. Super may not have the best animation ever, but how can you say that everyone involved has no passion/isn't trying? Do you think animators and the rest of the production staff go into this difficult industry for the great wealth and fame they'll get? Do you think Toriyama has no artistic pride for the main creative work of his life?

If they are really trying with passion as you say then they should resign as they fail miserably. Don't get me wrong I do enjoy Super for the most part but some things are just completely off and critics about it are perfectly warranted IMHO

[sangofe]

"This [inser name of fan/comic/animation/fic] is two hundred times better than Super!"

Oh god, I ran into an instance of this recently that made me laugh (and cry).

It was a Saitama vs Goku fan animation and all of the comments were along the lines of, "Wow, they should hire you for Super!"

Every single bit of animation was traced from somewhere else -- Super included! How fans can be so blind baffles me.

This.

One thing that really disheartens me is just how malicious some Funi-Dub fans can be (and Ocean Dub people toward them, then again that was years ago and maybe they've changed...) towards people who're JP sub fans...

For reference, I'm a dub-to-sub convert who still has affection for the Funi cast, I was introduced to the series when I was a toddler via my mother and the dub, there was no way I'd be indoctrinated into DB via the sub unless my mother was a subbed anime fan which she's not, though she's watched sub anime with me.

But more to the point, just...yeah, some Funi Dub fans (not the majority I don't think) , they can just be so unneededly malicious and it makes me upset to see that.

What? Is this what fans call superb animation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw5aMnNIES0

To me it's not good at all... At least the first part wasn't.

[PsionicWarrior]

What? Is this what fans call superb animation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw5aMnNIES0

To me it's not good at all... At least the first part wasn't.

Lol that was really bad.

[sintzu]

How can you say that everyone involved has no passion/isn't trying ?

Do you think animators and the rest of the production staff go into this difficult industry for the great wealth and fame they'll get ?

Do you think Toriyama has no artistic pride for the main creative work of his life ?

You're right, there are great episodes like 27 so clearly someone cares but they're far and few between and most of the time we're stuck with mediocrity.

They go in it with the same mindset as anyone who makes a career choice, they think it's the best option in front of them.

I'm sure he does, more so than anyone can imagine which is why he took over everything after DB Evolution but can you honestly say he did everything he could with a Freeza resurrection story ? was bringing him back, doing nothing new with him and killing him off right away the best and only thing that could've been done with him ?

What about U6, was a Freeza clone, a Saiyan and a forgettable Winnie the pooh lookalike the best characters he could come up with ? or that having the entire tournament focus on 2 characters be the only option ?

Toriyama broke his back and more during the original's run so he'll always be my favorite Mangaka for that but can you say he's doing the same for Super ? I'm not saying I want him to put his health on the line or anything like that but I think he should be a bit more creative and hands on with super than he currently is.

[SSJ Human]

What? Is this what fans call superb animation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw5aMnNIES0

To me it's not good at all... At least the first part wasn't.

It's way better than anything I could ever do.

[Bansho64]

What? Is this what fans call superb animation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw5aMnNIES0

To me it's not good at all... At least the first part wasn't.

It's way better than anything I could ever do.

No, I'm pretty sure anyone could do that and much more with a lot of time, practice, and rotoscoping. Not to sound like a hater or a broken record but literally 90% of that whole thing was just filled with recycled art and animation cuts.

[sangofe]

What? Is this what fans call superb animation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw5aMnNIES0

To me it's not good at all... At least the first part wasn't.

It's way better than anything I could ever do.

Yeah, for me too, but when people want him to animate super... that's why I commented what I did.

[SSJ Human]

What? Is this what fans call superb animation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw5aMnNIES0

To me it's not good at all... At least the first part wasn't.

It's way better than anything I could ever do.

No, I'm pretty sure anyone could do that and much more with a lot of time, practice, and rotoscoping. Not to sound like a hater or a broken record but literally 90% of that whole thing was just filled with recycled art and animation cuts.

You haven't seen my attempts at animation. That is far greater than my ability. I kid you not. I will never criticize anything that I cannot compete with. Case in point, if I talk about Super in a negative way, I would only talk about its story since I genuinely believe I could write a better one than some of the material featured in it.

Whereas you're pretty sure, I am sure.

[Bansho64]

You haven't seen my attempts at animation. That is far greater than my ability. I kid you not. I will never criticize anything that I cannot compete with. Case in point, if I talk about Super in a negative way, I would only talk about its story since I genuinely believe I could write a better one than some of the material featured in it.

Whereas you're pretty sure, I am sure.

Your right, I haven't. I don't necessarily agree with your viewpoint on criticism though. I feel that things can be criticized by a person regardless of their abilities. For example, I happen to dislike Nathan Johnson's replacment score for the Saiyan and the Namek arcs. I have many different criticisms for it and I feel that some of them are valid but I myself can't write, play, or even place good music. I'm learning guitar but I can't play any of the parts in his score. Same with Faulconer's score. Everyone should be able to criticize something regardless of their abilities. Our different likes and dislikes are what make us who we are and it makes us unique. Expressing our opinions and criticisms is good and it creates different discussions and feedback. You don't have to be able to do something than someone else to be able to criticize it. That's just my viewpoint though

[sintzu]

6- Looking down at the Japanese cast : What I mean by this is fans who judge and hate the entire Japanese cast based on Nozawa's performance as Goku which is very unfair to everyone else like Freeza, Vegeta & Beerus' voices to name a few.

7- Ignorance regarding DB : It's gotten less but there are still people who say that the original DB is just Goku's unimportant childish adventures as a kid and Z is the real deal which couldn't be further from the truth cause not only does he alongside everyone else grow up in DB and go through a lot of development but the 2 piccolo arcs are very close to Z's.

[Kanassa]

2- Super's production and writing : Super has everything and more to be a great show and a worthy successor to the original but for some unknown reason, everyone involved is putting in as little effort as possible.

I may sound a broken record, but again - Grinds my gears when people just assume the worst of the creators whenever somthing they don't like occurs. It's in the same vein of arguments where you simplyssume that the opponent can't just be wrong, they have to have an agenda.

5- Fanboys and haters : I'm not talking about people who see the good and bad in something and judge it based on both aspects, I'm talking about the blind ones who will hate or praise something to no end just because.

The pot needs to stop calling out the kettle for being black. Seriously, you say a lot that you like Super, but I barley ever see anything from you regarding Super that isn't blind hatred; especially considering my point above.

[ABED]

When DBZ fans base their views of DB purely on the very first arc as though it's indicative of the entire series.

The first arc's never anything to measure an entire series by, because it's not the entire series.

Are we talking in general or Dragon Ball specifically.

[sintzu]

You say a lot that you like Super, but I barley ever see anything from you regarding Super that isn't blind hatred.

I liked Vegeta's vacation in EP2.
I also liked how menacing Beerus was.
I think the Ssjg ritual was an improvement over the movie's.
Ssj Goku ve Beerus was well done.
The RF story was a huge improvement over the movie's, especially the ending.
Vegeta reaching Ssjg & ssjb on his own was a great addition.
I really enjoyed the tournament.
I think hit and his technique were great.
I loved Goku's Kaioken attack against him.
Black is one of the best characters introduced in the franchise so far and I hope he sticks around.
I'm still very interested in the current arc.
Giving Trunks Ssj2 was something I wanted for awhile.
I liked that they finally told us what happened with Buu during his timeline.
I really hope we get to visit planet Salad and see Vegeta fully train Cabba.
I'm looking foreword to seeing the fighters from the multiple universes during the upcoming tournament.

So as you can see I think Super has done good things and I believe it will continue to do so and I hope that Toriyama will keep writing new arcs for as long as possibe but the reason you see me complain a lot about it is because the things I don't like which I'll mention below are in nearly every episode compared to the above.

Bad writing.
Unfunny gags.
Pilaf's gang.
Goku's characterization.
The other characters not getting anything to do.
The art style.
The character designs.
The animation.
The mediocre fights.
The current arc's pacing.
The lack of tension.

[SSJ Human]

When DBZ fans base their views of DB purely on the very first arc as though it's indicative of the entire series.

The first arc's never anything to measure an entire series by, because it's not the entire series.

Are we talking in general or Dragon Ball specifically.

In general.

[ABED]

IN that case, it's not uncommon for the first season of a TV show be great and the best. Veronica Mars is a great example. The whole show is great, but that first season is flawless.

[Rubens]

(...) treating power level math as the word of god (...) and intense cynicism for Super.

These greatly grinds my gears. Specially the first.

[Hero]

A big issue that grinds my gears (and the gears of many people) is when people don't even try to understand the opposite side's opinion. This isn't to anyone specifically, by the way.

I'm talking about people who enjoy Super but have a problem with people who constantly bash it. As long as the people criticizing the show aren't trolling, they should be allowed to bash as much and as loudly as possible. This is a forum for sharing opinions after all.

I'm talking about the Super bashers too, though. I hate Super, but if someone loves the show and explains why then who is anyone else to try to take it away from them.

[SSJ Human]

A big issue that grinds my gears (and the gears of many people) is when people don't even try to understand the opposite side's opinion. This isn't to anyone specifically, by the way.

This. Every single time I post something that I feel may possibly be unique to me or a few people, you always have two or three guys who will flat out put you down for even thinking differently.