Mastered Ultra Instinct [Spoiler Discussion Thread]

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Post by Low Tone G » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:08 am

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Not bad, but I prefer the omen over this one...!
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Post by thegamer23 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:10 am

I've got a feeling. That tonight's going gobbe a good night.

I just hope we won't get Mastered UI in the last minute of the episode.

It would be terrible to wait two weeks without having seen the UI in action :(

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Post by dbgtFO » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:20 am

What's with the purple in Goku's aura?
He's a GoD too??
Maybe he'll gain mastery over Destruction and Creation :think:
But seriously it does look good. At least they are doing the form justice with this look.
ekrolo2 wrote:Goku's "mastered UI" should've just been his Base form like in the opening. That'd be a nice visual way to showcase how he's completely mastered himself.
On that note, I wonder, if they'll update the opening for the final two episodes to showcase UI Goku appearing from the massive power-up instead of base Goku.
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Re: Mastered Ultra Instinct [Spoiler Discussion Thread]

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:22 am

Goku's "mastered UI" should've just been his Base form like in the opening. That'd be a nice visual way to showcase how he's completely mastered himself.
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Post by GodVegetto91 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:15 am

dbgtFO wrote:What's with the purple in Goku's aura?
He's a GoD too??
Maybe he'll gain mastery over Destruction and Creation :think:
But seriously it does look good. At least they are doing the form justice with this look.

Uhm, don’t know which version of UI Omen you have seen up until now, but the UI Omen i know has always had purple within it’s aura. In fact that’s what’s always made it so cool.

The UI Omen’s aura has always had 3 different colors:
1. Silver/whiteish
2. Light blue
3. Purple/lilla

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Post by PerhapsTheOtherOne » Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:14 am

The Complete Ultra Instinct is HERE!

I gotta admit..... it's pretty f**king awesome.

Goku even had this kind of Kenshiro-thing going on with the form where every time he dodged Jiren's blows, Jiren suddenly felt a flurry of blows a moment afterwards. I'm not sure if this is Goku simply being fast enough to land all those blows in that single moment, or if he landed those blows beforehand and was so fast about it that Jiren didn't even react to it until a millisecond later.

Either way, HOLY SH*T.

I now must see Son Goku do Kenshiro's thing.

Goku: You're already defeated, Jiren. *cue flurry of blows that make Jiren explode*

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You know, I kinda wished that Goku would retain that silvery-white all-encompassing aura around him that covers him completely and obscures his body when he initially attains the Complete Ultra Instinct.

It looks SO DAMN COOL, and would LOVE if Goku looked that way when using the Complete Ultra Instinct.

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Re: Mastered Ultra Instinct [Spoiler Discussion Thread]

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:06 am

Guess #129 cleared up UI was "only meant to be a technique not a form" argument that people were complaining about.

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Post by PerhapsTheOtherOne » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:16 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Guess #129 cleared up UI was "only meant to be a technique not a form" argument that people were complaining about.
You know, something I noticed....

Beerus seems to recognize the look that Complete Ultra Instinct Goku has to him, as though the silver hair and aura are specifically traits of the Ultra Instinct.

It MIGHT be that the Ultra Instinct as a whole is a transformation, just one that potentially anyone can utilize, and that, up until Goku finally utilized the mastered version of this power, we've never seen anyone transform into this state.

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Post by Simere » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:38 am

PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Guess #129 cleared up UI was "only meant to be a technique not a form" argument that people were complaining about.
You know, something I noticed....

Beerus seems to recognize the look that Complete Ultra Instinct Goku has to him, as though the silver hair and aura are specifically traits of the Ultra Instinct.

It MIGHT be that the Ultra Instinct as a whole is a transformation, just one that potentially anyone can utilize, and that, up until Goku finally utilized the mastered version of this power, we've never seen anyone transform into this state.
It turns out that Whirus was a teaser for Beerus's UI form.

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Post by Kanious » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:09 am

PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Guess #129 cleared up UI was "only meant to be a technique not a form" argument that people were complaining about.
You know, something I noticed....

Beerus seems to recognize the look that Complete Ultra Instinct Goku has to him, as though the silver hair and aura are specifically traits of the Ultra Instinct.

It MIGHT be that the Ultra Instinct as a whole is a transformation, just one that potentially anyone can utilize, and that, up until Goku finally utilized the mastered version of this power, we've never seen anyone transform into this state.
i think it is like god ki. Beerus, Whis and Shin can use it without transforming. For them these are only abilities, but for saiyans they should transform. I think the same apply to UI. The gods and angels probably don't need to transform to use it, they can activate without having visual change.

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Re: Mastered Ultra Instinct [Spoiler Discussion Thread]

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:23 am

Kanious wrote:
PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Guess #129 cleared up UI was "only meant to be a technique not a form" argument that people were complaining about.
You know, something I noticed....

Beerus seems to recognize the look that Complete Ultra Instinct Goku has to him, as though the silver hair and aura are specifically traits of the Ultra Instinct.

It MIGHT be that the Ultra Instinct as a whole is a transformation, just one that potentially anyone can utilize, and that, up until Goku finally utilized the mastered version of this power, we've never seen anyone transform into this state.
i think it is like god ki. Beerus, Whis and Shin can use it without transforming. For them these are only abilities, but for saiyans they should transform. I think the same apply to UI. The gods and angels probably don't need to transform to use it, they can activate without having visual change.
Beerus specifically said "the form... That glow" heavily implying he's seen/heard it before which implies the gods do go under some sort of change.

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Post by ZenkaiBoosts » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:31 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Kanious wrote:
PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote: You know, something I noticed....

Beerus seems to recognize the look that Complete Ultra Instinct Goku has to him, as though the silver hair and aura are specifically traits of the Ultra Instinct.

It MIGHT be that the Ultra Instinct as a whole is a transformation, just one that potentially anyone can utilize, and that, up until Goku finally utilized the mastered version of this power, we've never seen anyone transform into this state.
i think it is like god ki. Beerus, Whis and Shin can use it without transforming. For them these are only abilities, but for saiyans they should transform. I think the same apply to UI. The gods and angels probably don't need to transform to use it, they can activate without having visual change.
Beerus specifically said "the form... That glow" heavily implying he's seen/heard it before which implies the gods do go under some sort of change.
Yep.

There's an interesting theory that the angels already transformed into it, and stay in that state of being 24/7.

Kind of like how once Frieza transformed into his final form, Frieza now lives in his final form 24/7 or can't go back etc

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Post by Grimlock » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:40 pm

That's because Freeza's final form is his base form. Remember his order of transformation works backwards. He created the other forms to contain his power. There's no reason for him to revert to other weaker transformations if his base form is the strongest one.

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Post by ZenkaiBoosts » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:52 pm

Grimlock wrote:That's because Freeza's final form is his base form. Remember his order of transformation works backwards. He created the other forms to contain his power. There's no reason for him to revert to other weaker transformations if his base form is the strongest one.
The sayians have reached forms that far far surpass their base and earlier forms, yet will stay in base or transform to weaker forms.

What ever the case is, I'm just relaying the theory I've heard about the angels lol. I'm just the messenger lol..

It could be a very real possibility though

I'm also interested to know if Goku can transform into MUI any time he wants.

At the least, Goku can now activate Omen at will. As per when Goku awakened Omen for the 3rd time, one of the gods on the sidelines said so or implied so. I forgot the exact quote

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Post by Marlowe89 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:46 pm

Kanious wrote: i think it is like god ki. Beerus, Whis and Shin can use it without transforming. For them these are only abilities, but for saiyans they should transform. I think the same apply to UI. The gods and angels probably don't need to transform to use it, they can activate without having visual change.
That's where I'm leaning as well, and it meshes with the fact that Whis said Saiyans generally obtain new power via transformations. That just seems to be how they're biologically inclined.

Moreover, we already know how Ultra Instinct appears when other characters use the technique. Beerus undergoes no physical change and hasn't mastered it yet anyway, whereas it might just be a natural state of being for Whis.

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Post by Kanious » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:06 pm

Marlowe89 wrote: That's where I'm leaning as well, and it meshes with the fact that Whis said Saiyans generally obtain new power via transformations. That just seems to be how they're biologically inclined.

Moreover, we already know how Ultra Instinct appears when other characters use the technique. Beerus undergoes no physical change and hasn't mastered it yet anyway, whereas it might just be a natural state of being for Whis.
And also there's the fact the Dragon Ball is all about transformations. Marketing. I think that if DB ever comes again as an animated series, probably we'll have transformations ad infinitum, even if we have a series with the new generation in the future... it is very likely that saiyans will have new transformations again and again.

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Post by Bebi Hatchiyack » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:43 am

When I look at Goku's Migatte no Gokui I have a quote from Fifty Shade of Grey who pop out of my mind

Goku Grey: My desire for battle are unconventional !
Jiren Steele: So show me !
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Post by thegamer23 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:55 am

Limit-Break OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBDl_wm9aw4

This could be playing at the climax of the fight, i think

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Post by Simere » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:59 am

thegamer23 wrote:Limit-Break OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBDl_wm9aw4

This could be playing at the climax of the fight, i think
I hope so. I was actually hoping it would play when he mastered it. I had been listening to this track picturing the angels standing up in respect, so when the GoDs did it...but no.

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Post by HeroR » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:22 am

ZenkaiBoosts wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Kanious wrote:
i think it is like god ki. Beerus, Whis and Shin can use it without transforming. For them these are only abilities, but for saiyans they should transform. I think the same apply to UI. The gods and angels probably don't need to transform to use it, they can activate without having visual change.
Beerus specifically said "the form... That glow" heavily implying he's seen/heard it before which implies the gods do go under some sort of change.
Yep.

There's an interesting theory that the angels already transformed into it, and stay in that state of being 24/7.

Kind of like how once Frieza transformed into his final form, Frieza now lives in his final form 24/7 or can't go back etc
Except final form Freeza is his true form. The other forms were shells. Golden Freeza is the only 'power-up' form he has and he obviously can't hold it if his stamina is too low.
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