What’s everyone’s opinion on how the manga has so far handled the Universe Survival arc compared to the anime?

[PsionicWarrior]

This manga wasted some interesting characters which hurt it in my opinion

The manga wasted chars that we did not care about while the anime gave tons of screens to chars we did not care about so ehh.....
I liked 38, it is well-drawn and we get nice tidbits of lore, but insofar I don't like ToP neither in the anime neither in the manga so much, I don't hate it, but eehhh.... lol

[supersaiyanZero]

I've noticed that that fans of the anime usually come out attacking the manga for the lack of fanservice/flashy gimmicks that the anime provided, while does who defend the manga do so because they prefer the superior execution and writing. It really does show you the split in the Dragonball hive mind.

And when it comes to execution, you really cannot argue. For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

[VegettoEX]

For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

This is not how art critique works. Different people value different things at different levels for different reasons based on their preconceptions, experience, wants, needs, and the environment in which they're consuming said piece of artwork.

There is no hivemind, and there are no "sides" split evenly down the middle. This is all made up and fabricated as something easy to argue against.

[Pokesamus217]

I've noticed that that fans of the anime usually come out attacking the manga for the lack of fanservice/flashy gimmicks that the anime provided, while does who defend the manga do so because they prefer the superior execution and writing. It really does show you the split in the Dragonball hive mind.

And when it comes to execution, you really cannot argue. For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

Well there’s the lack of strong character moments, the fact that nearly every antagonist was never an actual threat, the weird flip flopping of SSB’s weakness (in one arc, the problem is that they can only transform into it once, without drastically lowering their power, so in the next arc Vegeta gets around that by repeatedly transforming between SSG and SSB..... what?), and the fact that the Goku and Vegeta focus is even worse than in the anime.

[1345521]

I've noticed that that fans of the anime usually come out attacking the manga for the lack of fanservice/flashy gimmicks that the anime provided, while does who defend the manga do so because they prefer the superior execution and writing. It really does show you the split in the Dragonball hive mind.

And when it comes to execution, you really cannot argue. For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

Well there’s the lack of strong character moments, the fact that nearly every antagonist was never an actual threat, the weird flip flopping of SSB’s weakness (in one arc, the problem is that they can only transform into it once, without drastically lowering their power, so in the next arc Vegeta gets around that by repeatedly transforming between SSG and SSB..... what?), and the fact that the Goku and Vegeta focus is even worse than in the anime.

Or maybe because tha protagonist are smarter in the manga, like I don't get why you guys FAIL to see how MUCH SMARTER AND BETTER FIGHTERS manga goku and vegeta.

And how can you say the manga lacks character moments when I prefer all of these characters in the manga over the anime:
Goku
Vegeta
Berrus
Black
Merged zamsu
Kuririn
Belmod
Jiren
Toppo
Dyspo (slightly...)
Ribiranne
Frost
Cabba
KALE
Caulifa
Anirzaza (he actually can speak...give me that over movie villian rip off in the anime)
Gowasu
Supreme Kai
Hit
Gohan
Frieza
Pride troopers
Pilaf

I prefer all of these people in the manga and I'm probably missing people, so they got strong character arcs for me.
And I prefer how toyotaro really get creative with how heroes, these guys have trained with whis and berrus. Our heroes shouldn't be push over every arcs, plus how was black not a real threat when his rose pummeled ssj blue vegeta? Because vegeta got in the HTC and learned a deadly technquie. Hit I agree was more of an threat in the anime but that's because he can increase his time skip on the fly, which I find kinda dumb but reasonable.

So your complaints don't hold any sympathy with me.

Edit: so you're really going to trash on the manga for something it already explained. I already educated you on manga hit vs anime hit, I guess I have to do it again.
VEGETA WENT INTO THE TIME CHAMBER and learned not only the ssj god form but how it was needed to utilize blues weakness. Vegeta switching in and out of blue was something he TRAINED in the HTC, not he magically poofed it like you imply. He worked really hard to eliminate that 10% drain by this increasing his stamnia. Truly going beyond his limits.
Now, since you said something like this: I'd immediately go hamsters on the inconsistency, plotholes and such in the anime...but I'll let toei alone for your sake. Just please, be more educated on what you're talking about before you try to bash it. It really irritates the fan of the thing when you're bashing it unjustifiably.

[PFM18]

And how can you say the manga lacks character moments when I prefer all of these characters in the manga over the anime:

"How can those be better character moments if I like these characters better!"

I really don't know how to explain how ridiculous that is. There are abundantly more character moments in the anime, it is not an argument against it that you specifically like the characters better in the manga.

For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

There's nothing objective about this statement. It is strictly your opinion.

[1345521]

And how can you say the manga lacks character moments when I prefer all of these characters in the manga over the anime:

"How can those be better character moments if I like these characters better!"

I really don't know how to explain how ridiculous that is. There are abundantly more character moments in the anime, it is not an argument against it that you specifically like the characters better in the manga.

For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

There's nothing objective about this statement. It is strictly your opinion.

Quality of quantity. Just because there's more of something dosent mean that thing is better which is what you guys are implying. He's trying to say ultimately say the characters in the anime are better and used evidence of having "more" ( which I assume he thinks better) character moments. The characters in the manga are better...most of then way better... so I'm denouncing the purpose of his claim altogether.

[Jackalope89]

This manga wasted some interesting characters which hurt it in my opinion

The manga wasted chars that we did not care about while the anime gave tons of screens to chars we did not care about so ehh.....
I liked 38, it is well-drawn and we get nice tidbits of lore, but insofar I don't like ToP neither in the anime neither in the manga so much, I don't hate it, but eehhh.... lol

"We" being highly subjective.

While its clear you and several others do not care for new and old characters that had more screen time in the anime, it is also clear that many fans of the anime do, in fact, care for these characters.

When the creators go so far to introduce so many new characters, and bring back older characters for one last hurrah, I personally believe its better when at least a little bit of time is given to delve into these characters, rather than just make them throw a ways. Because U7, U6, and U11 are not the only ones fighting for their existence.

[SSJgogeto]

"How can those be better character moments if I like these characters better!"

Yeah, that's not a fair argument.

[Waluigiman]

This includes minor and major complaints and complements.
What I like about the Manga:
1.Despite being a collection of drawings, I can still sense the power of the characters such as seeing Rumshi rampaging towards the paralyzed destroyers. or Frost fighting Universe 9.
2.The fight of the Destroyers is among my favorite parts because it shows how unique they are to each other despite the fact that all of them seemed to have the common hakai power. It was chaotic but powerful indeed.
The extra material itself. I am glad there is more Dragon Ball content in general.
3. The preparation before the tournament of Power: I like how it was more rushed and I like the part where Goku was looking for 17, that was so hilarious when he mistook a punk for 17 and even thought the poacher's hat was the source of his power. I also like the explanation of why Yamcha was not invited. This excuse was not mean spirited in comparison to the anime because at least Bulma, Roshi, and Tien remembered him but were only interrupted by outside interruptions instead of just forgetting him despite the fact Roshi WENT to his house and didn't even considered him (maybe he was expecting Goku to do it).
4. The heroic side of Jiren: Just the fact that he is the hero he is claimed to be. You can be heroic and have a tragic backstory, no need to ignore one part of it.

What I don't approve of the Manga:
1. No tournament prototype: There was no fight against the Trio De Dangers before the actual fight. Which abandons the conspiracy between Quitela and Sidra against Universe 7.
2. Poor character portrayal: Some are dropped too quickly before they do anything significant(justified because of the Manga's deadline). But there are some occasions in which the character portrayal just didn't sit well with me. I didn't like how Gamisaras was just an invisible Man expy instead of a chameleon or how Rozie and Kakunza had stretching abilities, that was lazy and they didn't look like they are boneless. Or how Cus is actually an adult(?) That felt out of nowhere and makes her less unique to the other angels because she is also too serious in personality in contrast to her playful and cheerful behaviour of her anime counterpart.

[supersaiyanZero]

For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

This is not how art critique works. Different people value different things at different levels for different reasons based on their preconceptions, experience, wants, needs, and the environment in which they're consuming said piece of artwork.

There is no hivemind, and there are no "sides" split evenly down the middle. This is all made up and fabricated as something easy to argue against.

For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

There's nothing objective about this statement. It is strictly your opinion.

There is a difference between subjective tastes in art and outright execution. You cannot in a million years tell me that a production with little to no preproduction, an insane schedule, understaffed, writers obviously not working together, and a plethora of other factors is going to win execution wise against something that is much more grounded (in the sense that it is not hindered by those factors)

So no, it is not strictly "my opinion". The people who usually say this have no artistic bone in their body because they think art is some intrinsic superpower that is subjectively enjoyed by other people. But before subjectivity there is a lot of hard work that goes into developing a talent, let alone a piece of work, and the craftsmanship (or lack thereof) go a LONG way. I have no problem with people telling me they prefer the anime version of Super because "Trunks made this big ass energy sword and it was SO COOL!", but the minute you try to convince me that the anime is a well executed piece of work (standalone OR sequel wise) that brings the audience along for a well written and well animated ride you are completely full of shit.

[1345521]

For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

This is not how art critique works. Different people value different things at different levels for different reasons based on their preconceptions, experience, wants, needs, and the environment in which they're consuming said piece of artwork.

There is no hivemind, and there are no "sides" split evenly down the middle. This is all made up and fabricated as something easy to argue against.

For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

There's nothing objective about this statement. It is strictly your opinion.

There is a difference between subjective tastes in art and outright execution. You cannot in a million years tell me that a production with little to no preproduction, an insane schedule, understaffed, writers obviously not working together, and a plethora of other factors is going to win execution wise against something that is much more grounded (in the sense that it is not hindered by those factors)

So no, it is not strictly "my opinion". The people who usually say this have no artistic bone in their body because they think art is some intrinsic superpower that is subjectively enjoyed by other people. But before subjectivity there is a lot of hard work that goes into developing a talent, let alone a piece of work, and the craftsmanship (or lack thereof) go a LONG way. I have no problem with people telling me they prefer the anime version of Super because "Trunks made this big ass energy sword and it was SO COOL!", but the minute you try to convince me that the anime is a well executed piece of work (standalone OR sequel wise) that brings the audience along for a well written and well animated ride you are completely full of shit.

What accuracy...

The manga is written better then the anime.

[Pokesamus217]

For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

This is not how art critique works. Different people value different things at different levels for different reasons based on their preconceptions, experience, wants, needs, and the environment in which they're consuming said piece of artwork.

There is no hivemind, and there are no "sides" split evenly down the middle. This is all made up and fabricated as something easy to argue against.

For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

There's nothing objective about this statement. It is strictly your opinion.

There is a difference between subjective tastes in art and outright execution. You cannot in a million years tell me that a production with little to no preproduction, an insane schedule, understaffed, writers obviously not working together, and a plethora of other factors is going to win execution wise against something that is much more grounded (in the sense that it is not hindered by those factors)

So no, it is not strictly "my opinion". The people who usually say this have no artistic bone in their body because they think art is some intrinsic superpower that is subjectively enjoyed by other people. But before subjectivity there is a lot of hard work that goes into developing a talent, let alone a piece of work, and the craftsmanship (or lack thereof) go a LONG way. I have no problem with people telling me they prefer the anime version of Super because "Trunks made this big ass energy sword and it was SO COOL!", but the minute you try to convince me that the anime is a well executed piece of work (standalone OR sequel wise) that brings the audience along for a well written and well animated ride you are completely full of shit.

So basically, instead of staying why the manga is actually a better story than the anime, you dance around the issue by instead pointing out the anime’s troubled production and call out any opposing viewpoint as being full of shit. Classy.

[emperior]

This is not how art critique works. Different people value different things at different levels for different reasons based on their preconceptions, experience, wants, needs, and the environment in which they're consuming said piece of artwork.

There is no hivemind, and there are no "sides" split evenly down the middle. This is all made up and fabricated as something easy to argue against.

There's nothing objective about this statement. It is strictly your opinion.

There is a difference between subjective tastes in art and outright execution. You cannot in a million years tell me that a production with little to no preproduction, an insane schedule, understaffed, writers obviously not working together, and a plethora of other factors is going to win execution wise against something that is much more grounded (in the sense that it is not hindered by those factors)

So no, it is not strictly "my opinion". The people who usually say this have no artistic bone in their body because they think art is some intrinsic superpower that is subjectively enjoyed by other people. But before subjectivity there is a lot of hard work that goes into developing a talent, let alone a piece of work, and the craftsmanship (or lack thereof) go a LONG way. I have no problem with people telling me they prefer the anime version of Super because "Trunks made this big ass energy sword and it was SO COOL!", but the minute you try to convince me that the anime is a well executed piece of work (standalone OR sequel wise) that brings the audience along for a well written and well animated ride you are completely full of shit.

So basically, instead of staying why the manga is actually a better story than the anime, you dance around the issue by instead pointing out the anime’s troubled production and call out any opposing viewpoint as being full of shit. Classy.

I couldn’t have said it better.

Not to mention how those things listed didn’t impact the whole story told in its totality. Toei received the outlines from Toriyama, then the producers planned a plot from start to finish using those outlines and then the writers wrote the episodes of said plot. The writers were coordinated though, that’s just wrong. Maybe they weren’t always perfecrly coordinated for a myriad of reasons, but there was coordination. Of course it’s easier for a single writer like Toyotaro, but him being alone doesn’t necessarily mean his story is better.
Sure, the anime’s art wasn’t always good, the animation too, there were some inconsistencies with the writing and some episodes were much better than others, but the whole story is there, it’s understandable and it’s actually good. Toyotaro’s, in my opinion, isn’t. I have stated plenty of times, in this thread too, why I prefer the anime’s take if I look at the overall stories. I have also said how I would like it if Toei and Toyotaro collaborated to bring in the full version of Toriyama’s outline, to bring more consistency across both the products and to have a better plot, as Toyotaro has some great ideas too of course, and the manga would also benefit from the anime’s ideas.

[ricky84]

The DBS manga for many reasons is objectively way worse than the anime (not saying the anime is great though):

1. Far less character development for virtually everyone
2. Making every character except Goku and Vegeta complete useless
3. Toyotaro's bad habit of making needless explanations for things that only lead to more contradictions
4. Mostly worse fight choreography (with some exceptions)
5. Making every antagonist shilled fodder. The way Toyotaro wrote Hit and Black are the biggest examples, same with the way he writes more of the ToP characters
6. The rushed storytelling in general.

And unlike many if not most folks in this forum, I don't prefer Manga Kale over Anime Kale. Manga Kale has barely any dialogue and turns into a 24/7 Broly clone once she transforms and never grows out of it. And don't even get me started on the terrible powerscaling with her in the manga. Anime Kale actually seems like her own character. She only acts like Broly in 2 episodes then grows out of it immediate afterwards. Hell, she got more character development in just one episode (101) then she did in the entire manga lmao.

[ricky84]

I've noticed that that fans of the anime usually come out attacking the manga for the lack of fanservice/flashy gimmicks that the anime provided, while does who defend the manga do so because they prefer the superior execution and writing. It really does show you the split in the Dragonball hive mind.

And when it comes to execution, you really cannot argue. For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

Not only did you make a strawman of people who preferred the anime, claiming the manga has better writing is the biggest joke ever.

The manga has far worse writing in nearly every category. The numerous plotholes and contradictions that come from Toyotaro's dumb explanations for things, the relative lack of character development for pretty much every character, making every antagonist incompetent fodder, etc.

No wonder the franchise as a whole favors the anime version of DBS, unlike DB(Z) where the manga had priority.

[ricky84]

I've noticed that that fans of the anime usually come out attacking the manga for the lack of fanservice/flashy gimmicks that the anime provided, while does who defend the manga do so because they prefer the superior execution and writing. It really does show you the split in the Dragonball hive mind.

And when it comes to execution, you really cannot argue. For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

Well there’s the lack of strong character moments, the fact that nearly every antagonist was never an actual threat, the weird flip flopping of SSB’s weakness (in one arc, the problem is that they can only transform into it once, without drastically lowering their power, so in the next arc Vegeta gets around that by repeatedly transforming between SSG and SSB..... what?), and the fact that the Goku and Vegeta focus is even worse than in the anime.

Or maybe because tha protagonist are smarter in the manga, like I don't get why you guys FAIL to see how MUCH SMARTER AND BETTER FIGHTERS manga goku and vegeta.

Goku and Vegeta are neither smarter nor better fighters in the manga. In fact, the only reason why they ever lose in the manga is because of their stupidity. Like Vegeta in the Manga losing to Hit because he spammed SSB draining his power ever though Whis told him not to. They never lose because of the skills of the villains, since all the antagonist in the manga are incompetent fools compared to their anime versions. Hit and Black being the worst examples. For instance, anime Hit was able to force Goku to use SSB Kaioken (which still wasn't enough) and think of a way to counter his Time-skip (which he couldn't do until their rematch), while manga Hit is a fodder character who only exist to be punched around by SSG Goku and never comes across a legit threat. Anime Black was a competent villain that forced the heroes to retreat 3 times and never makes blatantly dumb decisions just to move the plot forward. Unlike Manga Black who was a whining dumb brute (despite being shilled as a fighting genius) who constantly drops the ball and never won a single fight.

And how can you say the manga lacks character moments when I prefer all of these characters in the manga over the anime:
Goku
Vegeta
Berrus
Black
Merged zamsu
Kuririn
Belmod
Jiren
Toppo
Dyspo (slightly...)
Ribiranne
Frost
Cabba
KALE
Caulifa
Anirzaza (he actually can speak...give me that over movie villian rip off in the anime)
Gowasu
Supreme Kai
Hit
Gohan
Frieza
Pride troopers
Pilaf

I prefer all of these people in the manga and I'm probably missing people, so they got strong character arcs for me.
And I prefer how toyotaro really get creative with how heroes, these guys have trained with whis and berrus. Our heroes shouldn't be push over every arcs, plus how was black not a real threat when his rose pummeled ssj blue vegeta? Because vegeta got in the HTC and learned a deadly technquie. Hit I agree was more of an threat in the anime but that's because he can increase his time skip on the fly, which I find kinda dumb but reasonable.

So your complaints don't hold any sympathy with me.

Edit: so you're really going to trash on the manga for something it already explained. I already educated you on manga hit vs anime hit, I guess I have to do it again.
VEGETA WENT INTO THE TIME CHAMBER and learned not only the ssj god form but how it was needed to utilize blues weakness. Vegeta switching in and out of blue was something he TRAINED in the HTC, not he magically poofed it like you imply. He worked really hard to eliminate that 10% drain by this increasing his stamnia. Truly going beyond his limits.
Now, since you said something like this: I'd immediately go hamsters on the inconsistency, plotholes and such in the anime...but I'll let toei alone for your sake. Just please, be more educated on what you're talking about before you try to bash it. It really irritates the fan of the thing when you're bashing it unjustifiably.

Every single one of those characters are written worse than their anime versions, especially the ToP characters. Aniraza only exist to be fodder to Kale, Kale herself is even more of a Broly clone once she transforms and never develops out of it like she did in the anime. Also, the Caulifla x Kale dynamic (which was the most interesting thing about them) is removed from the manga, making them blander characters as a result. Ribrianne is even more annoying and despicable in the manga (which I didn't think was possible lmao), Krillin never gets his arc were he regains his confidence, Hit is once again a fodder character, and Jiren is even more dry of a character than he is in the anime.

[PFM18]

For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

This is not how art critique works. Different people value different things at different levels for different reasons based on their preconceptions, experience, wants, needs, and the environment in which they're consuming said piece of artwork.

There is no hivemind, and there are no "sides" split evenly down the middle. This is all made up and fabricated as something easy to argue against.

For a variety of reasons, the manga is objectively better executed than it's anime counterpart.

There's nothing objective about this statement. It is strictly your opinion.

There is a difference between subjective tastes in art and outright execution. You cannot in a million years tell me that a production with little to no preproduction, an insane schedule, understaffed, writers obviously not working together, and a plethora of other factors is going to win execution wise against something that is much more grounded (in the sense that it is not hindered by those factors)

So no, it is not strictly "my opinion". The people who usually say this have no artistic bone in their body because they think art is some intrinsic superpower that is subjectively enjoyed by other people. But before subjectivity there is a lot of hard work that goes into developing a talent, let alone a piece of work, and the craftsmanship (or lack thereof) go a LONG way. I have no problem with people telling me they prefer the anime version of Super because "Trunks made this big ass energy sword and it was SO COOL!", but the minute you try to convince me that the anime is a well executed piece of work (standalone OR sequel wise) that brings the audience along for a well written and well animated ride you are completely full of shit.

Yeah you are still just giving your opinion and calling out anybody who thinks otherwise as being "full of shit." Pointing out the production problems as if that automatically makes it an inferior executed product. Your assessment of the execution is simply a function of your own personal tastes and what you value in a story over other things. (along with several other factors.) There's absolutely nothing objective about what you are spouting and at the end of the day it is not "objectively better executed."

I wouldn't think a story is better executed when:

-Transforming into SSB twice suddenly means you can only access 1/10th of your power
-ridiculous notion that SSJ Vegeta cannot lift 1,000 tons.
-Trunks randomly has healing powers because apparently he is a Kai apprentice even though that contradicts the entire premise of what a Kai is and the Gods in general.
-Goku randomly getting the Hakai diminishing the prestige of being a God of Destruction if it is not exclusive to them.
-The manga's version of "Infinite Zamasu" is literally him cloning himself a million times. In the anime it is actually a function of his immortality and makes sense. But Tyotaro just decided that this would look cooler or something.
-Blatantly contradicting itself when Gowasu says that "only a Lord of Lords can use the time rings", implying that Black is a Kaioshin, and then later says "they can't stay fused because they are not officially Lords of Lords." Which is about as blatant of a contradiction as it gets.
-Base Black being stronger than SSJ3 Goku, then he goes SSJ and is weaker than SSJ2 Vegeta somehow? Makes 0 sense whatsoever. Essentially:
Super Saiyan (2?) Vegeta > Super Saiyan Goku Black > Goku Black > Super Saiyan 3 Goku ~ Super Saiyan 2 Full Power Trunks

This is without even mentioning the train wreck that is the manga's ToP.

In my opinion, it is amazing how much worse the manga is executed from the anime but I guess my opinion is wrong because you said so.

[CJStriker_CBR]

Every single one of those characters are written worse than their anime versions, especially the ToP characters. Aniraza only exist to be fodder to Kale, Kale herself is even more of a Broly clone once she transforms and never develops out of it like she did in the anime. Also, the Caulifla x Kale dynamic (which was the most interesting thing about them) is removed from the manga, making them blander characters as a result. Ribrianne is even more annoying and despicable in the manga (which I didn't think was possible lmao), Krillin never gets his arc were he regains his confidence, Hit is once again a fodder character, and Jiren is even more dry of a character than he is in the anime.

I say the Manga did not come close to doing as good of a Job with Ribrianne as the Anime did. We did not get the depth of character development, learning about new forms of love for Brianne, the amazing fights, transformations and the Final Glory that was Episode 118 that cemented the ideals of who Universe 2 is and what they are about until their very end in the Manga at all, Heck 18 got screwed too on her discovering her ideals to tap into her own power of love to achieve power.

Some of the only good things where that the begin felt more like a battle royal with good fight images of Rozie, we got some more critical info on how Ribrianne's powers work based on her confidences and the Manga Managed to make that throw away line in Episode 117 about Krillian's nose be far more relevant and meaning full towards ideals of Beauty in U2 in the Manga, so it had good and bad, but still the Anime with all that problems it had was still FAR SUPERIOR!

But Just Wondering, I don't get what you mean by Annoying and Despicable, please give more on what exactly by examples and/or details?

[Bergamo]

This is not how art critique works. Different people value different things at different levels for different reasons based on their preconceptions, experience, wants, needs, and the environment in which they're consuming said piece of artwork.

There is no hivemind, and there are no "sides" split evenly down the middle. This is all made up and fabricated as something easy to argue against.

There's nothing objective about this statement. It is strictly your opinion.

There is a difference between subjective tastes in art and outright execution. You cannot in a million years tell me that a production with little to no preproduction, an insane schedule, understaffed, writers obviously not working together, and a plethora of other factors is going to win execution wise against something that is much more grounded (in the sense that it is not hindered by those factors)

So no, it is not strictly "my opinion". The people who usually say this have no artistic bone in their body because they think art is some intrinsic superpower that is subjectively enjoyed by other people. But before subjectivity there is a lot of hard work that goes into developing a talent, let alone a piece of work, and the craftsmanship (or lack thereof) go a LONG way. I have no problem with people telling me they prefer the anime version of Super because "Trunks made this big ass energy sword and it was SO COOL!", but the minute you try to convince me that the anime is a well executed piece of work (standalone OR sequel wise) that brings the audience along for a well written and well animated ride you are completely full of shit.

Yeah you are still just giving your opinion and calling out anybody who thinks otherwise as being "full of shit." Pointing out the production problems as if that automatically makes it an inferior executed product. Your assessment of the execution is simply a function of your own personal tastes and what you value in a story over other things. (along with several other factors.) There's absolutely nothing objective about what you are spouting and at the end of the day it is not "objectively better executed."

I wouldn't think a story is better executed when:

-Transforming into SSB twice suddenly means you can only access 1/10th of your power
-ridiculous notion that SSJ Vegeta cannot lift 1,000 tons.
-Trunks randomly has healing powers because apparently he is a Kai apprentice even though that contradicts the entire premise of what a Kai is and the Gods in general.
-Goku randomly getting the Hakai diminishing the prestige of being a God of Destruction if it is not exclusive to them.
-The manga's version of "Infinite Zamasu" is literally him cloning himself a million times. In the anime it is actually a function of his immortality and makes sense. But Tyotaro just decided that this would look cooler or something.
-Blatantly contradicting itself when Gowasu says that "only a Lord of Lords can use the time rings", implying that Black is a Kaioshin, and then later says "they can't stay fused because they are not officially Lords of Lords." Which is about as blatant of a contradiction as it gets.
-Base Black being stronger than SSJ3 Goku, then he goes SSJ and is weaker than SSJ2 Vegeta somehow? Makes 0 sense whatsoever. Essentially:
Super Saiyan (2?) Vegeta > Super Saiyan Goku Black > Goku Black > Super Saiyan 3 Goku ~ Super Saiyan 2 Full Power Trunks

This is without even mentioning the train wreck that is the manga's ToP.

In my opinion, it is amazing how much worse the manga is executed from the anime but I guess my opinion is wrong because you said so.

1. Half of your complaints are just you stating things that happen in the story and adding suddenly. If something is foreshadowed for an entire arc or a major plot point that is developed throughout the series, then you can't just say "suddenly".
2. You need the portara to use the time ring. The portara are only supposed to be worn by the Supreme Kai, but wearing them doesn't make you a Supremely Kai.
3. SS2 Vegeta is stronger than SS3 Goku. This is shown in the BoG arc.