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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by Saiga » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:19 pm

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Well, I do really like the backstory for DBO. I'll just leave it at that.
Yeah, I was thinking of the DBO backstory.
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You mean on fanfiction.net? There's a button for it in the document editor.
There's a document editor on fanfiction.net? I really need to learn how to use that site.
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:25 pm

Eek! The Chapter #13 download is gone! :(
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by Kaboom » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:34 pm

Hmmm, that's weird. It did indeed get removed from MediaFire somehow. Fixed it, along with something else minor that most of you probably wouldn't notice or care about.
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:50 pm

Thanks! By the by, have y'considered releasing a preliminary databook .pdf for all these extra posts you've made?
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by Kaboom » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:06 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Thanks! By the by, have y'considered releasing a preliminary databook .pdf for all these extra posts you've made?
Putting together some sort of "databook," with categories and illustrations and what-not, has certainly crossed my mind. However, it's something I'd only do after a certain point in the story, for the sake of being able to include not just the "bonus" data I've included with chapters already, but also info that'd be too spoilery to reveal at this point. Plus, cranking out the chapters themselves is by far the top priority.
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by MajinKing » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:34 pm

I've been following your story for a few years ever since I saw a thread of it over at the former MFG and although it interested me I never really got around to reading it. I would come to it every so often and want to read it but laziness got in the way. Now last night I rediscovered it and it is actually way better then the actual GT. The black star dragon balls explanation is so pumped up compared to what is actually given, the namekians history was pretty damn good with the info of how Kami or the being that both piccolo and kami separated from came to the dragonballs and a more in depth explanation of pan and Trunks reasons for going on this trip through the galaxy and surprisingly Pan doesn't just seem like that annoying character almost all the fans hate. I really felt bad because of what she has to deal with in school, something GT didn't go into detail with.

I am on the tenth chapter and you can say I am hooked I'm at the part where they are starting the ship.

I've been actually wanting to make my own version (well not GT necessarily) but a sequel to Dragonball in general for a while and just reading this revived that idea within me. One question though, do you think DBGT's concept is the best way for a dragonball sequel or do you think the manga left off in such a way that could continue in multiple directions I mean I hear Akira Toriyama liked GT but only as a side story so kind of wondering your thoughts on this.

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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by Kaboom » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:51 pm

People, people! Guess what? Chapter 14 is finally done. It's in Kino's hands now for proofreading, and I've already cracked open and made some progress on 15. When I said at least one chapter a month, I meant it. When 14's posted within a week it will count as January's, and come HFIL or high water, I'll have another one posted before February ends. I'm especially worked up because 15 marks the start of my first all-original and story-central mini arc in GTR.
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The original manga definitely left things pretty open-ended; I mean, just look at how different the back-history events of Dragon Ball Online are from GT. At the end of the manga I'm pretty sure Toriyama even said something to the effect of, "Goku and friends will have many more adventures but I'll leave them to you to imagine."

As for how GT stacks up compared to other ideas, potential or otherwise... well, it kind of falls back onto my same general view of GT. It had great potential and ideas, but bad execution.

The broader ideas for the story arcs - A Dragon Ball hunt through outer space, the last of the Tsufrians exacting his revenge on the last of the Saiyans, and the overuse of the Dragon Balls coming back to bite the heroes - are all amazing. Furthermore, Super Saiyan 4 as it was created for GT, as a amalgam of the Super Saiyan and Ozaru, was unbelievably brilliant. Do you think most fan-writers would have come up with something like that, or just some bigger-haired and crazier-looking step up on the golden ladder from Super Saiyan 3?

But of course, the problem with GT was how those ideas were actually used. It was full of plot holes, severe inconsistencies with the manga, and of course more blatant and rampant Goku-glorifying than you can shake a stick at.

Luckily, that makes it prime material for rewrite fanfictions. :wink:
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by Saiga » Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:44 am

Kaboom wrote:People, people! Guess what? Chapter 14 is finally done. It's in Kino's hands now for proofreading, and I've already cracked open and made some progress on 15. When I said at least one chapter a month, I meant it. When 14's posted within a week it will count as January's, and come HFIL or high water, I'll have another one posted before February ends. I'm especially worked up because 15 marks the start of my first all-original and story-central mini arc in GTR.
I'm glad to hear it, Kaboom. Definitely looking forward to it. :)
Kaboom wrote:As for how GT stacks up compared to other ideas, potential or otherwise... well, it kind of falls back onto my same general view of GT. It had great potential and ideas, but bad execution.

The broader ideas for the story arcs - A Dragon Ball hunt through outer space, the last of the Tsufrians exacting his revenge on the last of the Saiyans, and the overuse of the Dragon Balls coming back to bite the heroes - are all amazing. Furthermore, Super Saiyan 4 as it was created for GT, as a amalgam of the Super Saiyan and Ozaru, was unbelievably brilliant. Do you think most fan-writers would have come up with something like that, or just some bigger-haired and crazier-looking step up on the golden ladder from Super Saiyan 3?

But of course, the problem with GT was how those ideas were actually used. It was full of plot holes, severe inconsistencies with the manga, and of course more blatant and rampant Goku-glorifying than you can shake a stick at.

Luckily, that makes it prime material for rewrite fanfictions. :wink:
It did have some good ideas, but the Tsufrian's revenge had been done before. Baby was a good villain though.

And I think the combination of Super Saiyan and Oozaru, but had the randomly coloured fur and eyes. The hair style is a bit weird as well.
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:03 pm

Saiga wrote:And I think the combination of Super Saiyan and Oozaru, but had the randomly coloured fur and eyes. The hair style is a bit weird as well.
Nice that it went back to black hair, though. Although the form generating trousers is a bit weird. But so is Saiyans having tails and its pseudo-scientific explanation for their Oozaru transformation, as well as Fusion magicking up a vest and trousers (perhaps from the clothes of the fusees themselves, since when naked Goten and Trunks merged in filler, Gotenks was naked too).
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by Saiga » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:31 pm

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Saiga wrote:And I think the combination of Super Saiyan and Oozaru, but had the randomly coloured fur and eyes. The hair style is a bit weird as well.
Nice that it went back to black hair, though. Although the form generating trousers is a bit weird. But so is Saiyans having tails and its pseudo-scientific explanation for their Oozaru transformation, as well as Fusion magicking up a vest and trousers (perhaps from the clothes of the fusees themselves, since when naked Goten and Trunks merged in filler, Gotenks was naked too).
Well... Vegeta's hair went brown, and Gogeta's red. :P

If it weren't for the magically changing clothes and they all had a consistent colour palette (Let's say, for example, they all had dark brown/black fur, black hair, and golden eyes) and the hair style looks more similar to their base forms (like how Toriyama drew SS4 Goku) I think it would be perfect. And pseudo-science for the Saiyans/magic for the fusions is perfectly acceptable to me as an explanation, but we're never given much of an explanation for SS4. I don't like it being magic either, as Saiyans have never been a "magical" race, always pseudo-scientific.
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by CaBrPi » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:18 pm

Saiga wrote:
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Saiga wrote:And I think the combination of Super Saiyan and Oozaru, but had the randomly coloured fur and eyes. The hair style is a bit weird as well.
Nice that it went back to black hair, though. Although the form generating trousers is a bit weird. But so is Saiyans having tails and its pseudo-scientific explanation for their Oozaru transformation, as well as Fusion magicking up a vest and trousers (perhaps from the clothes of the fusees themselves, since when naked Goten and Trunks merged in filler, Gotenks was naked too).
Well... Vegeta's hair went brown, and Gogeta's red. :P
Well, it's not like Vegeta's hair wasn't brown in some of the more poorly-animated episodes of Z anyway. With a red tinge, too.

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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:41 pm

Saiga wrote:If...they all had a consistent colour palette (Let's say, for example, they all had dark brown/black fur, black hair, and golden eyes)
See, and I'm the opposite (for the most part). I personally believe that all pure-blooded Saiyans have black hair, so their hair should all be black for everyone in the form, but the slight color variations do make each one a bit unique. I like that this transformation actually has some traits that vary among those who achieve it, besides the obvious hair shape.
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by Saiga » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:12 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:See, and I'm the opposite (for the most part). I personally believe that all pure-blooded Saiyans have black hair, so their hair should all be black for everyone in the form, but the slight color variations do make each one a bit unique. I like that this transformation actually has some traits that vary among those who achieve it, besides the obvious hair shape.
Well, the fur colour would presumably be based on hair colour, which is always black, but varying shades of brown for some uniqueness would also work for me. Seeing as Saiyans always have just black eyes, there isn't much reason for Vegeta to have suddenly blue eyes (which change to green and gold in other frames anyway) although it does look cool. I think my main problem is the red fur and just not seeing where it comes from. I think the fur colour for Vegeta here looks good.
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

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Saiga wrote:Well, the fur colour would presumably be based on hair colour, which is always black, but varying shades of brown for some uniqueness would also work for me. Seeing as Saiyans always have just black eyes, there isn't much reason for Vegeta to have suddenly blue eyes (which change to green and gold in other frames anyway) although it does look cool. I think my main problem is the red fur and just not seeing where it comes from. I think the fur colour for Vegeta here looks good.
Well, honestly, I wasn't talking about your specific color suggestions, just the idea of consistent coloration. I personally don't have a problem with the current colors, besides Gogeta's colors being swapped...and all their hair not being black, but it is an anime exclusive form, so I can tolerate Vegeta's being brown I guess. Their eyes are all fairly decent. Green eyes when Super Saiyan; at SS4 Goku takes just the yellow pigment, Vegeta takes full green and Gogeta just has blue. I like the form's red fur and it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for a red shade to manifest since brown is so close to it anyway, slight pigment change compared to the other transformations.

Something like this would be my preference for consistency:
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by Kaboom » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:16 am

Quit reading my mind, you guys.
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by Saiga » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:25 am

I'm one of your watchers (Saiga-no-Getsuga), so I know of your redesigns. I think they're a massive improvement, in fact it was from them that I decided SS4 Vegeta looked much better with black hair. Thinking of it, I would probably prefer the fur colour to be the same colour as their tail/Ozaru forms.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:38 am

Saiga wrote:I'm one of your watchers (Saiga-no-Getsuga), so I know of your redesigns. I think they're a massive improvement, in fact it was from them that I decided SS4 Vegeta looked much better with black hair. Thinking of it, I would probably prefer the fur colour to be the same colour as their tail/Ozaru forms.
I already deduced that a while back. Ignoring the possibility of a shared name, some of your opinions you've posted here have just been too coincidental with past comments. lol I'll take the praise though, glad I could influence you. I guess I wouldn't mind their fur being "Oozaru brown", but its just not a very dynamic color. Its fine for a giant destructive monkey that is mainly 2 colors, but its just seems a bit dull for them once they've hybridized...
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Kaboom wrote:Quit reading my mind, you guys.
In what way? What were you thinking? :P
Yeah...now I'm a bit curious too. lol
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by Kaboom » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:35 am

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Saiga wrote:
Kaboom wrote:Quit reading my mind, you guys.
In what way? What were you thinking? :P
Yeah...now I'm a bit curious too. lol
I'm still way too far away from Super Saiyan 4 in GTR to say much, so draw your own conclusions for now. :P
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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by hleV » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:06 am

If SSJ4 is supposed to be a mix between SSJ and Oozaru, then why don't make one?
The fur would have brown color, similar to Oozaru's. Same goes for the tail. Eye pupils should be just like SSJ3's (since it has both black and Super Cyan). Hair could be either black or yellow.
And please, no yellow tail while SSJ(1-3).

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Re: DragonBall GT: Revised

Post by Kaboom » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:41 pm

I think I can safely say without fear of spoiling anything that GTR's version of Super Saiyan 4 will be essentially unchanged from the original GT version, at least in terms of visual design. What will be different is how the form actually works. For those of you who were in the chat room brainstorming about this with me last week and thus know what I'm talking about... ssshhhhhhhh.

Also, as some of you may have noticed me mention on Twitter last night, I managed to get the first whole 3 pages of chapter 15 done in one sitting. Holy crap. I think I'll post an excerpt.
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“No, Grandpa, that’s not it,” Pan shushed him, and then continued. “As you all know, we launched from Earth with a way, WAY generous supply of food, thanks to all the Capsule freezers Mrs. Bulma packed for us.”

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“However,” Pan kept going. “In spite of this, during the past month-and-a-half since we’ve been in space, I think we’ve all come to realize the same horrible truth.” She folded her arms and made the dramatic announcement.

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