Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Birusu16]

Anyway, it pleases me to see that so many people are saying the Vegeta vs Freeza part was the best part of the movie. It's the only part of the movie I really care about anyway (well that and the few scenes with Beerus and Whis), so pretty excited to hear that. Can't wait for the dubbed version this summer!

[Ajay]

Spoiler:

What the hell is wrong with you two? @Dbzfan7 and @ShadowWold87?

Someone's opinion is invalidated and their view on the franchise questioned because they enjoyed a moment that you think, contextually, isn't worthy. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Consider for one second that someone can be just as much a fan of the franchise and enjoy it for very different reasons than you two. That's absolutely disgusting arrogance.

Christ, you haven't even seen the film.

Stop it. That's embarrassing.

Cleared things up privately. Sorry for the overreaction.

[dbzfan7]

What the hell is wrong with you two? @Dbzfan7 and @ShadowWold87?

Someone's opinion is invalidated and their view on the franchise questioned because they enjoyed a moment that you think, contextually, isn't worthy. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Consider for one second that someone can be just as much a fan of the franchise and enjoy it for very different reasons than you two. That's absolutely disgusting arrogance.

Christ, you haven't even seen the film.

Stop it. That's embarrassing.

I stated an opinion. I see why they'd think it's awesome and they are of course allowed to feel that way. Personally no amount of animation changes the context.They are free to feel it's the best thing in the movie or a highlight of the series. They aren't wrong. It's their opinion. I never said their opinion is wrong. I personally don't see it their way. If they enjoyed it that much, kudos to them. It's impossible to agree with everything. If even with that context they're still impressed, then I'm glad they were satisfied by an epic moment.

Get off your high horse.

[ShadowWolf87]

Spoiler:

"Vegeta's beatdown against Freeza is one of the most memorable moments from the entire franchise."

I really do have to wonder what one's opinion on the quality of the franchise is if they think that

Spoiler:

a fresh Vegeta beating on an already-exhausted Freeza

is one of said franchise's most memorable moments.

Seriously? Why don't you just learn to broaden your view and accept other peoples opinions. It'll go a long way for you, even in real life. Just because they see a moment like this in high regard doesn't mean they think the quality of the franchise is shit. It just happens to be one of the best moments for them. What you think and what other people think doesn't always line up.

thank you for the sage advice you have changed my life forever sir how can I ever thank you

All I said was I don't get it. Did I say they were wrong for it? No. I just said it seems an odd high-point for someone to have. AKA sharing MY opinion.

I mean heck I'm happy for pretty much anything my favorite characters get these days, but that doesn't mean I lay it out that it's one of the greatest moments in the franchise, especially when context is considered. This is the bit that I'm not personally understanding. But thanks for making an issue out of it.

[Doctor.]

I like the new "form" so much. It's almost perfect, both design-wise and concept-wise. Toriyama continues the trend he started with Super Saiyan God, by making that one, from his own admission, weak looking yet seemingly contradicts that view by picking a colour he feels is "strong" to represent it. With this transformation, he picks a colour that, in the case of fire (and I feel that this fire explanation fits the best, because even the auras of both transformations are flame-like), is scientifically hotter (in this case, stronger) than ordinary red, yet in the same contradicting fashion, it's a colour that in his opinion looks weak, deconstructing the "Godly transformation" concept even further than he did with the original Super Saiyan God (by having one factor that makes it underwhelming and fragile, and one factor that makes it look strong and powerful).

It's also incredibly lucky that they used a blue aura while Goku was transforming into Super Saiyan God in Battle of Gods. Most likely unintentional, but it all fits so well. And unlike SSJG, this transformation isn't, concept-wise, an asspull and cheap transformation, since it's really just a fusion, of sorts, of two previous transformations (SSJG and SSJ). It also looks really cool and elegant! I get why people dislike it, but I can't seem to (even when the toys were revealed, I was one of the few who actually liked the design). It's probably my favourite part of the film, at least until I see it.

And yes, I'm aware that Toriyama will probably, most likely, completely destroy my views and explanations with interviews in the future by saying something of the sort "Oh, well, it doesn't have any real meaning or anything, I just like blue! (laughs)" but please, for the love of God, let me have this.

[Birusu16]

What the hell is wrong with you two? @Dbzfan7 and @ShadowWold87?

Someone's opinion is invalidated and their view on the franchise questioned because they enjoyed a moment that you think, contextually, isn't worthy. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Consider for one second that someone can be just as much a fan of the franchise and enjoy it for very different reasons than you two. That's absolutely disgusting arrogance.

Christ, you haven't even seen the film.

Stop it. That's embarrassing.

QFT

They've been at it for weeks. In fact, it's been since the spoilers first released. Their arrogance is absolutely astounding. It's like they think they're better because they don't enjoy a moment that others do. It's absolutely disgusting. At least we have some reasonable fans around here.

I like the new "form" so much. It's almost perfect, both design-wise and concept-wise. Toriyama continues the trend he started with Super Saiyan God, by making that one, from his own admission, weak looking yet seemingly contradicts that view by picking a colour he feels is "strong" to represent it. With this transformation, he picks a colour that, in the case of fire (and I feel that this fire explanation fits the best, because even the auras of both transformations are flame-like), is scientifically hotter (in this case, stronger) than ordinary red, yet in the same contradicting fashion, it's a colour that in his opinion looks weak, deconstructing the "Godly transformation" concept even further than he did with the original Super Saiyan God (by having one factor that makes it underwhelming and fragile, and one factor that makes it look strong and powerful).

It's also incredibly lucky that they used a blue aura while Goku was transforming into Super Saiyan God in Battle of Gods. Most likely unintentional, but it all fits so well. And unlike SSJG, this transformation isn't, concept-wise, an asspull and cheap transformation, since it's really just a fusion, of sorts, of two previous transformations (SSJG and SSJ). It also looks really cool and elegant! I get why people dislike it, but I can't seem to (even when the toys were revealed, I was one of the few who actually liked the design). It's probably my favourite part of the film, at least until I see it.

I do wonder if that blue aura in BoGs before transforming into SSJG was intentional. But wasn't that only shown in the trailers? I think it was red in the actual movie.

[ShadowWolf87]

What the hell is wrong with you two? @Dbzfan7 and @ShadowWold87?

Someone's opinion is invalidated and their view on the franchise questioned because they enjoyed a moment that you think, contextually, isn't worthy. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Consider for one second that someone can be just as much a fan of the franchise and enjoy it for very different reasons than you two. That's absolutely disgusting arrogance.

Christ, you haven't even seen the film.

Stop it. That's embarrassing.

That's anything but embarrassing, or arrogant for that matter. Never said they can't enjoy the series how they want. I just wonder how exactly they're scaling quality.

But never once did I say they're "not a fan" because they don't think like I do. That's you putting words in my mouth sir. Kindly stop that.

[ShadowWolf87]

What the hell is wrong with you two? @Dbzfan7 and @ShadowWold87?

Someone's opinion is invalidated and their view on the franchise questioned because they enjoyed a moment that you think, contextually, isn't worthy. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Consider for one second that someone can be just as much a fan of the franchise and enjoy it for very different reasons than you two. That's absolutely disgusting arrogance.

Christ, you haven't even seen the film.

Stop it. That's embarrassing.

QFT

They've been at it for weeks. In fact, it's been since the spoilers first released. Their arrogance is absolutely astounding. It's like they think they're better because they don't enjoy a moment that others do. It's absolutely disgusting. At least we have some reasonable fans around here.

From one of the guys that blew up and threw a hissy fit when he heard Vegeta didn't get the Big Kill. Okay then.

Buddy, I enjoy a LOT of moments others don't. My favorite characters get collectively crapped on by the fandom at-large for the most part. So I look for the little they get to enjoy. Enjoyment I get.

It's hyping it up as one of the greatest moments in franchise HISTORY that I start to scratch my head.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I like the new "form" so much. It's almost perfect, both design-wise and concept-wise. Toriyama continues the trend he started with Super Saiyan God, by making that one, from his own admission, weak looking yet seemingly contradicts that view by picking a colour he feels is "strong" to represent it. With this transformation, he picks a colour that, in the case of fire (and I feel that this fire explanation fits the best, because even the auras of both transformations are flame-like), is scientifically hotter (in this case, stronger) than ordinary red, yet in the same contradicting fashion, it's a colour that in his opinion looks weak, deconstructing the "Godly transformation" concept even further than he did with the original Super Saiyan God (by having one factor that makes it underwhelming and fragile, and one factor that makes it look strong and powerful).

It's also incredibly lucky that they used a blue aura while Goku was transforming into Super Saiyan God in Battle of Gods. Most likely unintentional, but it all fits so well. And unlike SSJG, this transformation isn't, concept-wise, an asspull and cheap transformation, since it's really just a fusion, of sorts, of two previous transformations (SSJG and SSJ). It also looks really cool and elegant! I get why people dislike it, but I can't seem to (even when the toys were revealed, I was one of the few who actually liked the design). It's probably my favourite part of the film, at least until I see it.

@bold- We'll chalk that down as another Toriyama happy accident

[Birusu16]

What the hell is wrong with you two? @Dbzfan7 and @ShadowWold87?

Someone's opinion is invalidated and their view on the franchise questioned because they enjoyed a moment that you think, contextually, isn't worthy. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Consider for one second that someone can be just as much a fan of the franchise and enjoy it for very different reasons than you two. That's absolutely disgusting arrogance.

Christ, you haven't even seen the film.

Stop it. That's embarrassing.

QFT

They've been at it for weeks. In fact, it's been since the spoilers first released. Their arrogance is absolutely astounding. It's like they think they're better because they don't enjoy a moment that others do. It's absolutely disgusting. At least we have some reasonable fans around here.

From one of the guys that blew up and threw a hissy fit when he heard Vegeta didn't get the Big Kill. Okay then.

Really? Please tell me where I threw a hissy fit about Vegeta not getting the kill? I'd love for you to point that out to me because I know for sure I didn't. I was one of the ones who didn't care that Vegeta didn't get the kill. I was simply happy that he got to give Freeza a nice beat down.

But since you seem so sure of yourself then please do point me to where I threw a hissy fit about Vegeta not being the one to get the kill?

[Duo]

Get off your high horse.

You seem to get into quite a few conflicts around the forums here lately. You should think about why that is.

Anyway, I would have preferred a fairer fight between Vegeta and Freeza, but this is still a big step toward seeing something like that happen in the future, so I'm optimistic in that regard, should more movies be made.

[Doctor.]

I do wonder if that blue aura in BoGs before transforming into SSJG was intentional. But wasn't that only shown in the trailers? I think it was red in the actual movie.

It was red back when Goku was absorbing Beerus' blast, but it was blue when Goku went SSJG for the first time.

[ekrolo2]

The logic of this place: If you like everything about this movie without seeing it and basing your opinion solely on pre-release material, you're a good and reasonable fan of DB.

If you dislike ANYTHING about this movie based on the same information as the guys who like it, you're arrogant, an embarrassment and your opinion doesn't matter because you haven't seen the movie at all.

Anyone else see the hypocrisy in this?

[ShadowWolf87]

QFT

They've been at it for weeks. In fact, it's been since the spoilers first released. Their arrogance is absolutely astounding. It's like they think they're better because they don't enjoy a moment that others do. It's absolutely disgusting. At least we have some reasonable fans around here.

From one of the guys that blew up and threw a hissy fit when he heard Vegeta didn't get the Big Kill. Okay then.

Really? Please tell me where I threw a hissy fit about Vegeta not getting the kill? I'd love for you to point that out to me because I know for sure I didn't. I was one of the ones who didn't care that Vegeta didn't get the kill. I was simply happy that he got to give Freeza a nice beat down.

But since you seem so sure of yourself then please do point me to where I threw a hissy fit about Vegeta not being the one to get the kill?

Right. Whatever you say.

I'll do that as soon as you start giving some examples where I think I'm a "better fan" because I don't "enjoy" Vegeta beating on someone already worn down though.

For now, I suggest we drop it. Not gonna derail the thread further. But I'm not gonna be accused of something just because I don't get hyping a one-sided beatdown of a tired enemy as one of the franchise's pinnacle moments.

[ShadowWolf87]

The logic of this place: If you like everything about this movie without seeing it and basing your opinion solely on pre-release material, you're a good and reasonable fan of DB.

If you dislike ANYTHING about this movie based on the same information as the guys who like it, you're arrogant, an embarrassment and your opinion doesn't matter because you haven't seen the movie at all.

Anyone else see the hypocrisy in this?

I'm not even saying I dislike it.

I'm just questioning some hyperbole about a certain event's ranking in franchise history and people are getting mad.

Ah well.

[dbzfan7]

Get off your high horse.

You seem to get into quite a few conflicts around the forums here lately. You should think about why that is.

Anyway, I would have preferred a fairer fight between Vegeta and Freeza, but this is still a big step toward seeing something like that happen in the future, so I'm optimistic in that regard, should more movies be made.

I say it as my point was completely misinterpreted in such an asinine way. Especially with all the elitist crap about animation, character interaction, and all that overriding plot points that won't be changed. I've said before I'm one of the people who will enjoy the movie for those things, but that doesn't change the ongoing story, event's, and plot. We can be won over in other regards, but nothing is going to change about the story and context itself. That will always remain.

Hell I see people raise eyebrows just cause someone may not like Beerus or Battle of Gods.

[Birusu16]

Right. Whatever you say.

I'll do that as soon as you start giving some examples where I think I'm a "better fan" because I don't "enjoy" Vegeta beating on someone already worn down though.

For now, I suggest we drop it. Not gonna derail the thread further. But I'm not gonna be accused of something just because I don't get hyping a one-sided beatdown of a tired enemy as one of the franchise's pinnacle moments.

So you can't point me to it? Ok then. And if you want to drop it then drop it. Nobody's forcing you to reply to me.

Anyway, a question for those who've seen the movie

What is the dialogue between Beerus and Freeza like?

[Marlowe89]

Who cares if the Vegeta vs. Freeza match was one-sided because Freeza was weakened? Do we have any way of measuring exactly how weakened Freeza was specifically? Why are we even questioning his strength at this point when he flat-out transformed into the same variation of Super Saiyan as Goku?

This all seems like a really pointless argument.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The logic of this place: If you like everything about this movie without seeing it and basing your opinion solely on pre-release material, you're a good and reasonable fan of DB.

If you dislike ANYTHING about this movie based on the same information as the guys who like it, you're arrogant, an embarrassment and your opinion doesn't matter because you haven't seen the movie at all.

Anyone else see the hypocrisy in this?

I'm not even saying I dislike it.

I'm just questioning some hyperbole about a certain event's ranking in franchise history and people are getting mad.

Ah well.

But that is the point you can't really question them at all until you have actually seen said scene. It may very well be the best scene in the franchise it may not, we will find out when we actually see the film.

[ShadowWolf87]

Who cares if the Vegeta vs. Freeza match was one-sided because Freeza was weakened? Do we have any way of measuring exactly how weakened Freeza was specifically? Why are we even questioning his strength at this point when he flat-out transformed into the same variation of Super Saiyan as Goku?

This all seems like a really pointless argument.

According to people who saw the movie, and the movie's description, Goku wears Freeza out to the point he hits his knees in exhaustion and a full-on punch to the face from Freeza doesn't even hurt him. I'm going off that.