"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Khin]

I didn't contradict myself. Kais can be sensed by mortals, or at least all the Z-Fighters. Goku never had a problem sensing King Kai or the Supreme Kai. He didn't know it was impossible to sense truly divine ki until he met Beerus. Also, Goku could sense the Supreme Kai, otherwise he would have said he couldn't sense him at the tournament and wouldn't have been so shocked at his inability to sense Beerus.

Vegeta said in the 25th TB that none of them can tell how strong Kaioshin is. Not only that, but when Goku used Shunkan Ido to locate Gohan in the afterlife, he was surprised when he saw Kaioshin was with him, another implication that he can't sense his Ki.

Goku's base form and other Super Saiyan forms don't have god ki at all. It was never said or implied that he did. He may have absorbed godhood, but it only made his regular ki stronger. So, there is no confirmation that you need a certain percentage of god ki to be unsensible.

Ki is power, Goku kept the power of the God. If Goku kept the strength of the Super Saiyan God, then he kept the God Ki as well. It is pretty much the reason why Goku have divine Ki in his Super Saiyan Blue form. He only learned to fully utilize the divine Ki after his training with Whis. The bolded part is merely your assumption, and i can use the "it was never implied anywhere" argument to that as well. I know that it's arguable and it lacks any very strong evidence to support this, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. Since Black has Goku and Zamasu's Ki, the latter's Ki can't be sensed, yet Black's Ki can be, which means Goku's regular Ki is the reason for it.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I have found 2 nice Songs from Arukara.

Links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsiV5Ov7_JY

http://de.musicplayon.com/ARUKARA-Itsuw ... 52027.html


I have grown to Yoka Yoka Dance, and it´s quite ironic how the darkest Arc so far has the most cheerful ending. xD
But i´m all into getting something new, too. xD


@Baggie_Saiyan
Yeah a new OP would be great, too.
Maybe after a possible Timeskip, like in Z? But also it could be, like in GT and they stick with one the entire run. But we can´t say for sure now.

Yeah maybe, I don't think we're getting a timeskip anytime soon though and if we do it'll probably be for EoZ , unless they're just gonna get there naturally. It's weird Kai 1.0 had the same OP for 98 episodes then Kai2.0 had different openings.

[HeroR]

I didn't contradict myself. Kais can be sensed by mortals, or at least all the Z-Fighters. Goku never had a problem sensing King Kai or the Supreme Kai. He didn't know it was impossible to sense truly divine ki until he met Beerus. Also, Goku could sense the Supreme Kai, otherwise he would have said he couldn't sense him at the tournament and wouldn't have been so shocked at his inability to sense Beerus.

Vegeta said in the 25th TB that none of them can tell how strong Kaioshin is. Not only that, but when Goku used Shunkan Ido to locate Gohan in the afterlife, he was surprised when he saw Kaioshin was with him, another implication that he can't sense his Ki.

Goku's base form and other Super Saiyan forms don't have god ki at all. It was never said or implied that he did. He may have absorbed godhood, but it only made his regular ki stronger. So, there is no confirmation that you need a certain percentage of god ki to be unsensible.

Ki is power, Goku kept the power of the God. If Goku kept the strength of the Super Saiyan God, then he kept the God Ki as well. It is pretty much the reason why Goku have divine Ki in his Super Saiyan Blue form. He only learned to fully utilize the divine Ki after his training with Whis. The bolded part is merely your assumption, and i can use the "it was never implied anywhere" argument to that as well. I know that it's arguable and it lacks any very strong evidence to support this, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. Since Black has Goku and Zamasu's Ki, the latter's Ki can't be sensed, yet Black's Ki can be, which means Goku's regular Ki is the reason for it.

But he could find King Kai and he's a Kai. Also, not being able to tell how powerful someone is, isn't the same as not sensing them at all, especially if they're suppression. Otherwise, Goku wouldn't have been so stun that he couldn't sense Beerus. Goku also trained to used Instant Transmission when Kid Buu dropped his giant energy ball, and he was trying to sense the Supreme Kai.

Goku kept the power of godhood, but he didn't keep god ki, which is why everyone sensed him. Vegeta never had Super Saiyan God, yet he still got Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan without having some percentage of god ki in his regular forms.

No one thinks or even implied Black is a god, and no one says he has divine ki.

[Khin]

But he could find King Kai and he's a Kai. Also, not being able to tell how powerful someone is, isn't the same as not sensing them at all, especially if they're suppression. Otherwise, Goku wouldn't have been so stun that he couldn't sense Beerus. Goku also trained to used Instant Transmission when Kid Buu dropped his giant energy ball, and he was trying to sense the Supreme Kai.

You need to look back at the statements about Gods Ki being unsensible by mortals, pretty much all of them are referring to Gods in general. I can argue that Goku uses Bubbles' Ki to locate Kaio's planet.

Minute: 16~17
Context: Goku charges Beerus, then suddenly draws back, apparently by instinct
Goku: “What? Why’d I retreat?”
Beerus: “You really are something. Actually, I was thinking of attacking just now. If you hadn’t moved away, you’d have lost…No doubt about it. You can’t sense the ki of deities. Even so, you dodged. Could you be a fighting prodigy? You might actually still be hiding some power…Like, say…the power of Super Saiyan God?”
Significance: I just thought this was an interesting line. And I’m sure someone out there has mistranslated it.

Minute: 17
Whis: "Those two have just barely reached the level where they can sense the ki of a god.

It's pretty silly to assume that only Beerus' Ki can't be sensed by mortals when you have statements like that. Also, we don't know if Goku is locating Kibitoshin's Ki when he tried to escape when Boo was about to destroy the Earth.

Goku kept the power of godhood, but he didn't keep god ki, which is why everyone sensed him. Vegeta never had Super Saiyan God, yet he still got Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan without having some percentage of god ki in his regular forms. No one thinks or even implied Black is a god, and no one says he has divine ki.

It was explained that Vegeta achieved the power of the God without the ritual, so him not getting the Red form doesn't mean anything. God Ki and God power are pretty much the same thing. And again, Black isn't a God, he just have Zamasu's Ki, who is a god.

[TheMikado]

Jeez this Ki absorption issue is everywhere, it's crazy it can be this ambiguous to split the fanbase, has this ever happened before for this long and to this degree?

[HeroR]

But he could find King Kai and he's a Kai. Also, not being able to tell how powerful someone is, isn't the same as not sensing them at all, especially if they're suppression. Otherwise, Goku wouldn't have been so stun that he couldn't sense Beerus. Goku also trained to used Instant Transmission when Kid Buu dropped his giant energy ball, and he was trying to sense the Supreme Kai.

You need to look back at the statements about Gods Ki being unsensible by mortals, pretty much all of them are referring to Gods in general. I can argue that Goku uses Bubbles' Ki to locate Kaio's planet.

Minute: 16~17
Context: Goku charges Beerus, then suddenly draws back, apparently by instinct
Goku: “What? Why’d I retreat?”
Beerus: “You really are something. Actually, I was thinking of attacking just now. If you hadn’t moved away, you’d have lost…No doubt about it. You can’t sense the ki of deities. Even so, you dodged. Could you be a fighting prodigy? You might actually still be hiding some power…Like, say…the power of Super Saiyan God?”
Significance: I just thought this was an interesting line. And I’m sure someone out there has mistranslated it.

Minute: 17
Whis: "Those two have just barely reached the level where they can sense the ki of a god.

It's pretty silly to assume that only Beerus' Ki can't be sensed by mortals when you have statements like that. Also, we don't know if Goku is locating Kibitoshin's Ki when he tried to escape when Boo was about to destroy the Earth.

Goku kept the power of godhood, but he didn't keep god ki, which is why everyone sensed him. Vegeta never had Super Saiyan God, yet he still got Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan without having some percentage of god ki in his regular forms. No one thinks or even implied Black is a god, and no one says he has divine ki.

It was explained that Vegeta achieved the power of the God without the ritual, so him not getting the Red form doesn't mean anything. God Ki and God power are pretty much the same thing. And again, Black isn't a God, he just have Zamasu's Ki, who is a god.

God ki is only insensible for gods like Beerus. The Kais can be sense by mortals since Goku sensed King Kai and tried to sense the Supreme Kai when blew up the Earth. It wasn't until Beerus that Goku explicitly said, 'I can't sense him'. Also, it's a stretch to think Goku sensed Bubbles from the mortal realm. He could barely sense Bulma on Earth during the Buu Saga.

He trained to unlock Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Nothing about him having a certain percentage of God ki in his body.

[TheMikado]

What, I cant remember if Golden Frieza was sensible by people like Krillin or not

[Khin]

God ki is only insensible for gods like Beerus. The Kais can be sense by mortals since Goku sensed King Kai and tried to sense the Supreme Kai when blew up the Earth. It wasn't until Beerus that Goku explicitly said, 'I can't sense him'. Also, it's a stretch to think Goku sensed Bubbles from the mortal realm. He could barely sense Bulma on Earth during the Buu Saga.

Again, look back at the statements i posted, it is pretty clear that all of them are referring to Gods in general, not just Beerus. Kaioshin is a God, and so Kaio. And again, we don't know who's Ki he's trying to locate when Pure Boo was about to destroy the Earth.

Also, comparing Bubbles to Bulma is just unfair. It took Goku like 40 days to catch Bubbles where he first trained here, and he also mistook him as Kaio first. It isn't far-fetched to think Bubbles have Ki strong enough Ki to be sensed by Goku from Earth.

He trained to unlock Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Nothing about him having a certain percentage of God ki in his body.

Same thing, it was stated that he obtained the God power without the need of the ritual.

[ekrolo2]

What, I cant remember if Golden Frieza was sensible by people like Krillin or not

He can, in fact be sensed by people. Tien comments on how his power is "immeasurable" when he first transforms. With Goku, Krillin says he can't feel him anymore when he turns Blue.

[Nekis13]

I wonder, after seeing many theories on how Black and Zamasu could fuse, would Vegetto or Gogeta be able to stand up to that fusion?

[Anime Kitten]

Sad to see that Yoka Yoka Dance is going, but I don't mind since it stayed for as long as it should have. Hopefully the new ending will fit whatever the next arc is, assuming this one's about over.

[THEGOKU]

I wonder, after seeing many theories on how Black and Zamasu could fuse, would Vegetto or Gogeta be able to stand up to that fusion?

That is a good question. Well assuming that the fusion was already the most powerful character in Z and since both Goku and Vegeta have their SSJB forms I would imagine it would be quite a power up and should be strong enough. I don't think Black and Zamasu would fuse though unless its a final resort for them but right now they have the upper hand.

[ArchedThunder]

I wonder, after seeing many theories on how Black and Zamasu could fuse, would Vegetto or Gogeta be able to stand up to that fusion?

I would hope that if they fused it would be a tough battle.

[Nejishiki]

Admittedly, I have no solution for this cliffhanger I'll present, but it would make for some suspense if the duo immediately deactivated their fusion with a godly device. Just picture the buildup and trial constructed towards getting the fusion off, only for them to have a plan against it already.

[Draconic]

Vegetto should be enough. Black is not very far from the Blue Goku and Vegeta and Zamasu, while pretty strong, I don't think is as strong as Black. Compared to Buuhan who also had Gohan's power, both far beyond Goku and Vegeta, who still got owned by Vegetto, I would imagine something similar would play out. It probably wouldn't be a complete stomp like Vegetto's first appearence, but I still think he should pull trough. Of course, not taking into account Zamasu's immortality, which might make things problematic, but again, Vegetto should be able to keep the evil fusion in check until they figure something out.

[sailorspazz]

New Ending is coming in October!

https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status ... 6215965696

So the song is "Chahan MUSIC", or "Fried Rice MUSIC"...okay

Was searching around to see if I could find a sample of what it sounds like, but no luck so far. I did find a page here where the singer talks about the inspiration behind the song. I don't have time to fully translate it right now, but he talked about a part of the lyrics from Makafushigi Adventure and the backwards talking bits from Zenkai Power as things they took inspiration from, and that they also wanted to incorporate food into the song since Gokuu is a big eater! And the bottom of the page shows a single release date of November 23rd.

[Xeztin]

I have found 2 nice Songs from Arukara.

Links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsiV5Ov7_JY

http://de.musicplayon.com/ARUKARA-Itsuw ... 52027.html


I have grown to Yoka Yoka Dance, and it´s quite ironic how the darkest Arc so far has the most cheerful ending. xD
But i´m all into getting something new, too. xD


@Baggie_Saiyan
Yeah a new OP would be great, too.
Maybe after a possible Timeskip, like in Z? But also it could be, like in GT and they stick with one the entire run. But we can´t say for sure now.

I believe the next ending will be Naruto-Ish which is good!

[Lord Beerus]

New Ending is coming in October!

https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status ... 6215965696

Thank God. Anything over the current ED we have, I'll consider an improvement.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

New Ending is coming in October!

https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status ... 6215965696

Thank God. Anything over the current ED we have, I'll consider an improvement.

Even something like this...?

[ekrolo2]

Even something like this...?

Rock & roll and Dragon Ball work really well so I'd call it a worthy replacement.