buutenks wrote:Well either frost different forms only increase his power by a very small percentage or current goku's base form is nothing like the preivous arcs, aka he is using much less power in base form and can multiply his power allot by going ssj and uses his full power once in ssgss.
That would explain why 2nd form frost could keep up with base goku, yet his final form totally got wrecked by ssj goku.
Base goku was doing good against a few % freeza, but that was even.
SS goku beat down 100% freeza
SS was, is , and has always been , a large boost.
Someone posted here that the statement of
"base beyond god goku being >= SSG"
is mistranslation
So, base goku did nothing, except having a little upperhand on freeza.
buutenks wrote:Well either frost different forms only increase his power by a very small percentage or current goku's base form is nothing like the preivous arcs, aka he is using much less power in base form and can multiply his power allot by going ssj and uses his full power once in ssgss.
That would explain why 2nd form frost could keep up with base goku, yet his final form totally got wrecked by ssj goku.
Base goku was doing good against a few % freeza, but that was even.
SS goku beat down 100% freeza
SS was, is , and has always been , a large boost.
Someone posted here that the statement of
"base beyond god goku being >= SSG"
is mistranslation
So, base goku did nothing, except having a little upperhand on freeza.
I am confused, what are you talking about?
What does this have to do with namek arc goku.
I am talking about bog and rof base goku.
I was giving an example.
Super still shows SS as as big of boost as ever, unlike GT, where SS seems like barely a boost
I have never cared about power levels at all. They became completely useless after the frieza Saga. Nobody knows and people go in circles over who's stronger. It's quite hilarious to read people talking multipliers and crap like that. I don't even think the creator remembers how strong someone is supposed to be lol.
julianix wrote:Just wanted to give my 2 cents on power levels.
I have never cared about power levels at all. They became completely useless after the frieza Saga. Nobody knows and people go in circles over who's stronger. It's quite hilarious to read people talking multipliers and crap like that. I don't even think the creator remembers how strong someone is supposed to be lol.
What contribution is in mocking aspects that fans enjoy and discuss in a story? Power levels may be revised at any time, but they are still one of the dozens of reasons that make Dragon Ball be the success it is today.
julianix wrote:Just wanted to give my 2 cents on power levels.
I have never cared about power levels at all. They became completely useless after the frieza Saga. Nobody knows and people go in circles over who's stronger. It's quite hilarious to read people talking multipliers and crap like that. I don't even think the creator remembers how strong someone is supposed to be lol.
Just because you never cared for them doesn't mean other people don't. So please next time instead of wasting our time with this kind of nonsense please don't say anything at all.
Super still shows SS as as big of boost as ever, unlike GT, where SS seems like barely a boost
Ah,well it is a boost, unknown how big tho.
Granted goku went from base form being around assault form frost to being far more powerful than final form frost as ssj.
Still first time i saw the episode, i thought goku is hiding most of his power, even as ssj. Basically he is fighting with his power prior to the god powerup.
Ofc now after rewatching it i can safely say that assault form frost is very powerful and that goku wasnt hiding his power as i previously thought.
Super still shows SS as as big of boost as ever, unlike GT, where SS seems like barely a boost
Ah,well it is a boost, unknown how big tho.
Granted goku went from base form being around assault form frost to being far more powerful than final form frost as ssj.
Still first time i saw the episode, i thought goku is hiding most of his power, even as ssj. Basically he is fighting with his power prior to the god powerup.
Ofc now after rewatching it i can safely say that assault form frost is very powerful and that goku wasnt hiding his power as i previously thought.
SS goku was as strong as SSG, before training with whis. So, frost being wrecked by SSG level means nothing except he is not as strong as SSG. After turning SS, goku was not going all out maybe, but he was going all out in base atleast
Super still shows SS as as big of boost as ever, unlike GT, where SS seems like barely a boost
BoG SSG is approximately = God Ki Goku with SSJ.
Toriyama says SSG is approximately 6 vs 10 for Beerus. Further Beerus states he had to use 70% of his power.
We have no idea what the power level of SSB is except that is less than Beerus.
With Goku at a 6 power level or even 5 if we want to be conservative his power boost would still need to be under x2 to be below Beerus's 10.
Furthermore it likely couldn't be just below Beerus as Golden Frieza was stronger but had less stamina. Meaning if SSB was a 9 vs Beerus's 10 then Golden Frieza would have been at or above Beerus level.
Super still shows SS as as big of boost as ever, unlike GT, where SS seems like barely a boost
BoG SSG is approximately = God Ki Goku with SSJ.
Toriyama says SSG is approximately 6 vs 10 for Beerus. Further Beerus states he had to use 70% of his power.
We have no idea what the power level of SSB is except that is less than Beerus.
With Goku at a 6 power level or even 5 if we want to be conservative his power boost would still need to be under x2 to be below Beerus's 10.
Furthermore it likely couldn't be just below Beerus as Golden Frieza was stronger but had less stamina. Meaning if SSB was a 9 vs Beerus's 10 then Golden Frieza would have been at or above Beerus level.
who says that base goku = SSG goku?
there is no way it is possible, as base vegeta was stronger than base goku (pre whis)
julianix wrote:Just wanted to give my 2 cents on power levels.
I have never cared about power levels at all. They became completely useless after the frieza Saga. Nobody knows and people go in circles over who's stronger. It's quite hilarious to read people talking multipliers and crap like that. I don't even think the creator remembers how strong someone is supposed to be lol.
Just because you never cared for them doesn't mean other people don't. So please next time instead of wasting our time with this kind of nonsense please don't say anything at all.
Hey if you like discussing power levels then more power to you. I'll still keep on thinking it's stupid as hell. Maybe that was mean of me. I'm sorry, carry on.
apex_pretador wrote:
who says that base goku = SSG goku?
there is no way it is possible, as base vegeta was stronger than base goku (pre whis)
Have you ever even watched BoG, Super, GT, or anything other than DBZ?
Again have no idea where you're getting your Vegeta base pre-Whis is stronger than Goku.
apex_pretador wrote:
who says that base goku = SSG goku?
there is no way it is possible, as base vegeta was stronger than base goku (pre whis)
Have you ever even watched BoG, Super, GT, or anything other than DBZ?
Again have no idea where you're getting your Vegeta base pre-Whis is stronger than Goku.
by goku's quote
buutenks wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:
who says that base goku = SSG goku?
there is no way it is possible, as base vegeta was stronger than base goku (pre whis)
Base goku punched that big ki ball and dispersed it at the end of the goku vs beerus fight...so ye...
isn't it possible that he got a power boost at that exact instant? like a rage boost type thing? or anything else to indicate that?
isn't it possible that he got a power boost at that exact instant? like a rage boost type thing? or anything else to indicate that?
Rage boost to God Tier levels? The only one allowed to do that without a transformation is Vegeta.
Besides you would actually need to be enraged to have a rage boost.
isn't it possible that he got a power boost at that exact instant? like a rage boost type thing? or anything else to indicate that?
Rage boost to God Tier levels? The only one allowed to do that without a transformation is Vegeta.
Besides you would actually need to be enraged to have a rage boost.
isn't it possible that he got a power boost at that exact instant? like a rage boost type thing? or anything else to indicate that?
Rage boost to God Tier levels? The only one allowed to do that without a transformation is Vegeta.
Besides you would actually need to be enraged to have a rage boost.
not exactly rage boost, but something like "desperation boost" or whatever
I mean his power might've spiked at the exact instant due to his SSG powers, and when he calmed down after battle, it merged with his SS form , i.e. , only accessible in SS form
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
If he was able to defeat Frost, I'd say by very good amount. But then again, he may have been able to use cunning and strategy to defeat Frost. I'd say we wait until the episode airs and then we can get a decent gauge of his strength.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I guess Vegeta was right. Maybe the humans should stop slacking off and be Super Humans already.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
