Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Birusu16]

They did it again though...if they teamed up Freeza wouldn't have blown up earth...so sorry but I disagree. If they really got passed pride and earth coming first, they'd have done that.

Has nothing to do with my opinion. Which you keep trying to presume is wrong. Also he still went on about being better than Goku via rage boost. So he's still there. He's as prideful as ever, but he has a better heart now. His pride didn't change. His use of logic and reason did.

I'll take my conversation with someone who saw the movie, and agree'd with my opinion while explaining why he felt the scene worked for him, over the clear bias for Vegeta here that tosses away any faults he had. Don't give me that I hate Vegeta crap though...seriously don't.

1. So we're just going to ignore Vegeta tossing his pride away in BoGs in order to please Beerus? We're just going to ignore him letting Goku become the SSJG instead of himself? You really do like to ignore any evidence that's contrary to your argument.
2. And if you read my post then you'd see where I said he still has his pride, but it's certainly not anywhere near the extremes that it used to be.
3. And yet you accuse me of refusing to see a different point of view. Funny how you call me out for bias for Vegeta when it's clear as day you have heavy bias against him. I could really care less how much you deny it.

Like I said, he didn't lose pride. He gained common sense and thoughtful thinking.

He still has as much pride as ever in my opinion. You're not interested in anything I say, only being right.

Oh yeah...so much bias that I went to see Ryo Horikawa TWICE. Oh yeah. I really hate Vegeta. You got me. I just wanted to go see his Japanese Seiyuu twice to say Vegeta sucks balls...yep.

1. Implying I ever said he lost his pride. I said it's not nearly as excessive as it once was. Please READ.
2. Really? So he'd let himself be taken over by an evil wizard again just to match Goku in power? Because that's how excessive his pride was back in the early Buu saga. And this is just amusing with you saying I'm only interested in being right. I present a perfectly sound and logical case for why Vegeta may have pounced on a weakened Freeza and you write it off and simply say nope it was just because he wanted to one-up Goku despite have absolutely no proof of such. So I'm sorry, but who's the one who's only interested in being right? You absolutely refuse to even acknowledge anything I've presented. You just write it off as lol nope it was this instead.
3. And yes, you have clear bias against him. I could care less how much you deny it. You absolutely refuse to see any of his good traits and refuse to acknowledge how much he's improved his bad ones. All you've sat here and done since the first spoilers for the movie popped up is criticize and hate on Vegeta.

[dbzfan7]

the problem is that his critique alone and only focuses on Vegeta. Someone talks about Vegeta and away you go criticizing. Dragon Ball has more characters, even in the movie there are more characters. seems that 80% of his posts criticizing Vegeta. Really that's the attitude of a hater. Sorry if I'm wrong, but honestly is what it seems me.

I criticize even my favorite of characters. I have went on about Goku and how douchy he has been since the Boo saga and possibly earlier. It's the poison Toriyama even mentions. I even mention how Gohan is being such a dipshit moron and pretty much putting him back to square 1 of having his daddy save him like he's a child again. I don't pull punches for anyone.

1. Implying I ever said he lost his pride. I said it's not nearly as excessive as it once was. Please READ.
2. Really? So he'd let himself be taken over by an evil wizard again just to match Goku in power? Because that's how excessive his pride was back in the early Buu saga. And this is just amusing with you saying I'm only interested in being right. I present a perfectly sound and logical case for why Vegeta may have pounced on a weakened Freeza and you write it off and simply say nope it was just because he wanted to one-up Goku despite have absolutely no proof of such. So I'm sorry, but who's the one who's only interested in being right?

You absolutely refuse to even acknowledge anything I've presented. You just write it off as lol nope it was this instead.
3. And yes, you have clear bias against him. I could care less how much you deny it. You absolutely refuse to see any of his good traits and refuse to acknowledge how much he's improved his bad ones.

That's the same thing as saying he has less pride. That's what excessive means. More than usual.

I have too, but you simply do not care. I haven't even said you are wrong, not once. I stated my opinion on the subject. You're the only one going about right and wrong. I'm merely going on my interpretation...that is all.

Case and point, you already only see things your way. If you think I'm honestly hugely biased against him even though I went to see his seiyuu twice because of how much I like Vegeta, then you are being delusional. Putting labels on me does not help your case at all. Stop.

[bubibartra]

Vegeta was a really very intelligent character in Namek that did not care to accept help although he was proud,
then, in the Cell saga was stupidly proud.
BoG and Bingo scene was stupid... nut vegeta can maintain an attitude that combines intelligence he showed in Namek and pride,

[fexus]

Vegeta was a really very intelligent character in Namek that did not care to accept help although he was proud,
then, in the Cell saga was stupidly proud.
BoG and Bingo scene was stupid... nut vegeta can maintain an attitude that combines intelligence he showed in Namek and pride,

In my opinion the Bingo scene was great. It shows that Vegeta can and will willingly throw away his pride to save someone precious to him.

[bubibartra]

Vegeta was a really very intelligent character in Namek that did not care to accept help although he was proud,
then, in the Cell saga was stupidly proud.
BoG and Bingo scene was stupid... nut vegeta can maintain an attitude that combines intelligence he showed in Namek and pride,

In my opinion the Bingo scene was great. It shows that Vegeta can and will willingly throw away his pride to save someone precious to him.

vegeta can willingly throw away his pride a lot smarter and less ridiculous manner,

[dbzfan7]

In my opinion the Bingo scene was great. It shows that Vegeta can and will willingly throw away his pride to save someone precious to him.

vegeta can willingly throw away his pride a lot smarter and less ridiculous manner,

I found it great. His family grew to be more important than his pride. It'd only have been bad if Vegeta suddenly liked the dance and started making dancing a hobby of his.

[bubibartra]

the problem is that his critique alone and only focuses on Vegeta. Someone talks about Vegeta and away you go criticizing. Dragon Ball has more characters, even in the movie there are more characters. seems that 80% of his posts criticizing Vegeta. Really that's the attitude of a hater. Sorry if I'm wrong, but honestly is what it seems me.

I criticize even my favorite of characters. I have went on about Goku and how douchy he has been since the Boo saga and possibly earlier. It's the poison Toriyama even mentions. I even mention how Gohan is being such a dipshit moron and pretty much putting him back to square 1 of having his daddy save him like he's a child again. I don't pull punches for anyone.

Kid Gohan was impressive but Toriyama ruin the character, no remedy with Gohan. My hope is that it does not ruin the other children saiyan
About Goku, I like that point of selfish unconscious, without it goku would be a simply classic hero

[Birusu16]

the problem is that his critique alone and only focuses on Vegeta. Someone talks about Vegeta and away you go criticizing. Dragon Ball has more characters, even in the movie there are more characters. seems that 80% of his posts criticizing Vegeta. Really that's the attitude of a hater. Sorry if I'm wrong, but honestly is what it seems me.

I criticize even my favorite of characters. I have went on about Goku and how douchy he has been since the Boo saga and possibly earlier. It's the poison Toriyama even mentions. I even mention how Gohan is being such a dipshit moron and pretty much putting him back to square 1 of having his daddy save him like he's a child again. I don't pull punches for anyone.

1. Implying I ever said he lost his pride. I said it's not nearly as excessive as it once was. Please READ.
2. Really? So he'd let himself be taken over by an evil wizard again just to match Goku in power? Because that's how excessive his pride was back in the early Buu saga. And this is just amusing with you saying I'm only interested in being right. I present a perfectly sound and logical case for why Vegeta may have pounced on a weakened Freeza and you write it off and simply say nope it was just because he wanted to one-up Goku despite have absolutely no proof of such. So I'm sorry, but who's the one who's only interested in being right?

You absolutely refuse to even acknowledge anything I've presented. You just write it off as lol nope it was this instead.
3. And yes, you have clear bias against him. I could care less how much you deny it. You absolutely refuse to see any of his good traits and refuse to acknowledge how much he's improved his bad ones.

That's the same thing as saying he has less pride. That's what excessive means. More than usual.

I have too, but you simply do not care. I haven't even said you are wrong, not once. I stated my opinion on the subject. You're the only one going about right and wrong. I'm merely going on my interpretation...that is all.

Case and point, you already only see things your way. If you think I'm honestly hugely biased against him even though I went to see his seiyuu twice because of how much I like Vegeta, then you are being delusional. Putting labels on me does not help your case at all. Stop.

1. Losing his pride suggests he has absolutely no pride anymore, so no, it's not the same thing. I never said he lost his pride. I said it's not nearly as excessive, which means it's not nearly as great as it once was.
2. You didn't have to. You've written anything I've said off, which more than shows that you don't care for what I had to say and think your view is the only sound viewpoint here. Case and point, me presenting what Vegeta might be thinking and you completely writing it off while saying it's something else in a factual manner despite there not being a single ounce of proof of it.
3. All I'll say is look in the mirror because you're being far more hypocritical right now than you realize.

[ShadowWolf87]

honestly you are obsessed with vegeta Being a hater is bored and tired
why both attack Vegeta fans? His own signature is an attack to vegeta.
heck, you are obsessed with Vegeta, is always looking for a post to discuss the character, If people enjoy moments of Vegeta what is the problem?
Goku , Vegeta and Piccolo are the best characters... I'll never understand who is dedicated to hate any of these three

I'm not even doing that. Criticism is not hate. If anything Vegeta enthusiast's are being way too uptight. I do not hate Vegeta. I like Vegeta. He has cool moments. He has cool speeches. I met his japanese voice actor twice. Oh yeah. I really hate Vegeta.

the problem is that his critique alone and only focuses on Vegeta. Someone talks about Vegeta and away you go criticizing. Dragon Ball has more characters, even in the movie there are more characters. seems that 80% of his posts criticizing Vegeta. Really that's the attitude of a hater. Sorry if I'm wrong, but honestly is what it seems me.

That's mostly because it's primarily what people have been focusing on and/or complaining about as of late. Or trying to reason why X, Y, or Z scenarios may not apply or count or what have you.

Thread was moving so well around the premiere and now we're back to the arguing.

[Noah]

Wow, so Gohan isn't such a weakling in this film actually, it's just that Freeza played dirty on him? WIth that and Sorbet's attack on Goku, Freeza and his men are quite the dishonorable guys, lol.

He is that much of a weakling. He gets one-shotted by 1st form Freeza in his own base form, and can't go "Ultimate".

Gohan isn't worth of anything more in the series, it was established since GT that his character would be something like that: Just one more to fight, not above Goku and Vegeta neither just one step back, but severals.

, won't like the climax being stomp between someone fresh vs someone weakened, etc.tc.

and finally Freeezer receive a Kamehameha at full power while he is more weakened and in the fourth form ... but Freezer loses the right to a fair fight when he and goku fighting 1vs1 and appeared Sorbet...

Saiyan learn to be cheater against cheaters rivals, and it is good.

So, wait... Whis using his power to come back in time makes like Vegeta fight against Freeza never happened at all? I don't get it.

I'm pretty excited about the battles now, even if with context they're pretty stupid.

Me too, you made a very good point... DBZ is not solely about incredible battles and beam struggle we want context behind it that what make things to go interesting and awesome.

That seriously does not match up with what's seen in-canon, but alright.

That would mean he didn't degrade even a tiny bit I guess, considering he was actually eager for a shot at someone on Freeza's level.

Well, much of what Toriyama says doesn't really match up with the canon, yeah...

I know this is catering to the whole "Vegeta should've killed Freeza" thing, which I don't really care about, but hear me out on this. Let's say Vegeta didn't give a senzu to Goku because the last one was given to Jaco (he turned one down right?). That would mean when Whis rewinds time Goku doesn't have the energy to kill Freeza but instead sort of blasts/tackles him causing Freeza to miss, which results in Vegeta getting the kill in dramatic fashion. That's the only alternative I could think of that has Vegeta getting the kill instead of Goku.

Great idea, pal... But I would think something different, Vegeta could give the last senzu to Freeza just like Goku did with Cell and then fighting with he fully-powered in his Golden Form, a good way to test his powers, it would be a harsh fight but Vegeta would eventually win the battle and then Freeza having a prediction that he would perish by the hands of another Saiyan he would commit suicide seeing that he has no choices, destroying the planet killing himself for good but Vegeta would manage a way to survive, no Whis Deus Ex Machina, no BS, just a very top ending to this movie.

[sintzu]

vegeta can willingly throw away his pride a lot smarter and less ridiculous manner.

He didn't have time to think of anything else.

He still has as much pride as ever in my opinion.

He still has his pride but unlike before he won't put it above the safety of his family,friends and the planet.

[dbzfan7]

1. Losing his pride suggests he has absolutely no pride anymore, so no, it's not the same thing. I never said he lost his pride. I said it's not nearly as excessive, which means it's not nearly as great as it once was.
2. You didn't have to. You've written anything I've said off, which more than shows that you don't care for what I had to say and think your view is the only sound viewpoint here. Case and point, me presenting what Vegeta might be thinking and you completely writing it off while saying it's something else in a factual manner despite there not being a single ounce of proof of it.
3. All I'll say is look in the mirror because you're being far more hypocritical right now than you realize.

You can think that all you want. When I talk to someone who's actually seen the movie, we see eye to eye and have a fair discussion. Not once there did I ever come off as poor. If anything we sorted out a misunderstanding a few pages back. When someone who's seen the movie, understands my point, agree's with it to an extent, and then tosses his own theory in, then chances are I'm not so hypocritical or delusional. If someone who's seen the movie understands and recognizes my points, then they aren't biased or full of hot air. Especially when I thought some of his points and theories were good ones.

The only person looking poor is you. Not me. The minute you label me as horribly biased to a character that I went out of my way to see meet his voice in person, the minute your claim is absolutely ridiculous. There is no bias. I have dissed and said bad things about characters I like. I have something good and bad to say about everyone.

He still has his pride but unlike before he won't put it above the safety of his family,friends and the planet.

Agreed. You get it. Would you honestly call me biased when I went to visit Vegeta's seiyuu twice? Why would I ever do that if I hate Vegeta?

[bubibartra]

In my opinion the Bingo scene was great. It shows that Vegeta can and will willingly throw away his pride to save someone precious to him.

vegeta can willingly throw away his pride a lot smarter and less ridiculous manner,

I found it great. His family grew to be more important than his pride. It'd only have been bad if Vegeta suddenly liked the dance and started making dancing a hobby of his.

A silly way also not good for nothing.

This was no to stop someone like Beerus. The scene is very bad, it would be just as bad if the protagonist was Piccolo or Ten Shin Han, out of character, stupid, and unintelligent for part of Vegeta. Vegeta would have looked taking Bherus of the Planet, not doing the stupid uselessly

[Birusu16]

1. Losing his pride suggests he has absolutely no pride anymore, so no, it's not the same thing. I never said he lost his pride. I said it's not nearly as excessive, which means it's not nearly as great as it once was.
2. You didn't have to. You've written anything I've said off, which more than shows that you don't care for what I had to say and think your view is the only sound viewpoint here. Case and point, me presenting what Vegeta might be thinking and you completely writing it off while saying it's something else in a factual manner despite there not being a single ounce of proof of it.
3. All I'll say is look in the mirror because you're being far more hypocritical right now than you realize.

You can think that all you want. When I talk to someone who's actually seen the movie, we see eye to eye and have a fair discussion. Not once there did I ever come off as poor. If anything we sorted out a misunderstanding a few pages back. When someone who's seen the movie, understands my point, agree's with it to an extent, and then tosses his own theory in, then chances are I'm not so hypocritical or delusional. If someone who's seen the movie understands and recognizes my points, then they aren't biased or full of hot air. Especially when I thought some of his points and theories were good ones.

The only person looking poor is you. Not me. The minute you label me as horribly biased to a character that I went out of my way to see meet his voice in person, the minute your claim is absolutely ridiculous. There is no bias. I have dissed and said bad things about characters I like. I have something good and bad to say about everyone.

1. I'm sorry but since when are theories factual? It's great and all that someone saw the movie and you two exchanged theories, but unless either of you can read Vegeta's mind then you don't know exactly what he's thinking, so no, you're viewpoint is not the only sound and logical one being presented here and it surely doesn't give you the right to just write off other viewpoints while presenting yours as factual. You're once again being disgustingly arrogant, which seems to be a theme with you.
2. You mean just like the minute you labeled me as horribly biased for Vegeta despite not knowing a thing about me? Yea I'm sure you're certainly not looking poor there.

Like I said, look in the mirror. You're hypocritical tenancies are more blatant than you'd like to believe.

[lord turbo]

And anime are for children. All of them because they are cartoons. Right? Just because you think Freeza is only needed because of his strength doesn't mean you're right. Also, Freeza has tried to sweet talk before. Even in this new movie, Freeza offered Vegeta a high position in his empire.

Yes, this is a show aimmed for small kids so the writing will be very simplistic and blunt so they comprehend it. This isn't Bleach were Kubo is always trying to trick the audience left and right. The only reason I think Freeza is needed for his power and reputation is because that is what all official material has presented him as so that is all of what I'm left to think of. Anything else is just mere conjecture and speculation. The sweet talk is just merely Freeza trying to sway people to his side without doing much effort, once that doesn't work he quickly reverts to his sadistic brutal tyrannical side. Noticed he offered Goku a position in his organization on Namek and decided to simply wipe Goku out once he plainly refused.

I'm sure Freeza did other things as some of the men (Dodoria, Zarbon, and GInyu Force) seemed rather loyal to him so there is some kind of charisma there, but it always seemed the bulk of his leadership was through fear, power, and reputation.

Goku and Vegeta being unwilling to fight together is a rather out-of-the-blue issue anyway. During the final battle with Kid Buu on Kaioshin's planet, they worked together to defeat him. Vegeta endured a brutal beating to give Goku the time he needed to gather energy for the Genki Dama. One of my favorite scenes in the series is when, battered but victorious, they both smiled and gave each other a thumbs up. Vegeta didn't pitch a fit because Goku got the kill, and Goku wasn't upset that the victory wasn't his alone. They were just happy that they, together, had won.

Later, in BoG, Vegeta was angry at the end of the movie when he found out that Goku had been watching everyone else battle against Beerus instead of helping. He didn't have any qualms about fighting alongside Goku.

It's like Goku and Vegeta have devolved into petty children in FnF, losing the maturity and character development they'd once had. Trunks and Goten are excluded from FnF's battle because they might do something rash, but their fathers' immature behavior trumps any of their past screw-ups.

Agreed, its the reason I didn't care much for BoGs because the characterization and interaction between Goku and Vegeta was so off and lousy to me. Its like Toriyama regretted having them grow so beautifully during the Buu arc and regressed them back to their previous state so he could write this story which makes it feel unnatural, forced, and contrived to me. Its made even worst by the fact Goku and Vegeta fully realize their flaws, but don't give a damn and pretty much high five each other. its like they intentionally avoided having to evolve so they can stay the same, so pointless too me.

Not a huge difference, but it's important to recognize that becoming a Super Saiyan God while also having the ability to become a Super Saiyan does not automatically grant you this ability. It is something that needs to be mastered through training.

I beg to differ, Goku had already absorbed SSJG in BoGs which is why Beerus stated his power didn't decrease at all when he lost the red SSJG power because he still retained it in his base or SSJ form. I imagined his hair didn't turn blue because the effects hadn't fully washed over his blonde SSJ hair yet, by the time RoF happens SSJG has completely taken effect and washed out his blonde hair as blue. Goku already had this form to begin with, the blue hair was just late in fully coming out.

Dont forget their trying not to kill any of them, that makes things a least at little harder.

Not really, only during this film is it difficult, any other time and they always been capable of oneshotting someone weaker than them without having to kill them.

[dbzfan7]

1. Losing his pride suggests he has absolutely no pride anymore, so no, it's not the same thing. I never said he lost his pride. I said it's not nearly as excessive, which means it's not nearly as great as it once was.
2. You didn't have to. You've written anything I've said off, which more than shows that you don't care for what I had to say and think your view is the only sound viewpoint here. Case and point, me presenting what Vegeta might be thinking and you completely writing it off while saying it's something else in a factual manner despite there not being a single ounce of proof of it.
3. All I'll say is look in the mirror because you're being far more hypocritical right now than you realize.

You can think that all you want. When I talk to someone who's actually seen the movie, we see eye to eye and have a fair discussion. Not once there did I ever come off as poor. If anything we sorted out a misunderstanding a few pages back. When someone who's seen the movie, understands my point, agree's with it to an extent, and then tosses his own theory in, then chances are I'm not so hypocritical or delusional. If someone who's seen the movie understands and recognizes my points, then they aren't biased or full of hot air. Especially when I thought some of his points and theories were good ones.

The only person looking poor is you. Not me. The minute you label me as horribly biased to a character that I went out of my way to see meet his voice in person, the minute your claim is absolutely ridiculous. There is no bias. I have dissed and said bad things about characters I like. I have something good and bad to say about everyone.

1. I'm sorry but since when are theories factual? It's great and all that someone saw the movie and you two exchanged theories, but unless either of you can read Vegeta's mind then you don't know exactly what he's thinking, so no, you're viewpoint is not the only sound and logical one being presented here and it surely doesn't give you the right to just write off other viewpoints while presenting yours as factual. You're once again being disgustingly arrogant, which seems to be a theme with you.
2. You mean just like the minute you labeled me as horribly biased for Vegeta despite not knowing a thing about me? Yea I'm sure you're certainly not looking poor there.

Like I said, look in the mirror. You're hypocritical tenancies are more blatant than you'd like to believe.

Never said they were...but I trust his word since he saw the movie over yours. Someone who has full context and has seen it all. I don't need maybe's when that someone has the full context.

Coming from the person who could literally see that I met his Seiyuu, and still thinks I'm biased towards Vegeta...right.

[Birusu16]

Never said they were...but I trust his word since he saw the movie over yours. Someone who has full context understood unlike you.

Coming from the person who could literally see that I met his Seiyuu, and still thinks I'm biased towards Vegeta...right.

1.You surely presented them as if they were considering you completely wrote off my viewpoint in favor of your own despite absolutely no concrete proof, no implications, nothing whatsoever. And if you have none of that then your viewpoint isn't anymore valid than mine. Stop being such a disgustingly arrogant poster and actually try and see other viewpoints besides your own. You were obviously able to do that with whoever you talked to yet can't manage to do that with me. I wonder why that is. Oh I know. Because you can't stop being a hypocrite for one second when having a debate with me. It's your way or the highway. Not open to any other opinions whatsoever.
2. You mean just like how you simply wrote me off as an obsessed Vegeta fan despite not ever meeting me, knowing me, or anything of the sort?

Look in the mirror buddy.

[sintzu]

Why would I ever do that if I hate Vegeta?

To try to kill him in hopes of Vegeta getting written out of the story out of respect to his death ?

[dbzfan7]

Never said they were...but I trust his word since he saw the movie over yours. Someone who has full context understood unlike you.

Coming from the person who could literally see that I met his Seiyuu, and still thinks I'm biased towards Vegeta...right.

1.You surely presented them as if they were considering you completely wrote off my viewpoint in favor of your own despite absolutely no concrete proof, no implications, nothing whatsoever. And if you have none of that then your viewpoint isn't anymore valid than mine. Stop being such a disgustingly arrogant poster and actually try and see other viewpoints besides your own. You were obviously able to do that with whoever you talked to yet can't manage to do that with me. I wonder why that is. Oh I know. Because you can't stop being a hypocrite for one second when having a debate with me.
2. You mean just like how you simply wrote me off as an obsessed Vegeta fan despite not ever meeting me, knowing me, or anything of the sort?

Look in the mirror buddy.

Every post I made was my opinion. Every response was "Nuh Uh Vegeta is like this now" I personally think it was a bit embarrassing, you don't. That's all there is to it now.

The difference is I have the evidence to prove I'm not biased, you do not. People can easily believe me since I can prove it. You. You've already given off the impression, and believe me we've noticed.

Why would I ever do that if I hate Vegeta?

To try to kill him in hopes of Vegeta getting written out of the story out of respect to his death ?

Then I must suck at that task cause I filmed him, and took two pictures with Mr. Horikawa.

[fexus]

And anime are for children. All of them because they are cartoons. Right? Just because you think Freeza is only needed because of his strength doesn't mean you're right. Also, Freeza has tried to sweet talk before. Even in this new movie, Freeza offered Vegeta a high position in his empire.

Yes, this is a show aimmed for small kids so the writing will be very simplistic and blunt so they comprehend it. This isn't Bleach were Kubo is always trying to trick the audience left and right. The only reason I think Freeza is needed for his power and reputation is because that is what all official material has presented him as so that is all of what I'm left to think of. Anything else is just mere conjecture and speculation. The sweet talk is just merely Freeza trying to sway people to his side without doing much effort, once that doesn't work he quickly reverts to his sadistic brutal tyrannical side. Noticed he offered Goku a position in his organization on Namek and decided to simply wipe Goku out once he plainly refused.

I'm sure Freeza did other things as some of the men (Dodoria, Zarbon, and GInyu Force) seemed rather loyal to him so there is some kind of charisma there, but it always seemed the bulk of his leadership was through fear, power, and reputation.

Bleach is also aimed at kids and is also isn't anywhere near as intelligent or anywhere decently written as you think it is. The writing in both is, are and will always be poor. The point that I want to make is that Freeza does have skills besides just killing people. Sure, he doesn't seem to use it when confronting someone when he really wanted that something. If you think maintaining an organization as large as Freeza's is easy, you have to think again. Based on the time Freeza was presented in the manga, he was trying to get a specific something to increase his own powers without trying to work for it. If Freeza was only a megalomaniac, he would for sure wouldn't be able to maintain his organization.