Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[ekrolo2]

The way I see it, is that Goku defeated Freeza, this is what happened - everyone who has seen the movie has confirmed this. It was Freeza who was utterly defeated by Goku, having been hit by the giant Kamehameha.
Then, Goku lets his guard down, and is taken out by Sorbet. Then, Vegeta steps in, a t the point where Freeza is exhausted, and already defeated - I'm not taking away Vegeta's moment, he deserves it, I'm a big fan of Vegeta, and just as much as anyone else in this thread, he's easily one of my favourite characters.
But you cannot deny that Goku did all of the legwork in this fight, and Vegeta got the scraps leftover, and rightfully gave the evil overlord a revenge style beating.

Vegeta had an opportunity to fight Golden Freeza immediately after he transformed, and turned it down - this for me is good, as it keeps Vegeta in character - he fights calculatingly, and thinks about every move, something which is pointed out by Whis during training.
So Vegeta wanted to enter the fight at a point where he would have a clear advantage - we see this throughout the story, he very seldom fights straight off the bat against opponents he doesn't think he can beat.

This scenario is what has been pointed out in the thread before by other members, it acts as a training exercise for Goku & Vegeta. Vegeta is slow to react - he wanted to face Freeza when he was in his "final form" most likely because he knew Freeza wouldn't be able to deal with him, as he has grown far stronger since the Namek Arc. His reluctance to face Freeza after his "golden" transformation, when he thought he may not be able to beat him. Whilst on the other hand, Goku is too relaxed - and we see this with the sneak attack from Sorbet, catching him unaware.

No matter how you look at it, Vegeta merely gets a chance to beat on Freeza, who was shattered at this point, having been going at full power simply to keep up with Goku, and hit by a giant Kamehameha, he gets his moment of redemption which he thoroughly deserves.

A win all around really. I can't wait to see this film!.

He let Freeza repeatedly transform on Namek despite knowing he'd be pretty outclassed, he let Cell transform into his Perfect form just to test himself and he was cocky enough to again think he'd be able to defeat Buu without anyone elses help. Vegeta being smart about his engagements ended when the Ginyu force arrived and his IQ has yet to grow back since. He's completely failed to fight smartly since then. If anything, Vegeta should've been the one to want to go up against Freeza and Goku be the one to sense that somethings amiss, as it was during their battle in the Buu Saga.

If anything, Whis' whole lecture to Goku and Vegeta is completely wrong. More often then not, Goku knows when to gauge his opponents strength in a fairly precise and unbiased way, Vegeta's the one who gets too laid back and cocky with his strength and it has been the cause of his repeated ass kickings throughout DBZ. If he suddenly grew a brain cell its not any better, its just rushed "character development".

Vegeta shouldn't be scared of Freeza, if anything he'd be the one to rush in and have at him thinking he's superior, especially given his recent acquisition of God power. As for the whole "letting down your guard thing" please don't remind me, I try not to think about that.... thing....

[bubibartra]

The way I see it, is that Goku defeated Freeza, this is what happened - everyone who has seen the movie has confirmed this. It was Freeza who was utterly defeated by Goku, having been hit by the giant Kamehameha.
Then, Goku lets his guard down, and is taken out by Sorbet. Then, Vegeta steps in, a t the point where Freeza is exhausted, and already defeated - I'm not taking away Vegeta's moment, he deserves it, I'm a big fan of Vegeta, and just as much as anyone else in this thread, he's easily one of my favourite characters.
But you cannot deny that Goku did all of the legwork in this fight, and Vegeta got the scraps leftover, and rightfully gave the evil overlord a revenge style beating.

Vegeta had an opportunity to fight Golden Freeza immediately after he transformed, and turned it down - this for me is good, as it keeps Vegeta in character - he fights calculatingly, and thinks about every move, something which is pointed out by Whis during training.
So Vegeta wanted to enter the fight at a point where he would have a clear advantage - we see this throughout the story, he very seldom fights straight off the bat against opponents he doesn't think he can beat.

This scenario is what has been pointed out in the thread before by other members, it acts as a training exercise for Goku & Vegeta. Vegeta is slow to react - he wanted to face Freeza when he was in his "final form" most likely because he knew Freeza wouldn't be able to deal with him, as he has grown far stronger since the Namek Arc. His reluctance to face Freeza after his "golden" transformation, when he thought he may not be able to beat him. Whilst on the other hand, Goku is too relaxed - and we see this with the sneak attack from Sorbet, catching him unaware.

No matter how you look at it, Vegeta merely gets a chance to beat on Freeza, who was shattered at this point, having been going at full power simply to keep up with Goku, and hit by a giant Kamehameha, he gets his moment of redemption which he thoroughly deserves.

A win all around really. I can't wait to see this film!.

He let Freeza repeatedly transform on Namek despite knowing he'd be pretty outclassed, he let Cell transform into his Perfect form just to test himself and he was cocky enough to again think he'd be able to defeat Buu without anyone elses help. Vegeta being smart about his engagements ended when the Ginyu force arrived and his IQ has yet to grow back since. He's completely failed to fight smartly since then. If anything, Vegeta should've been the one to want to go up against Freeza and Goku be the one to sense that somethings amiss, as it was during their battle in the Buu Saga.

If anything, Whis' whole lecture to Goku and Vegeta is completely wrong. More often then not, Goku knows when to gauge his opponents strength in a fairly precise and unbiased way, Vegeta's the one who gets too laid back and cocky with his strength and it has been the cause of his repeated ass kickings throughout DBZ. If he suddenly grew a brain cell its not any better, its just rushed "character development".

Vegeta shouldn't be scared of Freeza, if anything he'd be the one to rush in and have at him thinking he's superior, especially given his recent acquisition of God power. As for the whole "letting down your guard thing" please don't remind me, I try not to think about that.... thing....

In Namek. vegeta acts intelligently, knew that Frieza finally will draw their strength. It was something that Freezer had at his disposal and vegeta could not do anything against.

against cell was simply stupid.

Again I say people who have seen the movie does not have much negative bias against Vegeta's role as the people who are guided by the summaries.

[buutenks]

Everyone seems to be letting their guards down in ROF,guess its the equivalent of jobbing hehe ^^



I'm curious was goku pierced in his blue state?Cos then even if he dropped his guard,that ring must have been insanely powerful to pierce goku's skin.

Take ssj goku in namek,he took freeza's finger beam to the face and barely got a lip bleed.

So either he dropped his power level in god state to like 20 k or basically dodoria's level or so or that ring has some hax powers.

[sayian_nation_]

Well Vegeta had been working along side Frieza for quite some time. I'm sure he studied his moves, motives and gathered as much information as he could about him before he decided to go against Frieza. After that all Vegeta could probably think about was surpassing Goku.

[ekrolo2]

In Namek. vegeta acts intelligently, knew that Freeza finally will draw their strength. It was something that Freezer had at his disposal and vegeta could not do anything against.

against cell was simply stupid.

Again I say people who have seen the movie does not have much negative bias against Vegeta's role as the people who are guided by the summaries.

How the hell is letting a guy who could blow up your planet with a finger in his FIRST FORM transform into superior forms smart?! I know this is Dragon Ball and everyones a statue when this stuff happens, but he's so damn cocky even here that he thinks Freeza's strength, even in transformed level will be inferior to his just because he keeps repeating "IMA SUPER SAIYAN!" over and over.

And again, I don't care if everyone who's seen this movie calls it the best thing ever. I dislike this plot point, no amount of cool animation will change that, now does that mean I'll be as negative about the film as a whole after seeing it? Depends if I like the full package or not, I'll try to give it a fair shot, but again, if me not seeing this means my opinion on this development is invalid or lesser, then why do people who defend it and haven't seen it seemingly have the edge in these arguments?

Well Vegeta had been working along side Freeza for quite some time. I'm sure he studied his moves, motives and gathered as much information as he could about him before he decided to go against Freeza. After that all Vegeta could probably think about was surpassing Goku.

What moves? Freeza in his form form could literally murder everyone he'd face by that point minus Cold, Beerus and Whis. Besides, fighting technique means nothing by this point, raw power does and even if he did know, why the hell is he still so confident that his transformation won't make him significantly stronger? Even a marginal boost of 100 000 alone would've put Freeza well above Vegeta, certainly enough to kill him easily.

[bubibartra]

In Namek. vegeta acts intelligently, knew that Freeza finally will draw their strength. It was something that Freezer had at his disposal and vegeta could not do anything against.

against cell was simply stupid.

Again I say people who have seen the movie does not have much negative bias against Vegeta's role as the people who are guided by the summaries.

How the hell is letting a guy who could blow up your planet with a finger in his FIRST FORM transform into superior forms smart?! I know this is Dragon Ball and everyones a statue when this stuff happens, but he's so damn cocky even here that he thinks Freeza's strength, even in transformed level will be inferior to his just because he keeps repeating "IMA SUPER SAIYAN!" over and over.

And again, I don't care if everyone who's seen this movie calls it the best thing ever. I dislike this plot point, no amount of cool animation will change that, now does that mean I'll be as negative about the film as a whole after seeing it? Depends if I like the full package or not, I'll try to give it a fair shot, but again, if me not seeing this means my opinion on this development is invalid or lesser, then why do people who defend it and haven't seen it seemingly have the edge in these arguments?

Well Vegeta had been working along side Freeza for quite some time. I'm sure he studied his moves, motives and gathered as much information as he could about him before he decided to go against Freeza. After that all Vegeta could probably think about was surpassing Goku.

What moves? Freeza in his form form could literally murder everyone he'd face by that point minus Cold, Beerus and Whis. Besides, fighting technique means nothing by this point, raw power does and even if he did know, why the hell is he still so confident that his transformation won't make him significantly stronger? Even a marginal boost of 100 000 alone would've put Freeza well above Vegeta, certainly enough to kill him easily.

The animation is very important, animation and voices etc know why the characters act in one way or another, you know exactly how goes the battle. the overall impression of people who have seen the movie is not a Vegeta scared for Freezer, and that alone can know is watching the animation.

[ekrolo2]

The animation is very important, animation and voices etc know why the characters act in one way or another, you know exactly how goes the battle. the overall impression of people who have seen the movie is not a Vegeta scared for Freezer, and that alone can know is watching the animation.

Yes it is, animation is very important for an animated movie as is music and voice acting, but if the foundation its built on, the script & plot are turds, then I don't care how pretty it looks or how nice it sounds. A turd is a turd, and if the plot of this film is as bad as I think its going to be, I seriously doubt Goku's fabulous blue spiky hair transformation is gonna do much of a difference to fix things.

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"Countdown DB ~ Dragon Ball Z Resurrection 'F'" Exihbition
Fuji TV
April 14 (Tuesday) ~ 16 (Thursday)

Casting:
Masako Nozawa
Ryusei Nakao
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[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Yes it is, animation is very important for an animated movie as is music and voice acting, but if the foundation its built on, the script & plot are turds, then I don't care how pretty it looks or how nice it sounds. A turd is a turd, and if the plot of this film is as bad as I think its going to bes.

Sums up this movie. Its a turd by progressive standards.

[radrappy]

I have no idea what you guys are getting at but it's getting old. I wish I had filmed the movie illegally just to give you something more concrete to hate.

For what it's worth, the script (as in dialogue and character interactions) is one of the movie's highlights.

[Kendamu]

Yes it is, animation is very important for an animated movie as is music and voice acting, but if the foundation its built on, the script & plot are turds, then I don't care how pretty it looks or how nice it sounds. A turd is a turd, and if the plot of this film is as bad as I think its going to bes.

Sums up this movie. Its a turd by progressive standards.

I disagree. I had a ton of fun. I have a review video in my signature if you have time to spare, but if you don't: Just go in expecting to have some fun. You can over-analyze and ruin it for yourself on the Internet later. If you go in expecting a turd, you'll walk out smelling bad.

[Retan]

Boom!! Thank you Radrappy and Kendamu for throwing it right back in these guys faces. It was getting annoying listening to these guys who haven't even seen the movie complain.

[VegettoEX]

Moderation team is catching up.

Attacking other fans and being a toxic piece of garbage is absolutely ban-worthy. Bans block access to the entirety of the Kanzenshuu website.

Do you enjoy reading news updates? Referring back to guides? Translations? Listening to the podcast? Visiting the forum? Talking with other fans? Learning new things?

Re-evaluate what it is you're looking to accomplish in your time here.

[FortuneSSJ]

Original question for people that already watched it.
Judging by character sheets, I guess Marron appears in the movie?! Did she already grow up a little?!

[Kendamu]

She was just a really little kid as far as I remember. I kinda glossed over that aspect because Krillin and #18's interactions were really funny and engaging. Maybe someone else paid closer attention.

[Black_Liger]

I have a question for those who watched the movie.

does the score resemble

Bog

or Sumitomo Kai?.

Or neither?.

Also is there a version of Vow of Z in the Background music? I mean, like the cha la head cha la variations in BoG, and of course the theme variations of kikuchi?.

[Kendamu]

I've only watched a couple episodes of Buu Kai, but the BGM in this movie was more along the lines of BoG than, say, Yamamoto Kai, any of the games, or the series proper.

[Black_Liger]

I've only watched a couple episodes of Buu Kai, but the BGM in this movie was more along the lines of BoG than, say, Yamamoto Kai, any of the games, or the series proper.

Oh I see, thanks for answering

is there any part where the music stands out?. Do we get tracks as awesome as the ssjg ritual? any emotional tracks like the eternal universe?

[TheGmGoken]

Does Chi Chi appears? Or at least a mention...

[Kendamu]

I've only watched a couple episodes of Buu Kai, but the BGM in this movie was more along the lines of BoG than, say, Yamamoto Kai, any of the games, or the series proper.

Oh I see, thanks for answering

is there any part where the music stands out?. Do we get tracks as awesome as the ssjg ritual? any emotional tracks like the eternal universe?

I've always been a sucker for insert songs. So, the way they...

Spoiler:

...used that "F" song while Freeza pieces himself together and busted out of the regeneration chamber was a really cool piece for me. There was a dramatic piece during Goku vs Freeza that stick out a little, but not nearly as much as the insert song.

Chi Chi, as far as I remember, was not in this movie whatsoever. The cast was really minimalistic this time compared to the JSAT special or BoG.