"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[1345521]

As a fan of one piece since 99 i can't deny its a good series but i would not call the one piece manga that great art wise. Sometimes you can barely see whats happening. Yes the page looks great when its just one big picture but other than that its just ok. The paneling is also not that good tbh. DBS has a problem that Toyo never dedicates a page to a single moment, like Toriyama did especially with transformations. I wouldnt call the art bad cause it is as close to Toriyama as you can get. The paneling will probably never get as good as in dbz manga which has perhaps the best paneling of any action Manga ever but, Toriyama did say he likes Toyotaro's panelling and thats one of the reasons he was chosen for the Super manga.

Id like to see the u6 or something else being made in a spinoff manga. Dragongarowlee could ve the one doing it cause his Yamcha manga was pretty good. They did create the Dragon room so i would expect a spinoff manga to be announced sooner or later.

Not going to deny that some of Oda's layouts can be extremely busy, however, I think it still shines through for the most part. Despite condensing the manga, Oda's work for fights is usually pretty great, despite the aforementioned problem of being busy at points. Just compare his wealth of work from Katakuri vs Luffy in terms of layouts to any of the fights from the DBS manga. There is a world of difference in the level of impact between the two series'.

Dragongarowlee is great. Would love to have try him out for regular mangaka. I feel, unlike Toyo and Jiji, he easily the most original and dynamic of the bunch, especially when it comes to action scenes.

Lol, I had a hard time even making out WHAT THE heck is going on in those pictures. Which was a big reason why I never liked mangas in the first place because it's hard to make-out anything, unlike toyotaro which is more distinct with his images which makes things easy to follow, plus I LOVE his color-coding. I don't really have a problem with his panneling, it seems fine to me. Dbs manga art is better then any manga art i've seen.

[1345521]

Why would official promo for a tour that takes place in America be in Japanese?

That is exactly the point. If it is Shueisha/Toei Animation from Japan that did that wall and translated it, then all we need is something that confirms they are the responsible for it and its content displayed. Because as of now, that mural may be just another piece of material 100% American since it contains a statement about canonicity, which is an American trend.

It says Shueisha and Bird Studios on the poster. If Toriyama said, "the manga and the anime are canon," then people would say Toriyama's opinion doesn't count, because these arguments aren't based on logic, they are based on emotion.

I think what's going on is there are 3 differnt canons.
Movie canon (BoG, RoF and akira notes through-out the sagas in super)
Anime canon (TV show)
Manga canon

[emperior]

Of course it turned out that those panels were made by a Viz’s editor.
The Bird Studio/Shueisha mark was probably put there just for crediting, as they were using material straight out of the manga. The more pragmatic of us saw through it, especially because the word “canonical” was never used in Japanese material so it felt a bit odd to see it, especially now with the new movie in the making being a continuation of the anime as stated by Toriyama. How ironic that some of you will believe the word of a US only poster but won’t acknowledge what comes directly from the author of the serie. I guess you just want to believe that the manga is the main product, even though evidence points towards it being not.

Although I agree about how this debate over the movie being a direct continuation of the anime and using its own elements will only end on December, of if we get a confirmation of it either through a clearer statement, a trailer or some character designs. And even if the movie is set in “Toriyama’s own separate continuity, which includes the last two movies and his holy outlines - so no Kaioken or Blue Evolution” it will still be part of the anime Super, unless they retell it once again in a new show.

[1345521]

Of course it turned out that those panels were made by a Viz’s editor.
The Bird Studio/Shueisha mark was probably put there just for crediting, as they were using material straight out of the manga. The more pragmatic of us saw through it, especially because the word “canonical” was never used in Japanese material so it felt a bit odd to see it, especially now with the new movie in the making being a continuation of the anime as stated by Toriyama. How ironic that some of you will believe the word of a US only poster but won’t acknowledge what comes directly from the author of the serie. I guess you just want to believe that the manga is the main product, even though evidence points towards it being not.

Although I agree about how this debate over the movie being a direct continuation of the anime and using its own elements will only end on December, of if we get a confirmation of it either through a clearer statement, a trailer or some character designs. And even if the movie is set in “Toriyama’s own separate continuity, which includes the last two movies and his holy outlines - so no Kaioken or Blue Evolution” it will still be part of the anime Super, unless they retell it once again in a new show.

No it won't. Becuase in the movie continuity, ssj blue kaioken and evolution won't EXIST therefore making it diffenr then the anime TV show. Akira meant that the movie time placement will be AFTER the ToP. iT DOSEN't say the anime of ToP is main canon or what or what-not. Plus akira likes the manga of super much better then the TV show (for good reason might I add) hence why we have ssj god vegeta (toyotaro idea) while we may have abslutly no TOEI filler in the movie. Hopefully we have mssj blue in the movie.

[SSJgogeto]

No it won't. Becuase in the movie continuity, ssj blue kaioken and evolution won't EXIST

And you know that because...

[1345521]

No it won't. Becuase in the movie continuity, ssj blue kaioken and evolution won't EXIST

And you know that because...

He said it, not me.

[SSJgogeto]

When he said it?

[1345521]

When he said it?

And even if the movie is set in “Toriyama’s own separate continuity, which includes the last two movies and his holy outlines - so no Kaioken or Blue Evolution” it will still be part of the anime Super, - Him

[SSJgogeto]

And where's the source?

[emperior]

And where's the source?

He’s referring to my post. Which he misunderstood. The context was that some are speculating that the movie will take place in an indefinite continuity, which is neither the manga nor the anime but Toriyama’s personal continuity based on the scripts of his movies and the outlines. It doesn’t make much sense as they would just need to include Kaioken at the very least to solidify the movie as taking place in the anime’s continuity.

[1345521]

And where's the source?

He’s referring to my post. Which he misunderstood. The context was that some are speculating that the movie will take place in an indefinite continuity, which is neither the manga nor the anime but Toriyama’s personal continuity based on the scripts of his movies and the outlines. It doesn’t make much sense as they would just need to include Kaioken at the very least to solidify the movie as taking place in the anime’s continuity.

We will see if it happens (I HOPE NOT..Oh my goodnes..if no kaioken or Eovlution I WILL BE SO HAPPY!!!!!!! if we get mssj blue.... THAT WOULD SEAL IT! this woud me we are one day closer of having toei finally serve toyotaro mangas just like in Db and Z! YEEEESSSSSSS if that happens, dragon ball will ONCE AGAIN return to its 100% greatness and glory once held by the db manga, and db and Z anime.

[Marlowe89]

Nobody said that both Blue Kaioken and Blue Evolution are required to prove a shared continuity between the movie and anime, so that's already an obvious misrepresentation of what people are arguing.

Everything is speculation right now.

[Miracles]

What does this have to do with anything? Dragon Ball Super's movie was there because that was what was being advertised in the event, they had already revealed the release date for the movie for United States then there wouldn't be no reason not to advertise it. :eh:l

That wasn't the point. It was to show how ridiculous you are being asking to see if it's from Japan. Especially when those movie images are Japanese and you have the chief editor of V-jump Japan sanctioning this whole event along with the Shueisha stamp on those wall papers.

Like it or not, that wall paper is official shueisha and you need something official from Shuiesha debunking the statements since you don't buy it's legitimacy.

[alakazam^]

Like it or not, that wall paper is official and you need something official from Japan debunking the statements since you don't buy it's legitimacy.

"Vegito", "Kefla", "Vegerot" and "the hope of the Universe" are official and still nonsense, which was his point. Statements like that are usual for Westerners/Americans, not so much Japan. Besides, you're trying to push a certain agenda when those posters don't say the anime isn't a canonical sequel to the manga.

And that person is the same person that started blocking people on Twitter when they pointed out she made a translation mistake, so I wouldn't give much weight to what she says (if she was the one to type that, which it does seem so).

[Miracles]

This comes directly from Toriyama’s first message about the movie.

Which just re-emphasizes my earlier point about the movie being the next animated story in a series that was also airing on television. Again, nothing about canonicity. We argue over these concepts because of narrative differences, but I'm extremely doubtful that Toriyama of all people was thinking specifically about continuity when he wrote that blurb. He's primarily concerned with the story he alone wants to tell, which is fine.

You can continue to ignore the proof we have so far about the anime being the main product, and therefore the true canon, to follow what was written (and misinterpreted) on a poster at Comic-Con, which we don’t even know who wrote it and who approved it, just because it has Shueisha’s mark.

This is still such a bizarre attempt at shifting goalposts that I'm astounded people even bring it up, let alone apply it to their side of the argument, so let me explain how this works: Shueisha/Bird/Toei material is Shueisha/Bird/Toei material. That's it. It's not on the fans to prove which employees representing these companies were involved in putting it together, because that's an unreasonable demand that doesn't make a modicum of sense.

You had no problem linking to an unofficial news site to back up your argument, so don't suddenly change the rules of the game when the opposing side links to official stuff to back up theirs. The banner states that the manga is the sequel to Toriyama's story, and we know it's talking about the Super manga because it references its serialization in V Jump in the same paragraph while exclusively going over the manga's timeline of DB+DBS..

This is truth Marlowe89, well done.

[Miracles]

"Vegito", "Kefla", "Vegerot" and "the hope of the Universe" are official and still nonsense, which was his point. Statements like that are usual for Westerners/Americans, not so much Japan. Besides, you're trying to push a certain agenda when those posters don't say the anime isn't a canonical sequel to the manga.

Did I say the anime isn't canon? Nope,; Also your comparison doesn't add up, Something from Shuiesha stating Super manga being canonical to Toriyama's DB is not the same as the way names are spelled in America.

[alakazam^]

Did I say the anime isn't canon? Nope,; Also your comparison doesn't add up, Something from Shuiesha stating Super manga being canonical to Toriyama's DB is not the same as the way names are spelled in America.

No, but wasn't your point that the manga was now "confirmed" to be the main product? Because that's not said anywhere.

How doesn't it add up? They're official all the same.

[Miracles]

Did I say the anime isn't canon? Nope,; Also your comparison doesn't add up, Something from Shuiesha stating Super manga being canonical to Toriyama's DB is not the same as the way names are spelled in America.

No, but wasn't your point that the manga was now "confirmed" to be the main product? Because that's not said anywhere.

How doesn't it add up? They're official all the same.

All the names can be used as official but Shueisha ITSELF did some SEPARATING HERE as far as the DB story is concered. It just straight out says what continues Toriyama's DB. Naming the Super manga as the canonical sequel to Toriyama's original manga is what separates the manga from the anime. I'm saying there is no confirmation on where the anime is placed but the manga has solidified itself as the main product according to Shueisha/Bird studio.

[alakazam^]

All the names can be used as official but Shueisha ITSELF did some SEPARATING HERE as far as the DB story is concered. It just straight out says what continues Toriyama's DB. Naming the Super manga as the canonical sequel to Toriyama's original manga is what separates the manga from the anime. I'm saying there is no confirmation on where the anime is placed but the manga has solidified itself as the main product according to Shueisha/Bird studio.

You said the anime is canon but now you say you don't know where it stands?

Both the anime and manga are sequels to Toriyama's manga. Arguing otherwise means you actually don't know how the Tournament of Power will end, when it already has months ago.

[Grimlock]

That wasn't the point. It was to show how ridiculous you are being asking to see if it's from Japan.

How is that ridiculous? It is very well known that Americans tend to say what is and what is not canonical without any statement from Toei, Shueisha or Akira Toriyama backing it up. That statement from the wall could very well be another America-only statement, that is why I asked for a source.

And thank goodness I am the kind of person who asks for official confirmation, because it turned out I was correct, all that work was indeed made by an American as Ajay showed. Chris Sabat, IGN and now Viz editors; none of them have the power to dictate what is canonical and what is not related to a Japanese work, their statement in regards to canonicity means absolutely nothing at all.

Like it or not, that wall paper is official shueisha and you need something official from Shuiesha debunking the statements since you don't buy it's legitimacy.

Yes, it is just as official as calling Ultimate Gohan "Mystic Gohan" or calling Freeza race "frost demon" (another American things that only exists in English stuff). Anyways, I'll end this discussion here. There's no point going further, what I wanted to know was already provided.