Unpopular DB opinions

[Kid Buu]

1.) I think the first three arcs (Pilaf, 21st Budokai, Red Ribbon) are the golden era of the manga.

2.) I like GT, it has good concepts and production values. It could stand to lose a a bunch of episodes (a few in the 1st arc, maybe the entire Super 17 arc, and cut down the Ice/Fire/Omega Shenron battle).

3.) I like all episodic filler, but despite any filler that stretches out the canon material.

4.) I enjoy the entire series, but the Daimao arc is probably my least favorite. Shadow Dragons if we count GT.

5.) Bulma looks better with Blue Hair

6.) I like Kid Trunks more than Future Trunks

7.) Never really cared for Piccolo until the Buu Arc

8.) My favorite DBZ movies are 1, 2, and 11. Least favorite is 7.

[MediaFanGirl93]

Out of Goku's rivalries I enjoyed his one with Tenshinhan the most.

One thing I noticed about Goku/Vegeta is that they barely interact outside of their two fights until the Vegetto/Kid Buu stuff happens. I didn't notice this as a kid due to stuff like Movie 6.

Yeah, not to mention, Tenshinhan is a very interesting, underrated character. I found him to be one of the most useful characters, despite naysayers who think he's useless.

While I do love Goku and Vegeta's friendship, I find it to be the most overrated frendships, honestly, because I don't think they were close/close until the end of the whole Goku vs. Majin Vegeta fight.

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Here are a few more unpopular opinions I have:

#1. I think Yamcha and Chi-Chi have got to be the most over-hated characters in this fandom, I feel the hate they get is completely undeserved. With Yamcha, I do think fans ignore his good qualities and exaggerate how "weak" he is with the whole memes of him involving the Magikarp, and it's annoying how fans demonize him by making him look like a devil compared to characters like Vegeta.

With Chi-Chi, while it's completely understandable how fans may don't like her because of how the Funi dub portrays her by exaggerating her anger and making her out to be an awful bitch, I do think fans ignore her redeeming qualities and make her outright hateful in fanfics and make her look like a tyrant/abusive mother/person compared to other characters like Bulma and Vegeta, who have done far worse than what she did. Some fans even outright say that she doesn't deserve to be in the Son Family.

#2. I don't hate GT Pan at all. She's not my favorite female, but I don't think she's the worse and fans do exaggerate how "bad" she is, when really, all she does is act like an annoying younger sibling.

#3. I love calling Beers "Bills." I remember almost getting into an argument with someone on which name to call him even though "Beers" is the official, but I still like calling him "Bills" regardless. It's a personal nickname for me.

#4. I love Adult Gohan, despite him being "nerdy" and less concerned with fighting later in life. I mean, Gohan admitted that he wanted to be a scholar (anyone who doesn't believe me, I have proof that Toriyama said it). I mean, not every Saiyan has to be a fighter like Goku and Vegeta. Plus, Gohan actuall managed to be a decent father (not the best, but decent) and husband.

#1. I like both fighters, and wish they both got a proper fight in Z.

#2. I like Pan a lot TOO, especially her Japanese VA as its the same as Sailor Saturn!

#3. I've never called him anything to be honest O_O. I usually just refer to him as the villain from BoG

#4. I like Adult Gohan too, in fact I think everything from Saiyaman-Babidi was his best stuff.

Nice avatar, by the way.

#1 I never hated Yamcha. I mean, sure it's nice to make fun of characters sometimes (I even make fun of Yamcha and ChiChi), but the hate they get is ridiculous.

#2 Yeah, I'm not a fan of Pan's, but she does have a few redeeming qualities, like her love for her family.

#3 It doesn't really matter. I mean, it's not like he's a real person. I can call him Rumplestiltskin if I want to, but it's not worth arguing over lol.

#4 To be honest, I'm pretty iffy when it comes to Saiyaman, because it was awkward to watch him act like that. I loved his Babidi scenes.

Thanks. Botan is my favorite female Yu Yu Hakusho Character

[Kid Buu]

#1 I never hated Yamcha. I mean, sure it's nice to make fun of characters sometimes (I even make fun of Yamcha and ChiChi), but the hate they get is ridiculous.

#2 Yeah, I'm not a fan of Pan's, but she does have a few redeeming qualities, like her love for her family.

#3 It doesn't really matter. I mean, it's not like he's a real person. I can call him Rumplestiltskin if I want to, but it's not worth arguing over lol.

#4 To be honest, I'm pretty iffy when it comes to Saiyaman, because it was awkward to watch him act like that. I loved his Babidi scenes.

Thanks. Botan is my favorite female Yu Yu Hakusho Character

#1 Yamcha Vs Kami was a cool match, and I like both of his signature techniques. I also like Chichi, but it didn't feel like Toriyama knew what to do with these characters after the 23rd Budokai.

#2 I always liked the Goku-Trunks-Pan trio in GT, I think they had good chemistry with each other.

#3 Agreed

#4 My favorite design is the one on Babidis spaceship when he has the Saiyaman outfit without the helmet and glasses.

Yeah Botan is my fav too, I started to get bored when she got sidelined.

[TheGmGoken]

#1 I never hated Yamcha. I mean, sure it's nice to make fun of characters sometimes (I even make fun of Yamcha and ChiChi), but the hate they get is ridiculous.

#2 Yeah, I'm not a fan of Pan's, but she does have a few redeeming qualities, like her love for her family.

#3 It doesn't really matter. I mean, it's not like he's a real person. I can call him Rumplestiltskin if I want to, but it's not worth arguing over lol.

#4 To be honest, I'm pretty iffy when it comes to Saiyaman, because it was awkward to watch him act like that. I loved his Babidi scenes.

Thanks. Botan is my favorite female Yu Yu Hakusho Character

#1 Yamcha Vs Kami was a cool match, and I like both of his signature techniques. I also like Chichi, but it didn't feel like Toriyama knew what to do with these characters after the 23rd Budokai.

#2 I always liked the Goku-Trunks-Pan trio in GT, I think they had good chemistry with each other.

#3 Agreed

#4 My favorite design is the one on Babidis spaceship when he has the Saiyaman outfit without the helmet and glasses.

Yeah Botan is my fav too, I started to get bored when she got sidelined.

Yamcha vs Kami is one of the most UNDERRATED fights in DB history. Honestly it's better than Goku vs Jackie Chun and I loved the fight. Hell it's one of my favorite fights of the series hence why I made a tribute to you with it(Plus your gif was nice to practice mimicking). Goku-Pan-Trunks was ok. Would had prefer Goten but that's just me being a blind fanboy of Goten. Also one of your post say you didn't like Piccolo Sr arc. May I ask why?

[Kid Buu]

I don''t dislike the arc, I like every arc in DB/DBZ. I just find it my least favorite.

1.) Every fight until the final one is either one-sided or short, so they aren't as interesting as the ones in the arc before (22nd Budokai) or after (23rd Budokai)

2.) The final fight is good, but its mostly a rehash of the Tao stuff. Tao/Daimao beats up Goku, Goku goes to Korin tower and gets stronger, then comes back and wins.

3.) The arc feels dull because most of the cast is just inactive. Kuririn is dead, Yamcha is injured, Bulma/Launch dont get much to do here either. Jackie Chun/Chaotzu/Tenshinhan are pretty active in the beginning, but then Daimao just kills the first two and the latter easily gets his ass kicked by a generic henchman. We also get Yajirobe's debut here, but I just find it so odd that Yajirobe can match Goku (who only lost the World Martial Tournament due to luck) with no formal training and effortlessly kills a foe.

I like Piccolo Daimao as a villain, and I enjoy the villain design of his henchmen too. So its not a bad arc, just my least favorite.

[TheGmGoken]

Yajoribe had no training? I doubt that honestly. Now the QUALITY of his training maybe. Unless Yajoribe was suppose to be Krillin's long last brother(Having the same voice even in the manga ). Which is a joke in case you think I'm serious. To me it's my favorite arc and I often switch from Freeza to Piccolo Sr arc as my favorites as I don't see it as a re-has of Tao's stuff.

[Kid Buu]

Yeah the Freeza arc is one of my favorite matches too, a bit too much Goku-wank at the end though.

[RandomGuy96]

The worst part of the Freeza arc is that literally half of it is a pointless drawn-out fight with one character. This arc was also really the first and last example of Goku wank in the post-Raditz story.

[TheGmGoken]

Yeah the Freeza arc is one of my favorite matches too, a bit too much Goku-wank at the end though.

Really? I mean unless sure he got a HUGE ass zenkai. But ...yea it was Goku wank. I honestly don't see how Ginyu made Goku's body(From Vegeta kicking ass) become "near" death to the point that Goku had that huge zenkai. More like Plot hacks. Goku took worst beatings at the Tenkaichi Budokais.....

The worst part of the Freeza arc is that literally half of it is a pointless drawn-out fight with one character. This arc was also really the first and last example of Goku wank in the post-Raditz story.

Really? It thought it was 70% support villains fighting and 30% of Freeza fighting. With is still a large portion. Besides there was Goku wank dialog wise in the Cell Arc. But I'm sure you mean power wise. Even still Goku saved the day at the Cell Arc....and lastly unless you mean the manga(Which I'm 99% sure you do), GT is Goku wank.

[Kid Buu]

Its mostly the constant "Wait for Goku" scenes we get (Recoome/Freeza battle), which we already had in the Nappa battle. Hell, Recoome even looks like Nappa to an extent.

[RandomGuy96]

No, he didn't. He was part of the team effort that saved the day, and not a bigger part than Gohan.

This one was the only arc that played the Goku wank completely straight though. In the Vegeta, Ginyu, Android, Cell, and Buu fights, Goku can't triumph alone and needs other people to bail him out. He doesn't save the day alone, hell he's arguably not even the most important contributor in those instances (definitely not in the case of Ginyu or the androids). But here? Goku shows up way stronger than everyone else for no reason, starts fighting evenly with the villain's 4th form (which could completely roflstomp everyone else at 3% power), and after a long struggle, eventually gets even MORE ridiculously powerful and stomps the villain alone. Even the Ginyu arc wasn't this bad about the Goku wank; yes, Goku shows up and stomps the guys who were beating up everyone else. But only two of the Ginyus were actually beaten by him (Ginyu and Guldo were beaten by a combination of Gohan/Krillin/Vegeta, Jeice was beaten by Vegeta) and he had to rely on others to help. It wasn't JUST him.

Its mostly the constant "Wait for Goku" scenes we get (Recoome/Freeza battle), which we already had in the Nappa battle. Hell, Recoome even looks like Nappa to an extent.

They don't look alike, but they do have similar builds. Recoome seems way bigger than Nappa, though.

Let's look at his role in the post-Raditz arcs, shall we?

Raditz- about equal in contributions to Gohan and Piccolo, though arguably Piccolo edges him out due to it being his technique and his plan, and Goku nearly fucking the whole thing up.

Nappa- beats him easily alone

Vegeta- tries to fight him alone but is beaten, has to be saved by Gohan/Krillin/Yajirobe. An equal team effort is what finally brings Vegeta down.

Freeza's henchmen- isn't around to off any of them, leaving Vegeta to do most of it.

Ginyus- arrives after Guldo has already been defeated by Gohan/Krillin/Vegeta, defeats Recoome and Burter easily alone, but gets his body stolen by Ginyu and has to be saved by Gohan/Krillin/Vegeta. They're what beats Ginyu (Goku also helped, but Vegeta was more the star here). Jeice is offed by Vegeta.

Freeza- plays the "EVERYBODY WAIT FOR GOKU BECAUSE ONLY HE CAN DO SHIT" thing completely straight. Everyone gets toyed with by Freeza in his lower forms, until he transforms more and just roflstomps everyone at an extremely small percentage of his power. Barring a brief intervention by Piccolo- which is 95% just Piccolo getting beaten up- it's all Goku, all the time, and he's the one who finally defeats Freeza. The other fighters only exist to gape in awe at how great Goku is.

King Cold- he and the revived Freeza are dispatched easily by Trunks, not Goku, and Goku botching his attempt to kill Freeza would have had BAD consequences if not for his dumb luck.

Androids- Goku tries to fight 19, the WEAKEST android, and botches it as a result of underestimating the androids' capabilities. Gets beaten and has to be saved by Vegeta and Piccolo, who defeat 19 and 20 respectively. Everyone is useless against 17 and 18 except Kamiccolo. Then Cell shows up.

Cell- Goku tries to fight Cell, but admits that he's being toyed with and he knows he can't win, causing him to surrender to Cell. He says only Gohan can stop Cell. His role from there consists of being beaten up by a Cell Junior, dying to Cell, and giving Gohan a pep talk. Gohan is the one that defeats Cell.

Babidi- actually is counterproductive here, as he fucks the whole thing up and lets Buu get released. Gets knocked out by Majin Vegeta after failing to beat him and refusing to just use SS3 to one-shot him because he's a moron. Babidi and Dabra are both killed by Majin Buu himself (hey, he technically becomes a good guy later, I'm counting this).

Majin Buu- fucks up more. Doesn't kill fatso when he has the chance, becomes completely irrelevant when Super Buu shows up, has some limited success as Vegetto before he defuses and is screwed again, and tries to fight one of Buu's weakest forms only to lose badly. In the end, what takes down Buu is indeed Goku's technique... but only because Mister Buu is fighting Pure Buu and distracting him. Also, the plan is thought up by Vegeta and the majority of the energy is donated thanks to Gohan and Mr. Satan.

[Kid Buu]

Well Goku did have help in the Freeza battle (Piccolo/Gohan/Kuririn intervening during the Genki Dama), but it's probably not as notable as let's say....the Vegeta battle.

[TheGmGoken]

No, he didn't. He was part of the team effort that saved the day, and not a bigger part than Gohan.

This one was the only arc that played the Goku wank completely straight though.

Gohan: I CANT DO THIS!
Goku: YES YOU CAN!
Gohan: KAMEHAMEHA!
Goku: FULL POWER GOHAN!

*Vegeta*
Goku: NOW!
Gohan: AWHAHAHAH!

Basically how it went. Honestly I know Gohan was 9,10,11. But I think ti would had been better had Gohan tried to make up for his dad's death and beam struggle Cell on his own. But the how it played out was good. Goku "wank" in Freeza arc honestly made sense. Goku did become SSJ. I don't think that's wanking for Goku to become a SSJ and NOT needing help to defeat Freeza. I mean this is the LEGENDARY thing Vegeta was talking about. Also he didn't need help beating Butta or Rikum. It's possible that Goku large zenkai was because his body was responding from the HUGE power levels he was sensing. Besides at least in Freeza arc Goku isn't away from the battle for most of the time or is least in the same AREA.

[RandomGuy96]

The Super Saiyan legend sucks and is boring.

[TheGmGoken]

The Super Saiyan legend sucks and is boring.

I'm sorry that you don't like SSJ? I mean I prefer Black hair as well. But Goku becoming SSJ isn't wank. Though I honestly see no point of SSJ3.

[RandomGuy96]

I'm talking about the legend, not the form. I don't see why it being a legend somehow translates to "only Goku gets to do anything in this arc and this arc alone" (post-Raditz). His power-up is also total bullshit and doesn't make any sense; Vegeta and Gohan at least should be stronger than him.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm talking about the legend, not the form. I don't see why it being a legend somehow translates to "only Goku gets to do anything in this arc and this arc alone" (post-Raditz). His power-up is also total bullshit and doesn't make any sense; Vegeta and Gohan at least should be stronger than him.

As I said. Goku body could had easily reacted to the large power levels around him. Getting his body excited(Whatever turns you on big guy) and wanting to compete. So there's that. But that's just a fan theory. Besides Goku wasn't the only one who did things in the arc. Last time I check Vegeta saved Goku. Piccolo, Gohan, and Krillin saved Goku.

[RandomGuy96]

I'm talking about the legend, not the form. I don't see why it being a legend somehow translates to "only Goku gets to do anything in this arc and this arc alone" (post-Raditz). His power-up is also total bullshit and doesn't make any sense; Vegeta and Gohan at least should be stronger than him.

As I said. Goku body could had easily reacted to the large power levels around him. Getting his body excited(Whatever turns you on big guy) and wanting to compete. So there's that. But that's just a fan theory. Besides Goku wasn't the only one who did things in the arc. Last time I check Vegeta saved Goku. Piccolo, Gohan, and Krillin saved Goku.

What? That doesn't make any sense, zenkais are never implied to be able to do something like that.

I'm talking about the Freeza arc. I divide the Freeza Saga into three arcs: Namek, Ginyu, Freeza.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm talking about the legend, not the form. I don't see why it being a legend somehow translates to "only Goku gets to do anything in this arc and this arc alone" (post-Raditz). His power-up is also total bullshit and doesn't make any sense; Vegeta and Gohan at least should be stronger than him.

As I said. Goku body could had easily reacted to the large power levels around him. Getting his body excited(Whatever turns you on big guy) and wanting to compete. So there's that. But that's just a fan theory. Besides Goku wasn't the only one who did things in the arc. Last time I check Vegeta saved Goku. Piccolo, Gohan, and Krillin saved Goku.

What? That doesn't make any sense, zenkais are never implied to be able to do something like that.

I'm talking about the Freeza arc. I divide the Freeza Saga into three arcs: Namek, Ginyu, Freeza.

Well we never seen a Zenkai happen unless it was instant. I used this for awhile now and it worked perfectly. Vegeta's zenkai was competing with Zarbon which is why he got stronger and then Vegeta's zenkai competed with Goku. Works pretty good for me. Once again it's a fan-theory. Don't take it like I'm passing it on as fact. Why don't you just call the whole arc Freeza or Namek arc. Makes more sense IMO.

Another popular opinion. I label the ENTIRE arcs/ story by one name not a series.
Saiyan Arc
Namek/Freeza Arc
Cyborg Arc
Cell Arc
Boo Arc.

[superhuman3]

I know for a fact this one is unpopular, but I truly do love the Funimation dub. I understand it's inaccurate often and yes, has plenty of awkward moments. Perhaps it's nostalgia talking.