The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[MaxZ]

Android 17 VS Piccolo, if their fight in the Cell Arc was allowed to continue (assume no interruption by 18, 16, or Cell)

Android 17 wins. Piccolo was already losing in their fight until Cell interrupted.

it seemed to be so, but could he have been holding back? it almost seemed he was trying to save energy for the other androids.

when Piccolo uses his Light Grenade on Cell, 17 nopes the hell out of there real fast, and the attack wasn't even pointed at him. was Piccolo saving it to deliver the final blow on 17?

[Khin]

it seemed to be so, but could he have been holding back? it almost seemed he was trying to save energy for the other androids.

when Piccolo uses his Light Grenade on Cell, 17 nopes the hell out of there real fast, and the attack wasn't even pointed at him. was Piccolo saving it to deliver the final blow on 17?

He's definitely not holding back , because there's no point. If he is strong enough to defeat #17 easily, he wouldn't waste his energy by suppressing his power and he would just kill #17 as fast as he can. Because there is still two Androids.

Piccolo was definitely saving the Light Grenade as a last resort, but considering a beat-up #17 was able to dodge it, i'm pretty sure if Piccolo will use it their fight. It would have the same effect.

[MaxZ]

it seemed to be so, but could he have been holding back? it almost seemed he was trying to save energy for the other androids.

when Piccolo uses his Light Grenade on Cell, 17 nopes the hell out of there real fast, and the attack wasn't even pointed at him. was Piccolo saving it to deliver the final blow on 17?

He's definitely not holding back , because there's no point. If he is strong enough to defeat #17 easily, he wouldn't waste his energy by suppressing his power and he would just kill #17 as fast as he can. Because there is still two Androids.

Piccolo was definitely saving the Light Grenade as a last resort, but considering a beat-up #17 was able to dodge it, i'm pretty sure if Piccolo will use it their fight. It would have the same effect.

17 dodged it because it wasn't pointed at him, given how large the attack was and how 17 barely avoided it despite being no where near the target, I don't think he'd be able to dodge it.

[dbgtFO]

To further Khin's point, Piccolo even thinks to himself, before the battle begins, that just destroying #17 is enough to thwart Cell's plans, so holding back with that mindset is obviously contradictory.

[Khin]

17 dodged it because it wasn't pointed at him, given how large the attack was and how 17 barely avoided it despite being no where near the target, I don't think he'd be able to dodge it.

He wasn't nowhere near, he's just a few meters behind where Cell is. So it doesn't matter if it was pointed at him or not, because he's around at the center of the attack. And he still dodged it even though he was beaten up and just got back from the ground. He'll either just dodge it or will use his barrier thingy if Piccolo were to use it on him.

To further Khin's point, Piccolo even thinks to himself, before the battle begins, that just destroying #17 is enough to thwart Cell's plans, so holding back with that mindset is obviously contradictory.

Yeah. Piccolo intended to destroy #17 so Cell wouldn't reach his perfect form. He could just use his full power and kill #17 as fast as he can if he's stronger than him.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

To further Khin's point, Piccolo even thinks to himself, before the battle begins, that just destroying #17 is enough to thwart Cell's plans, so holding back with that mindset is obviously contradictory.

True, but they also felt if he just gets one they're fucked. DBZ just contradicts itself.
IMO- 18>Piccolo>17>16>imp cell

cell lost to 16, 16 was scanned weaker then 17, 17 lost to cell when he and piccolo were damaged, and 18 was confident after seeing 17 gets tossed around that she could do it easily, and unlike 17 she isn't a egotist. She says she's stronger when she is, not to feed her ego.

[LightBing]

Zamasu vs. Magetta

No insulting is allow. Who wins?

10%/90% - I have Zamasu as the stronger of the two, Magetta is however a super-tank. I could see him withstand force much stronger than himself. Thinking about the manga, Magetta did nothing at all to SSJ Vegeta. Vegeta was turning to outside-the-box tactics.
I give a small chance to Zamasu since he might pull off a strategy or have an unseen technique. Otherwise brute force of his level(SSJ2) wouldn't work.

Android 17 VS Piccolo, if their fight in the Cell Arc was allowed to continue (assume no interruption by 18, 16, or Cell)

80%/20% - At this point the surprise factor has been lost and Piccolo has tired himself quite a bit. #17 main weakness, his cockiness, can't be used against him. He's fully aware Piccolo can kill him. While the light grenade might do the job, it's very unlikely it would hit. Altought I still give a 20% chance the Namekian pulls it off.
Eventually Piccolo would get weaker and weaker while #17 would still be fresh.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) Base Form Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Super Vegeta (Cell Saga).

2) Base Form Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Majin Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2).

3) Base Form Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).

4) GT Vegeta (Base Form) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Namek Saga).

[Khin]

1) Base Form Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Super Vegeta (Cell Saga).

2) Base Form Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Majin Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2).

3) Base Form Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).

4) GT Vegeta (Base Form) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Namek Saga).

• See my below. Vegetto should be stronger than Gogeta, so he'll kick ''Super'' Vegeta's ass.
• I'm with the notion that Post RoSaT Base Gotenks is superior to his Pre RoSaT self, and that Pre is superior to Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Base Gogeta should be logically stronger than them, so he'll have beat Vegeta to a pulp with no effort.
• This is an absolute stomp in Kid Gohan's favor. Gohan was already stronger than Saiyan Arc Vegeta back when he faced Ginyu-Goku in the Freeza Arc.
• No idea about GT, but its common sense to think that even Android Arc Vegeta is already way stronger than he was on Namek, let alone GT Vegeta.

[Anime Kitten]

1) Base Form Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Super Vegeta (Cell Saga).

2) Base Form Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Majin Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2).

3) Base Form Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).

4) GT Vegeta (Base Form) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Namek Saga).

1. Vegito is the combined force of Goku and Vegeta from later in the series. He crushes Vegeta easily.
2. Again, combined force of them both. Despite Vegeta being Majin AND SSJ2, I think Gogeta would still beat him, even in skill.
3. Gohan trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for a year's time. And this is Vegeta from the very beginning of Z. Gohan beats him quite easily.
4. I presume Vegeta never stopped his training, so he has most likely improved since the Majin Saga, so definitely since the Namek Saga. He also wins quite easily.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) Super Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Baby Vegeta (Super Saiyan).

2) Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (Shadow Dragon Saga) vs. Black-Masked Saiyan (Time Breaker Vegeta).

3) Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Great Ape Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).

4) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).

[Anime Kitten]

1) Super Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Baby Vegeta (Super Saiyan).

2) Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (Shadow Dragon Saga) vs. Black-Masked Saiyan (Time Breaker Vegeta).

3) Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Great Ape Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).

4) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).

1. I don't think Vegeta has improved enough to beat himself and Goku. I'd say Vegito, especially Super Saiyan Vegito, is much stronger.
2. Pass. I'm not sure how powerful Black-Masked Saiyan is, since I haven't played Heroes (no western release ).
3. Gohan wins by far. If Perfect Cell couldn't fare against Super Saiyan 2, then the initial Vegeta with a 10x power boost couldn't stand up for his life.
4. Again, GT Vegeta for the same reasons as before.

[Steven Bloodriver]

5) Mira (Base Form) vs. Cell (Super Perfect Form).

6) Super Buu (Base Form) vs. Janemba (Final Form).

7) Frieza (Ultimate Evolution: Golden Form) vs. Goku Black (Base Form).

[Anime Kitten]

5) Mira (Base Form) vs. Cell (Super Perfect Form).

6) Super Buu (Base Form) vs. Janemba (Final Form).

7) Frieza (Ultimate Evolution: Golden Form) vs. Goku Black (Base Form).

5. If Mira could stand up to a Super Saiyan 3-tier Future Warrior, then I think he beats Super Perfect Cell (who was SSJ2-tier) with just a little difficulty.
6. Pass. I don't know where Super Buu ranks in regard to Super Saiyan 3.
7. Black Goku; I'd say his last-seen base being on SSJ2-tier puts him at quite an advantage over Frieza. That, and he might be better skilled?

[Khin]

5) Mira (Base Form) vs. Cell (Super Perfect Form).

6) Super Buu (Base Form) vs. Janemba (Final Form).

7) Frieza (Ultimate Evolution: Golden Form) vs. Goku Black (Base Form).

• Mira was confident on taking Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Innocent Boo at the same time. That tells me that he's way stronger than both of them. So he'll OHKO Cell like what Paikuhan did.
• I'm gonna use two logic here.
  • Toei logic: Toei website states that Janemba is stronger than Hirudegan, the same Hirudegarn who stomped Ultimate Gohan and Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. So unless Evil Boo can somehow absorb or turn him into candy, he loses horribly.
  • Manga Logic: Evil Boo wins. Janemba isn't that much stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku as evidenced by their fight. Evil Boo on the other hand was implied to be way stronger than the former.

• Golden Freeza is stronger than RoF Arc Super Saiyan Blue Goku. Whereas Black, as far as we know is more or less on par with Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Trunks Arc). I don't think Goku became several times stronger since RoF, so Freeza turns Black into space dust.

7. Black Goku; I'd say his last-seen base being on SSJ2-tier puts him at quite an advantage over Frieza. That, and he might be better skilled?

Wait what ? How can Golden Freeza be below Super Saiyan 2 tier ?

[Steven Bloodriver]

Thanks for answering all of them so quickly, you two! Now how about something a little different this time around?

First Scenario) You are Xeno Goku and are about to confront Goku Black just when he first arrived on Earth in the original future of Dragon Ball Z, would you go on your own or have your favorite character go with you?

Second Scenario) You are being chased by Ozotto in the real world and are then saved by a none other than Future Gohan, would you run from the fight or join the son of Goku against the Majin?

[Anime Kitten]

Wait what ? How can Golden Freeza be below than Super Saiyan 2 tier ?

Sorry, I forgot to factor in the Ultimate Evolution form. Yeah, I'd go with Frieza, but Final Form Frieza from F would lose.

First Scenario) You are Xeno Goku and are about to confront Goku Black just when he first arrived on Earth in the original future of Dragon Ball Z, would you go on your own or have your favorite character go with you?

Second Scenario) You are being chased by Ozotto in the real world and are then saved by a none other than Future Gohan, would you run from the fight or join the son of Goku against the Majin?

1. Being Goku, I'd go alone. I don't need the extra help and I'd rather everyone stay safe.
2. Join the fight if I wasn't weakened. I'd be known as a coward otherwise.

[DanielSSJ]

Android 17 VS Piccolo, if their fight in the Cell Arc was allowed to continue (assume no interruption by 18, 16, or Cell)

- Piccolo was at a disadvantage due to the android's infinite energy, but he could possibly win if he charged all of his power in a single attack, like Goku was planning to do against Pure Boo. 17 wins six times out of ten.

1) Base Form Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Super Vegeta (Cell Saga).

2) Base Form Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Majin Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2).

3) Base Form Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).

4) GT Vegeta (Base Form) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Namek Saga).

- Working backwards from how Super Vegetto should be at least a few times stronger than Gohan-Boo, his base form should be somewhere in between the Super Saiyan 2 tier and Fat Boo. Supet Vegeta doesn't stand a chance.

- I happen to have base Gogeta on the same level as Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta, so Majin Vegeta shouldn't have any troubles against his fused counterpart.

- What kind of question is this? Are you actually comparing Vegeta from his first appearance, with dinky a power level of 18,000 to Cell arc Gohan?! Gohan does to Vegeta what Vegeta did to that Saibaiman.

- You've lost me with these last two battles. Why would GT Vegeta, who likely has the same GT hax that Goku does, and is likely comparable to Majin Boo in his base form, be challenged by his past self?

1) Super Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Baby Vegeta (Super Saiyan).

2) Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (Shadow Dragon Saga) vs. Black-Masked Saiyan (Time Breaker Vegeta).

3) Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Great Ape Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).

4) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).

- Goku says that Baby has the greatest Ki he has ever felt, but those statements are rarely self-including. The GT databook also says that Vegetto is possibly stronger than a Super Saiyan 4. Meh, I'll go with Vegetto because he's cooler.

- Pass.

- Okay, I can't tell if you seroiusly think these are close matchups, or if you're just messing with us. I'm honestly just baffled. There's no way that SS2 Gohan is losing to anybody from the Saiyan or Freeza arcs. Hell you could sick Ozaru Vegeta on the broken-armed version of base Gohan, and Gohan woukd still win by a land slide.

- Same as above. There's no concevable way that GT Vegeta would lose to his past self. Unless you think that Vegeta got 100x weaker with age, which I can guarantee you has not happened.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) Android 16 vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).

2) A hypothetical Videl (if she had met and was trained by Piccolo for the 7 years following the Cell Games) vs. Majin Spopovitch.

3) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Buu (Fourth Form Frieza Absorbed).

4) Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Fusion Reborn) vs. Hakaishin Beerus (when the Elder Kai was sealed within the Z Sword).

5) Adult Gohan (Base Form) vs. Nappa.

6) Super Saiyan Future Gohan (Before he received his scars) vs. Majin Ozotto.

7) Cell (Perfect Form) vs. King Cold (in a hypothetical Fifth Form).

[Khin]

1) Android 16 vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).

2) A hypothetical Videl (if she had met and was trained by Piccolo for the 7 years following the Cell Games) vs. Majin Spopovitch.

3) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Buu (Fourth Form Frieza Absorbed).

4) Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Fusion Reborn) vs. Hakaishin Beerus (when the Elder Kai was sealed within the Z Sword).

5) Adult Gohan (Base Form) vs. Nappa.

6) Super Saiyan Future Gohan (Before he received his scars) vs. Majin Ozotto.

7) Cell (Perfect Form) vs. King Cold (in a hypothetical Fifth Form).

• Vegeta got destroyed by Android #18, who is weaker than Android #16. Vegeta has no chance of winning at all.
• Pretty sure 7 years is more than enough for Videl to reach at least the 21st Budokai levels. She wins.
• No idea about GT.
• The whole line about Elder Kaioshin explaining how he got sealed in the Z-Sword is incredibly vague. So there really is no way of knowing how strong Beerus was at that time.

  Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P6.5, P7.2, P8.2-3
  Elder Kaioshin: “That’s ri~~~ight. Lo~~~ong, lo~~~ong ago, there was this ridiculously strong and ba~~~ad dude. Well, not as much as this Majin Boo guy now, but still~~~. He did it, he se~~~ealed me away inside that sword. Me here. He was freaked out by how fearsome I am. Yep, sure wa~~~as.”

• Kid Gohan, back when he received Great Elder's power-up already had a power level surpassing 10 thousand. Nappa is below 8,000. So Adult Gohan kills Nappa with a flick.
• Who the heck is Ozotto ? Sorry i don't read fan-fictions.
• King Cold, whatever form he might be should still stay inferior to Freeza on Namek. Or else Freeza bragging how he's the strongest dude in the universe with Cold agreeing wouldn't make any sense. Cell wins in an embarrassing stomp.