"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[vashter]

black is NOT present zamasu.... black came from another time line

Do we know that, though? He could be any kind of Zamasu, really.

There is 3 zamasu... 1 is killed by beerus, black def came from another time line HE HAS TO BE.

[Anime Kitten]

There is 3 zamasu... 1 is killed by beerus, black def came from another time line HE HAS TO BE.

That's what I'm guessing too, but we can't be sure about anything. There's still quite a load of mystery that this arc is holding (granted, it has a chance of being answered in the next two or three episodes).

[vashter]

There is 3 zamasu... 1 is killed by beerus, black def came from another time line HE HAS TO BE.

That's what I'm guessing too, but we can't be sure about anything. There's still quite a load of mystery that this arc is holding (granted, it has a chance of being answered in the next two or three episodes).

http://www.abload.de/img/07-034i6qqd.jpg

Look at this, there 5 time line that one said 4 for some reason... Gowasu brought up something about unseen timeline

Goku is DEAD in 2 timeline (Trunks, Cell) which leave 2 others he alive? and 5th one is unseen timeline

[Noah]

Did Toei denied in their Twitter?

[Anime Kitten]

http://www.abload.de/img/07-034i6qqd.jpg
Look at this, there 5 time line that one said 4 for some reason... Gowasu brought up something about unseen timeline

I know about the four timelines. Very well, actually. However, I fail to see how five timelines (the 5th was probably created recently) confirm that Black is not Present Zamasu. It's unlikely, sure, but not completely impossible.

[Cipher]

Sorry. I am so fucking confused about everyone trafficking this "fifth" timeline in the last day or two. Is this just people going back to Gowasu's quote about the recent time ring? Why did this interpretation blow up all of a sudden when most people (I still think correctly) previously assumed from context that he was referring to the Trunks-Cell incident wholesale?

[Chuquita]

The weird part to me is that if they're both Zamasu, then why would the one in Gokû's body turn down wishing for immortality?

[vashter]

The weird part to me is that if they're both Zamasu, then why would the one in Gokû's body turn down wishing for immortality?

A. Beerus kill zamasu in present timeline B. Future Zamasu in trunk time line C. Black = Zamasu as in mind + body IN GOKU body while GOKU body + mind in zamasu in a different time line. that what I'm seeing

[Anime Kitten]

The weird part to me is that if they're both Zamasu, then why would the one in Gokû's body turn down wishing for immortality?

Excellent observation. I'd wait it out until Saturday, as I'm certain it will be addressed sooner or later.

[Noah]

Zamasu knew how to use the Time Ring, Gowasu taught him in their time trip, but we knew before that Goku Black didn't know jack about how the Time Ring works, how they can be the same?

[vashter]

Zamasu knew how to use the Time Ring, Gowasu taught him in their time trip, but we knew before that Goku Black didn't know jack about how the Time Ring works, how they can be the same?

Probably a different timeline maybe.

[Chuquita]

Maybe the events in the anime that led Gowasu to teach Zamasu about the time rings didn't happen in Gokû Black's timeline?

The manga differing on how Zamasu learns about the rings is confusing.

[ArchedThunder]

There is 3 zamasu... 1 is killed by beerus, black def came from another time line HE HAS TO BE.

Present Zamasu's spirit may have survived or something.

[FortuneSSJ]

but we knew before that Goku Black didn't know jack about how the Time Ring works, how they can be the same?

Black was just surprised that FT Trunks time travelled and the Time Ring activated there. He didn't know that was a Time Machine.
The manga made it obvious he knows how to use the Time Ring.

[ArchedThunder]

Zamasu knew how to use the Time Ring, Gowasu taught him in their time trip, but we knew before that Goku Black didn't know jack about how the Time Ring works, how they can be the same?

What makes you think he didn't know how it worked?

[vashter]

I'm starting to picture this

History 1: Present where all Goku and gang are.. cell came in time line and died, kill buu, zamasu who probably made a wish then died by beeerus.. until saturday.

History 2: Trunks Timeline.. everyone is wipe Trunks goes back in 1#.. warn them and clean it up goes back in his future and kill android + cell at ease (Goku is dead)

Histroy 3: Cell timeline... everyone is wipe including trunks cell came to 1#.. (Goku is dead)

History 4: I have NO idea what happened in 4#

History 5: Unseen timeline... Zamasu make a wish to get goku body transfer his mind and body into goku body... while goku body and mind is in zamasu and then black escape to Trunk timeline, LEARN the fact trunk can time travel to 1#..

I hope this clear and it really fack up.

[Cipher]

Can I ask again why so many people are on board for this random fifth timeline as of the last day or two?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Can I ask again why so many people are on board for this random fifth timeline as of the last day or two?

I'm not sure where my theories lie right now, but honestly, I rather currently-unknown-Zamasu/Black-shenanigans have somehow created a new ring in the recent past than for there to only have been one ring created during Trunks' escapades a while back. There are a few ways to make that work out, but I don't know if I give Super's writers enough credit for those to be the actual explanations...

Thus, I started considering the possibility when we learned present Zamasu would be killed by Beerus and that Goku Black is from another timeline than Trunks' (in the manga, which admittedly may not carry over into the anime. We'll see).

[Cipher]

I'm not sure where my theories lie right now, but honestly, I rather currently-unknown-Zamasu/Black-shenanigans have somehow created a new ring in the recent past than for there to only have been one ring created during Trunks' escapades a while back. There are a few ways to make that work out, but I don't know if I give Super's writers enough credit for those to be the actual explanations...

Thus, I started considering the possibility when we learned present Zamasu would be killed by Beerus and that Goku Black is from another timeline than Trunks' (in the manga, which admittedly may not carry over into the anime. We'll see).

Fair enough, I suppose. I just suspected the anime was simplifying the Trunks-Cell events (rather than having them generate four time rings), and there are plausible in-universe explanations for each new splinter timeline only ending up with one new green ring. The timing of that scene still leads me to believe Gowasu's "idiot" is Trunks, but I guess it could wind up being a misdirection and actually relate to Black somehow.

[KidGokuDB]

@ the spoilers.

[spoiler]So Future Zamasu not only wants to team with someone who looks like Goku, but someone who is (another) him that took Goku's body? Okay. I mean thinking back to previous episodes it sounds silly to say Zamasu stops himself (Black) to take out Goku himself.[/spoiler]