"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[BlueBasilisk]

If there's any editorial pressure, it's clearly not affecting Toyotaro's ability to write a story that takes its time establishing plot points that matter for relevant characters.

Hopefully not. I disagree with a lot of his narrative choices but I want him to be able to tell his story the way he wants to tell it.

[emperior]

I wonder if Toyotaro's under editorial pressure to wrap things up by December in order to cross-promote the movie stuff?

I talked about this in another thread, and I'm certain he got a few whispers in the ear from some of the heads at Shueisha to wrap up the Tournament Of Power before December.

Of course. They will try to promote Toriyama’s movie as much as possible and the manga will be a useful tool to hype the new movie up for VJump readers. If Toyotaro can make the first chapter very intriguing, some people will surely want to watch the full story immediately at the cinema.

[1345521]

I wonder if Toyotaro's under editorial pressure to wrap things up by December in order to cross-promote the movie stuff?

I talked about this in another thread, and I'm certain he got a few whispers in the ear from some of the heads at Shueisha to wrap up the Tournament Of Power before December.

Of course. They will try to promote Toriyama’s movie as much as possible and the manga will be a useful tool to hype the new movie up for VJump readers. If Toyotaro can make the first chapter very intriguing, some people will surely want to watch the full story immediately at the cinema.

That's really an concern you two (go figure...) brought up. Will toyotaro do an fully fleshed out arc on this broly movie, or will it just be promo for the movie? Because I feel people are getting excited for this broly arc in the manga and just see it's mere promo. But I doubt that, those days of Toyo producing only mini chapters a month for like the BoG arc and early parts of universe 6 arc are long gone I think. I think Toyo is going to create a fleshed out arc for this broly movie.

[emperior]

I talked about this in another thread, and I'm certain he got a few whispers in the ear from some of the heads at Shueisha to wrap up the Tournament Of Power before December.

Of course. They will try to promote Toriyama’s movie as much as possible and the manga will be a useful tool to hype the new movie up for VJump readers. If Toyotaro can make the first chapter very intriguing, some people will surely want to watch the full story immediately at the cinema.

That's really an concern you two (go figure...) brought up. Will toyotaro do an fully fleshed out arc on this broly movie, or will it just be promo for the movie? Because I feel people are getting excited for this broly arc in the manga and just see it's mere promo. But I doubt that, those days of Toyo producing only mini chapters a month for like the BoG arc and early parts of universe 6 arc are long gone I think. I think Toyo is going to create a fleshed out arc for this broly movie.

He will be fleshing out. Actually I expect him to really flesh it out a lot because he will have a lot of time before animated Super comes back, and I guess they won’t want him to get too much ahead of an eventual upcoming anime.
Of course animated Super may actually come back in April, and that could change things, but if it comes back on July (it must come back at the beginning of a cour, that’s how it works in Japan) then Toyotaro will be able to take more time to flesh out Broly’s arc. They could always rush him to the following arc to promote Super’s return to TV but that will only be a problem if Super returns on April.

There’s also the possibility Toriyama will continue his story with movie only, at which point it will be difficult to predict what will happen. There’s no way they would let Toyotaro go ahead of a Toriyama written movie.
In that case, maybe Toyotaro could take his time to write the manga version of the movie, which would result in a very good product as he would be able to polish it up even more than his best FT arc chapters, or he could also plan it so that a new chapter comes out every month until the following movie hits theatres. Which means every movie would be about 11-12 chapters long, like his FT arc.

But if Toriyama continues with movies it could also result in different scenarios. Toei, for example, might actually bring Heroes or a new DB serie as a weekly show. And in that case maybe Toyotaro would make the manga of said Heroes/whatever new name serie. But I think he would stay on Super.

[1345521]

Of course. They will try to promote Toriyama’s movie as much as possible and the manga will be a useful tool to hype the new movie up for VJump readers. If Toyotaro can make the first chapter very intriguing, some people will surely want to watch the full story immediately at the cinema.

That's really an concern you two (go figure...) brought up. Will toyotaro do an fully fleshed out arc on this broly movie, or will it just be promo for the movie? Because I feel people are getting excited for this broly arc in the manga and just see it's mere promo. But I doubt that, those days of Toyo producing only mini chapters a month for like the BoG arc and early parts of universe 6 arc are long gone I think. I think Toyo is going to create a fleshed out arc for this broly movie.

He will be fleshing out. Actually I expect him to really flesh it out a lot because he will have a lot of time before animated Super comes back, and I guess they won’t want him to get too much ahead of an eventual upcoming anime.
Of course animated Super may actually come back in April, and that could change things, but if it comes back on July (it must come back at the beginning of a cour, that’s how it works in Japan) then Toyotaro will be able to take more time to flesh out Broly’s arc. They could always rush him to the following arc to promote Super’s return to TV but that will only be a problem if Super returns on April.

There’s also the possibility Toriyama will continue his story with movie only, at which point it will be difficult to predict what will happen. There’s no way they would let Toyotaro go ahead of a Toriyama written movie.
In that case, maybe Toyotaro could take his time to write the manga version of the movie, which would result in a very good product as he would be able to polish it up even more than his best FT arc chapters, or he could also plan it so that a new chapter comes out every month until the following movie hits theatres. Which means every movie would be about 11-12 chapters long, like his FT arc.

But if Toriyama continues with movies it could also result in different scenarios. Toei, for example, might actually bring Heroes or a new DB serie as a weekly show. And in that case maybe Toyotaro would make the manga of said Heroes/whatever new name serie. But I think he would stay on Super.

Oh my goodness....
First of all, toyotaro isn't going to Promote JACK SQAUT for an anime tv show (The film? Yeah because that's the work of not only toei-but shueisha and akira as well so toyotaro needs to support that if they ask him too). Whenever the anime tv show comes (IF IT DOES...), won't have ANY BEARING on toyotaro what's soever. Like at all. He's only bounded by the big whigs at shueisha (who aren't toei) and what akira wish (who DEFINTLY isn't toei). So if akira and shueisha don't get anything really planned that toyotaro needs to do, he's free to go at his own pace wether the anime comes back or not.

Toriyama continues his stories with movie only? EH.... Idk. I doubt it, toei will want to make an anime tv show and I don't really think akira has any right to stop them.. especially if there is new content. Plus an annually movie will kinda hurt an franchise, tv shows are better. and I think akira knows this. so a movie/manga future isn't likely.
A new db show is more then likely going to have to be official continuation of the dragon ball story, so I don't think toei is going to only come back with an heroes anime. and even if they do, Toyotaro won't stop his super manga to follow toei. Again, please with such comments. I don't know if you're doing it passive agressivly, you keep treating toyotaro as if he's this servant and underling to TOEI (not suehsia of WHOM HE WORKS FOR...or not akira as his protégée but a servent to toei). That's not how their dynamic works..AT ALL.... The pikkon dude literally gave examples upon exmaples of how the TV show and the manga ARE INDEPEDENT. BOTH GETTING their soruces from akira, not of each other (hopefully that changes SOON though... for the mangas benefit of course). Toyotaro isn't lesser then an toei tv show, it's been show many times. Stop purputrating that they are and ingoring evidence.. espcailly when you say things like "if toei goes this way, toyotaro will follow. Toyotaro is going to have to drop what he's doing to anoint toei).

Manga of super = TV show anime of super. The difference is, one is more popular because of what it is, while the other is liked way more by series creator. Simple.

And I really REALLY toei comes back an adapts toyotaro manga. Make a TOTAL reboot of super to follow his manga,
SHUEISHA WOULD'T MIND probably
AKIRA defintinly wouldn't mind
Toyotaro would be Excitied
And toei.....idk. Toei made kai, so a reboot of dbs (albeit much more difficult then kai) is possible and if really pushed by akira for the sake of coitnutiy unity of manga and anime....I don't think it'd hurt their stock if they did. Let the manga go ahead-far ahead-.

[Noah]

Vados: Kefla is the strongest fighter
Fans: Kefla's like SS2 Tier

Well, if she is indeed SSJ2-tier, then 17 should battle her instead, Gohan wouldn't risk himself being DQ due murder.

[batistabus]

To me, it's been clear from the beginning that Toyotaro is being guided in a very hands-on way by the Dragon Ball Room. Dragon Ball does not belong to Toyotaro...he has been allowed to work on it. The fact that Toriyama was convinced to write the next film about Broly really shows how much the ball is in the DBR's court. I think Toyotaro has done an excellent job, and the DBS manga is certainly his work, but I'd be surprised if he even has control over the amount of pages that are drawn per chapter. The timing of this arc has certainly been scheduled to cross-promote with the new film.

In other news, if you Google image search "Dragon Ball manga", about half of the results (possibly more) are the DBS manga. While I really enjoy Toyotaro's work, I find that a bit unfortunate. I'm not sure how Google's algorithm works, so maybe it's just lumping in results from a "Dragon Ball Super manga" search.

[prince212]

Ok , let’s suppose that toyotaro is being told to end t.o.p And make a hint of the movie by December ...
That means toyo has to draw this arc in 10 chapters against 34 episodes anime ( not counting pre-tournament )
Future trunks arc was 12 chapters and anime took 30 episodes .
So .. yeah it’s gonna be shorten out 2-3 chapters , but I think it’s a happy coincidence, I.m.o , the anime version had over 10 episodes not extremely needed to accomplish this arc . Yes , what people call fodder , that may be ok in the anime weekly but for a monthly manga ....no room .
Probably toyotaro is happy about this matter and can’t wait to draw some newer material with more expansive possibilities than just a 50 min tournament in the same scenario

[1345521]

To me, it's been clear from the beginning that Toyotaro is being guided in a very hands-on way by the Dragon Ball Room. Dragon Ball does not belong to Toyotaro...he has been allowed to work on it. The fact that Toriyama was convinced to write the next film about Broly really shows how much the ball is in the DBR's court. I think Toyotaro has done an excellent job, and the DBS manga is certainly his work, but I'd be surprised if he even has control over the amount of pages that are drawn per chapter. The timing of this arc has certainly been scheduled to cross-promote with the new film.

In other news, if you Google image search "Dragon Ball manga", about half of the results (possibly more) are the DBS manga. While I really enjoy Toyotaro's work, I find that a bit unfortunate. I'm not sure how Google's algorithm works, so maybe it's just lumping in results from a "Dragon Ball Super manga" search.

The results show me the db manga, no dbs manga except like one video suggestion. Idk what this "dragon ball room" is, but toyotaro gets stuff from akira himself and produces the dbs manga, just like toei does.
He dosen't have control over the amount of manga his pages produce because it's not his choice, just like it wasn't. it depends on the magazine your manga is serialized by. Hence akira was by weekly shonen Jump (these are where the Big Whig animes are produced). Toyotaro is serialized in Vjump, which isn't the worst magazine... but not as big as weekly shonen jump hence why it appears only monthly. And the dragon ball room is a new thing, there wasn't always a dragon ball room so that dosen't have to much infulence on toyotaro.

[1345521]

Ok , let’s suppose that toyotaro is being told to end t.o.p And make a hint of the movie by December ...
That means toyo has to draw this arc in 10 chapters against 34 episodes anime ( not counting pre-tournament )
Future trunks arc was 12 chapters and anime took 30 episodes .
So .. yeah it’s gonna be shorten out 2-3 chapters , but I think it’s a happy coincidence, I.m.o , the anime version had over 10 episodes not extremely needed to accomplish this arc . Yes , what people call fodder , that may be ok in the anime weekly but for a monthly manga ....no room .
Probably toyotaro is happy about this matter and can’t wait to draw some newer material with more expansive possibilities than just a 50 min tournament in the same scenario

I guess, though we don't know. Maybe december comes around and toyotaro is still on his last chapter for the ToP.
I just re-read akiras interview. This movie is more then likely going to be as expected:
a differnt continuty from manga and anime.
Movie: Akiras orginal un-altered sotry
Manga: toyotaros vision
Anime (if it comes back): Toei's version

[prince212]

dragon ball room is a new thing, there wasn't always a dragon ball room so that dosen't have to much infulence on toyotaro.

apparently that dragon room does influence the strategy of the whole franchise, it’s created by the owners , so .. if that room is working .. you bet toyotaro is involved and get orders from the boss Shueisha decisions , not even Toriyama in the old days was free of influences or a boss ... toyo is not gonna be less ..

Shueisha Establishes “Dragon Ball Room” to Expand and Optimize Content
Shueisha revealed that it had newly established a “Dragon Ball Room” on June 21st of this year (2016). Its goal is to break down barriers between departments to expand and optimize the globally popular Dragon Ball franchise.
Akira Toriyama, the original author, commented that, “I was wanting to keep this old series alive and kicking even in the modern day with help from Shueisha’s excellent staff, so for me this team is dependable and a real godsend. It’d really be great if this way I won’t have to do anything!!!!”

Toriyama and his half-full jokes ...

[batistabus]

The results show me the db manga, no dbs manga except like one video suggestion. Idk what this "dragon ball room" is, but toyotaro gets stuff from akira himself and produces the dbs manga, just like toei does.
He dosen't have control over the amount of manga his pages produce because it's not his choice, just like it wasn't. it depends on the magazine your manga is serialized by. Hence akira was by weekly shonen Jump (these are where the Big Whig animes are produced). Toyotaro is serialized in Vjump, which isn't the worst magazine... but not as big as weekly shonen jump hence why it appears only monthly. And the dragon ball room is a new thing, there wasn't always a dragon ball room so that dosen't have to much infulence on toyotaro.

I said image search, but perhaps my search results are targeted to my search habits...since that's a thing now, apparently.

Chapter 1 of the DBS manga predates the founding of the Dragon Ball Room (June 21st, 2016 supposedly, compared to June 2015 for the DBS manga), but the head of the Dragon Ball Room is the editor-in-chief of V-Jump. It has nothing to do with the quality of the magazine, but it does have a lot to do with the editorial process. Do you think Toyotaro is calling the shots in any department besides art and presentation of story? I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but I am saying that it has a huge impact on the final product. My point is that the Dragon Ball Room is telling Toyotaro "Chapter XX will focus on x through y of Toriyama-sensei's outline, and it will be XX pages long," and that this decision is based on a larger scale Dragon Ball brand master plan.

[prince212]

My point is that the Dragon Ball Room is telling Toyotaro "Chapter XX will focus on x through y of Toriyama-sensei's outline,

That really sounds like toyo has no liberty at all , it’s possible though..
It sounded better on those toyo-tori interviews.
Now I wonder if there’s that many people behind how a few times they published chapters that contain noticeable drawing mistakes that are so easy to fix .those times that myself claimed “give an assistant to toyo”

[1345521]

dragon ball room is a new thing, there wasn't always a dragon ball room so that dosen't have to much infulence on toyotaro.

apparently that dragon room does influence the strategy of the whole franchise, it’s created by the owners , so .. if that room is working .. you bet toyotaro is involved and get orders from the boss Shueisha decisions , not even Toriyama in the old days was free of influences or a boss ... toyo is not gonna be less ..

Shueisha Establishes “Dragon Ball Room” to Expand and Optimize Content
Shueisha revealed that it had newly established a “Dragon Ball Room” on June 21st of this year (2016). Its goal is to break down barriers between departments to expand and optimize the globally popular Dragon Ball franchise.
Akira Toriyama, the original author, commented that, “I was wanting to keep this old series alive and kicking even in the modern day with help from Shueisha’s excellent staff, so for me this team is dependable and a real godsend. It’d really be great if this way I won’t have to do anything!!!!”

Toriyama and his half-full jokes ...

Yeah you're right. Man I just liked it when it was simple.
Toyotaro works for shueisha. Akira creates the outline from stratch (without an editor) and gives his outlines to toei and toyotaro. And they adapt it. Toei gets their revenue from dbs anime, dbs manga income gives sheuisha and him revenue. And akira has a stalk in all of that joint. then for the movies, sheuisha, toei and akira all come togther to plan for the big movies. They all collect profits, and then sheuisha and akira gain more profit for what toyotaro does in his manga adaption, while toei (and akaira) gets profit for what they do in their anime production.

Basically akira is just making bank from all revenue streams. hahaha.
SIMPLE.
But it's probably not...

[1345521]

The results show me the db manga, no dbs manga except like one video suggestion. Idk what this "dragon ball room" is, but toyotaro gets stuff from akira himself and produces the dbs manga, just like toei does.
He dosen't have control over the amount of manga his pages produce because it's not his choice, just like it wasn't. it depends on the magazine your manga is serialized by. Hence akira was by weekly shonen Jump (these are where the Big Whig animes are produced). Toyotaro is serialized in Vjump, which isn't the worst magazine... but not as big as weekly shonen jump hence why it appears only monthly. And the dragon ball room is a new thing, there wasn't always a dragon ball room so that dosen't have to much infulence on toyotaro.

I said image search, but perhaps my search results are targeted to my search habits...since that's a thing now, apparently.

Chapter 1 of the DBS manga predates the founding of the Dragon Ball Room (June 21st, 2016 supposedly, compared to June 2015 for the DBS manga), but the head of the Dragon Ball Room is the editor-in-chief of V-Jump. It has nothing to do with the quality of the magazine, but it does have a lot to do with the editorial process. Do you think Toyotaro is calling the shots in any department besides art and presentation of story? I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but I am saying that it has a huge impact on the final product. My point is that the Dragon Ball Room is telling Toyotaro "Chapter XX will focus on x through y of Toriyama-sensei's outline, and it will be XX pages long," and that this decision is based on a larger scale Dragon Ball brand master plan.

MAYBE... I don't think shueisha are such Grimlin, Fat grotesque Mob boss and angry-troll looking people who tell toyotaro what to do with dbs manga and he just with his tail behind his legs says Ok...and does it. hahaha. Plus, shuehsia is more so just an publishing company with 100S of other manga they focus on. I'm sure it's porbably more laxed. and toyotaro gets a lot of freedom to do what he wishes in the manga. I doubt sheuisha commanded toyotaro to have kale Ram-sack everyone. All sheusisha big whigs probably tell toyotaro is like the big confidential news of what's going on around the franchise which may need his manga to promote. But I'm sure toyotaro has a lot of freedom to produce his own manga. Toyotaro sends his ruff draft, his editor as suehsia just eats a donut with his feet on the desk. glances at it, Shrugs and throws it in the mail to akira toriyama so he can review the art. Akira who's probably watching some car show in house glances at it, says "eh this deisgn needs to be a little bigger but nice work"to himself as he makes some art in like 5 minutes and sends it back to sheisha. Toyotar probably sees it as "OH MY GOSH. MY ROUGH DRAFT MUST HAVE BEEN SO TERRIBLE! You Want it BIG. I'll make it big!" as toyotaro proceeds to spend 5 hours on like that one panel. And then sends his final draft to the printer. Bam, new chapter. lol. I feel like toei and toyotaro are in school. Toei represent the popular and loud kids who don't always perform the best work so the teacher has to look more into them, while toyotaro is like those quiet preppy kids who try their best to do whatever the teacher wants to the point that the teacher (toriyama) just barley glances at their work and gives them an A. While with toei, toriyama has to look harder at the work and then make toei correct some things, lol.

[LightBing]

My point is that the Dragon Ball Room is telling Toyotaro "Chapter XX will focus on x through y of Toriyama-sensei's outline, and it will be XX pages long," and that this decision is based on a larger scale Dragon Ball brand master plan.

No way, you realize how extreme that is?! That would be noticeable miles away no matter who's the writer.

You're painting the Dragon Room as a robotic dictator. Their meddling was probably telling him to get it over until December, looking at the recent chapter their editors might have told him "how do you still so many fighters in?You only have a few months left, don't forget Goku and Jiren still need an epic fight"! Stuff like this.

The Dragon Room I imagine serves to coordinate all Dragon Ball products with limited influence on the artists; having a coordinated release of material from various mediums with minimal disconnect, making advertising pushes for maximum efficiency and such.

There's just far too many toes to step on for such singular vision like "it's all about Broly now": video games, manga's, anime's, collaborations, figurines, etc...

[prince212]

Well I’m glad the more help toyo has the less stress his life should be .. being a mangaka in a regular series seems to be an infernal life where you ended up hating your creation or not wanting to be doing for so long ... and toyos case is even worse because he’s not doing his own product and he’s got chains on his legs .
So if the final product is ok , I don’t care what’s behind
I don’t think Toriyama is hungry for more money , he’s being mostly retired 2 decades and no matter what he’s still gonna make money . What he’s doing it’s just for fun , and looks like he’s not killing himself you know ... rarely he move his butt out of Nagoya ( most beautiful place in Japan I.m.o ) and he’s not into the luxury life style

[Gt91]

So gohan vs kefla.
What about a ss3 gohan this time? He trained hard after losing his ultimate form and he got the ss3 form.
In this way kefla could learn about the ss3.

[OLKv3]

So gohan vs kefla.
What about a ss3 gohan this time? He trained hard after losing his ultimate form and he got the ss3 form.
In this way kefla could learn about the ss3.

Have him grow 3 bangs and call it a new form

[JazzMazz]

Bet they'll reveal Kefla isn't as strong as peak Kale, due to Kale having lost loads of stamina when fusing, and Gohan uses that to his advantage.