The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Steven Bloodriver]

Khin, Ozotto (魔人オゾット, Majin Ozotto) is a Majin that appears in the Sega System 32 arcade game Dragon Ball Z: V.R.V.S. in 1994. He also has a nickname which is "The Super Monster".

[Khin]

Khin, Ozotto (魔人オゾット, Majin Ozotto) is a Majin that appears in the Sega System 32 arcade game Dragon Ball Z: V.R.V.S. in 1994. He also has a nickname which is "The Super Monster".

Is there any indication on how strong he is ?

[Steven Bloodriver]

Unfortunately, none whatsoever. But my best guess is that he is strong enough to challenge a Super Saiyan at the level of Future Gohan or even what Goku had displayed during the Cell Games against Perfect Cell.

[Analytic]

1) Android 16 vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).

What Khin said. #16 >>> #18 >> SS Vegeta.

2) A hypothetical Videl (if she had met and was trained by Piccolo for the 7 years following the Cell Games) vs. Majin Spopovitch.

I don't consider Spopovich any stronger than BoS Goku or even Krillin. I'm sure Videl could reach that level with seven whole years of training with someone like Piccolo. She'd still be weaker than Chichi though.

3) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Buu (Fourth Form Frieza Absorbed).

Even base Vegeta is considerably stronger than Evil Boo at this point in GT, in my opinion.

4) Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Fusion Reborn) vs. Hakaishin Beerus (when the Elder Kai was sealed within the Z Sword).

Agree with Khin again, impossible to say.

5) Adult Gohan (Base Form) vs. Nappa.

Gohan on Namek was already leagues ahead of Nappa, and Adult Gohan would be considerably stronger (especially if this Gohan when he is actually an adult (i.e; the end of Z).

6) Super Saiyan Future Gohan (Before he received his scars) vs. Majin Ozotto.

No idea, sorry.

7) Cell (Perfect Form) vs. King Cold (in a hypothetical Fifth Form).

I think Cell would win, if we assume that the increase Cold receives would be the same as Cooler's.

[DanielSSJ]

1) Android 16 vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).

2) A hypothetical Videl (if she had met and was trained by Piccolo for the 7 years following the Cell Games) vs. Majin Spopovitch.

3) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Buu (Fourth Form Frieza Absorbed).

4) Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Fusion Reborn) vs. Hakaishin Beerus (when the Elder Kai was sealed within the Z Sword).

5) Adult Gohan (Base Form) vs. Nappa.

6) Super Saiyan Future Gohan (Before he received his scars) vs. Majin Ozotto.

7) Cell (Perfect Form) vs. King Cold (in a hypothetical Fifth Form).

- 16 is a lot stronger than 17 and 18, who are a lot stronger than Vegeta or any of the Super Saiyans. No. 16 wins by a landslide.

- Spopy and Yamu are, at best, stronger than 21st Budokai Goku. The Great Demon Princess Videl would be leages beyond anyone in the original Dragon Ball.

- Depends. If it's Freeza from the Namek arc, or even the powered up version Goku fought in hell, the power he adds to Boo is to small to make any difference in Boo's strength. Vegeta smashes Booza. If it's Res. F Freeza, Super Saiyan Vegeta is still more than enough to make the Majin cry like a bitch.

- I don't think Beerus was that much weaker back in the day that he'd lose to SS3 Goku.

- Gohan surpassed Nappa way back in the Namek arc. Boo arc Gohan could be using less than a percent of his strength and still onshot Nappa.

- Don't know jack about Ozotto, so pass.

- I doubt Cold would be much stronger than Cooler, since both are weaker than Freeza without a 5th form. Cell does to Cold what Trunks did to... Cold...

[Noah]

- Depends. If it's Freeza from the Namek arc, or even the powered up version Goku fought in hell, the power he adds to Boo is to small to make any difference in Boo's strength. Vegeta smashes Booza. If it's Res. F Freeza, Super Saiyan Vegeta is still more than enough to make the Majin cry like a bitch.

What make you think that GT Vegeta is that strong? Heck he's not even a God.

[DanielSSJ]

- Depends. If it's Freeza from the Namek arc, or even the powered up version Goku fought in hell, the power he adds to Boo is to small to make any difference in Boo's strength. Vegeta smashes Booza. If it's Res. F Freeza, Super Saiyan Vegeta is still more than enough to make the Majin cry like a bitch.

What make you think that GT Vegeta is that strong? Heck he's not even a God.

We're still talking about 4th Form Freeza, not his god-level Golden form. Base Vegeta couldn't handle that, but Super Saiyan Vegeta could. Then again, it's a GT/Super comparison, so who knows?

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Team universe 6+Golden frieza vs Beerus (going by what whis said about ssjblue goku and vegeta being enough to beat beerus as a TEAM)

Whis VS beerus/ssj blue goku/ssj blue vegeta/universe 6's team/golden frieza/champa/current black

beerus vs beerus from trunks' timeline

future trunks from super vs ultimate gohan

hirudegarn vs janemba (final form)

ssj blue vegito vs whis

golden frieza vs champa

buuhan vs final form frieza FNF

fat buu (whis absorbed) vs vados and champa

[apex_pretador]

1) Teen Gohan (if he had trained for a year with both Goku and Piccolo in the Other World following the Cell Games) vs. A hypothetical Super Saiyan Vegeta (if he had been the one to achieve Super Saiyan to defeat Frieza and spent half a year training in extreme gravity).

2) A hypothetical Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Teen Gohan (the same one I had already mentioned to fight Super Saiyan Vegeta from above) vs. Goku Black.

Gohan easily. He won't even need SS2.

Vegeta (android arc) with 2 year training in ROSAT >>>>>>> Vegeta (namek arc) with 1.5 years of training.



Agin, gohan one-shots with ease as black is SS2 goku's level.

Android 17 VS Piccolo, if their fight in the Cell Arc was allowed to continue (assume no interruption by 18, 16, or Cell)

Piccolo had that big canon ki blast in handy for one-hit kill shot. He would have used that. He couldn't just use it in the very beginning (when he went for one hit kill even in start) because he has to save energy a bit. He can't just waster all energy in 1 attack and be too tired to even hope to face 16 & 18.

Piccolo was enjoying the fight, he even failed to notice cell in his "involvement" with 17.

1) Base Form Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Super Vegeta (Cell Saga).

2) Base Form Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Majin Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2).

3) Base Form Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).

4) GT Vegeta (Base Form) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Namek Saga).

1. No matter how weak vegetto base might be, he is definitely far above super vegeta from cell arc.

2. Base gogeta was supposed to be stronger than "veku", who did atleast as good as majin vegeta if not better. Base gogeta is also supposed to be far stronger than base gotenks, who should be in low SS2 level range. I believe that skill advantage + IT allows gogeta to finish the job in 30 minutes.

3. Comeon, this is a mismatch. Base gohan surpassed saiyan arc vegeta when his potential got unlocked.

4. GT base vegeta >>> Base Baby gohan ~ SS Baby goten >>>> Namek arc vegeta

1) Super Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Baby Vegeta (Super Saiyan).

2) Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (Shadow Dragon Saga) vs. Black-Masked Saiyan (Time Breaker Vegeta).

3) Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Great Ape Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).

4) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).

Super vegetto overwhelms. He is supposed to be in league with SS4. Even ignoring that, Super baby vegeta was supposed to be > buuhan, and vegetto crushed buuhan easily.

nowaytotellskip

Are you serious? You are more likely to beat super saiyan 2 gohan than this vegeta.

GT vegeta one-shots in base.

5) Mira (Base Form) vs. Cell (Super Perfect Form).

6) Super Buu (Base Form) vs. Janemba (Final Form).

7) Frieza (Ultimate Evolution: Golden Form) vs. Goku Black (Base Form).

skip

Super buu, despite the power levels being close (slightly favoring buu), the big reason is regen and candy beam.

Freeza taps his finger and black dies.

1) Android 16 vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).

2) A hypothetical Videl (if she had met and was trained by Piccolo for the 7 years following the Cell Games) vs. Majin Spopovitch.

3) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Buu (Fourth Form Frieza Absorbed).

4) Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Fusion Reborn) vs. Hakaishin Beerus (when the Elder Kai was sealed within the Z Sword).

5) Adult Gohan (Base Form) vs. Nappa.

6) Super Saiyan Future Gohan (Before he received his scars) vs. Majin Ozotto.

7) Cell (Perfect Form) vs. King Cold (in a hypothetical Fifth Form).

#16 is on a whole different league compared to vegeta.


Videl kills him with one casual ki blast. Spopo is nothing special.

Super 17 version Super Saiyan vegeta should be stronger than anyone but vegetto in buu arc. However, Super buu absorbing final form freeza from RoF? Vegeta can't just put him down.

There is no way to tell beerus power back then. So I'll just go with "beerus destroyes planet"

Even DBM Cold doesn't stand a chance.

Team universe 6+Golden frieza vs Beerus (going by what whis said about ssjblue goku and vegeta being enough to beat beerus as a TEAM)

Whis VS beerus/ssj blue goku/ssj blue vegeta/universe 6's team/golden frieza/champa/current black

beerus vs beerus from trunks' timeline

future trunks from super vs ultimate gohan

hirudegarn vs janemba (final form)

ssj blue vegito vs whis

golden frieza vs champa

buuhan vs final form frieza FNF

fat buu (whis absorbed) vs vados and champa

Beerus

Whis

Beerus

Trunks very high difficulty

Hirdy sneezes, janemba dies

Whis

Champa one-shots

Too close to call.

Vados solos, champa solos. I doubt buu can even absorb whis

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

1) Teen Gohan (if he had trained for a year with both Goku and Piccolo in the Other World following the Cell Games) vs. A hypothetical Super Saiyan Vegeta (if he had been the one to achieve Super Saiyan to defeat Frieza and spent half a year training in extreme gravity).

2) A hypothetical Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Teen Gohan (the same one I had already mentioned to fight Super Saiyan Vegeta from above) vs. Goku Black.

Gohan easily. He won't even need SS2.

Vegeta (android arc) with 2 year training in ROSAT >>>>>>> Vegeta (namek arc) with 1.5 years of training.



Agin, gohan one-shots with ease as black is SS2 goku's level.

Android 17 VS Piccolo, if their fight in the Cell Arc was allowed to continue (assume no interruption by 18, 16, or Cell)

Piccolo had that big canon ki blast in handy for one-hit kill shot. He would have used that. He couldn't just use it in the very beginning (when he went for one hit kill even in start) because he has to save energy a bit. He can't just waster all energy in 1 attack and be too tired to even hope to face 16 & 18.

Piccolo was enjoying the fight, he even failed to notice cell in his "involvement" with 17.

1) Base Form Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Super Vegeta (Cell Saga).

2) Base Form Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Majin Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2).

3) Base Form Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).

4) GT Vegeta (Base Form) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Namek Saga).

1. No matter how weak vegetto base might be, he is definitely far above super vegeta from cell arc.

2. Base gogeta was supposed to be stronger than "veku", who did atleast as good as majin vegeta if not better. Base gogeta is also supposed to be far stronger than base gotenks, who should be in low SS2 level range. I believe that skill advantage + IT allows gogeta to finish the job in 30 minutes.

3. Comeon, this is a mismatch. Base gohan surpassed saiyan arc vegeta when his potential got unlocked.

4. GT base vegeta >>> Base Baby gohan ~ SS Baby goten >>>> Namek arc vegeta

1) Super Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Baby Vegeta (Super Saiyan).

2) Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (Shadow Dragon Saga) vs. Black-Masked Saiyan (Time Breaker Vegeta).

3) Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Great Ape Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).

4) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).

Super vegetto overwhelms. He is supposed to be in league with SS4. Even ignoring that, Super baby vegeta was supposed to be > buuhan, and vegetto crushed buuhan easily.

nowaytotellskip

Are you serious? You are more likely to beat super saiyan 2 gohan than this vegeta.

GT vegeta one-shots in base.

5) Mira (Base Form) vs. Cell (Super Perfect Form).

6) Super Buu (Base Form) vs. Janemba (Final Form).

7) Frieza (Ultimate Evolution: Golden Form) vs. Goku Black (Base Form).

skip

Super buu, despite the power levels being close (slightly favoring buu), the big reason is regen and candy beam.

Freeza taps his finger and black dies.

1) Android 16 vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).

2) A hypothetical Videl (if she had met and was trained by Piccolo for the 7 years following the Cell Games) vs. Majin Spopovitch.

3) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Buu (Fourth Form Frieza Absorbed).

4) Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Fusion Reborn) vs. Hakaishin Beerus (when the Elder Kai was sealed within the Z Sword).

5) Adult Gohan (Base Form) vs. Nappa.

6) Super Saiyan Future Gohan (Before he received his scars) vs. Majin Ozotto.

7) Cell (Perfect Form) vs. King Cold (in a hypothetical Fifth Form).

#16 is on a whole different league compared to vegeta.


Videl kills him with one casual ki blast. Spopo is nothing special.

Super 17 version Super Saiyan vegeta should be stronger than anyone but vegetto in buu arc. However, Super buu absorbing final form freeza from RoF? Vegeta can't just put him down.

There is no way to tell beerus power back then. So I'll just go with "beerus destroyes planet"

Even DBM Cold doesn't stand a chance.

Team universe 6+Golden frieza vs Beerus (going by what whis said about ssjblue goku and vegeta being enough to beat beerus as a TEAM)

Whis VS beerus/ssj blue goku/ssj blue vegeta/universe 6's team/golden frieza/champa/current black

beerus vs beerus from trunks' timeline

future trunks from super vs ultimate gohan

hirudegarn vs janemba (final form)

ssj blue vegito vs whis

golden frieza vs champa

buuhan vs final form frieza FNF

fat buu (whis absorbed) vs vados and champa

Beerus

Whis

Beerus

Trunks very high difficulty

Hirdy sneezes, janemba dies

Whis

Champa one-shots

Too close to call.

Vados solos, champa solos. I doubt buu can even absorb whis

wait, I'm not sure if I agree with most of those personally, but how would vados, let alone CHAMPA beat someone stronger then whis who has regeneration and candy beam and such? I mean, look scenario-whis is eating then sleeps. he gets absorbed. The end. ridiculous ,but it happens, so how does champa win? he cant even beat whis or beeerus, how is he gonna beat fat buu with that power added to his own? Not to mention the abilities.

[apex_pretador]

wait, I'm not sure if I agree with most of those personally, but how would vados, let alone CHAMPA beat someone stronger then whis who has regeneration and candy beam and such? I mean, look scenario-whis is eating then sleeps. he gets absorbed. The end. ridiculous ,but it happens, so how does champa win? he cant even beat whis or beeerus, how is he gonna beat fat buu with that power added to his own? Not to mention the abilities.

I believe that Fat buu absorbing whis or beers or anyone on this level or higher will have no effect, due to sheer power.

Anyways, if you intend to say - have buu with PL of whis vs Vados, she still wins because of warp travel / interdimension travel / dimension trap / time travel etc.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

wait, I'm not sure if I agree with most of those personally, but how would vados, let alone CHAMPA beat someone stronger then whis who has regeneration and candy beam and such? I mean, look scenario-whis is eating then sleeps. he gets absorbed. The end. ridiculous ,but it happens, so how does champa win? he cant even beat whis or beeerus, how is he gonna beat fat buu with that power added to his own? Not to mention the abilities.

I believe that Fat buu absorbing whis or beers or anyone on this level or higher will have no effect, due to sheer power.

Anyways, if you intend to say - have buu with PL of whis vs Vados, she still wins because of warp travel / interdimension travel / dimension trap / time travel etc.

I disagree. I mean if he absorbs whis he has the powers too. I don't think it can't happen is a good response. He'll have all her powers but with more power and MROE technqiues.

[Anime Kitten]

Mecha Frieza (early Androids Saga) VS Final Form Cooler (Cooler's Revenge)

[LightBing]

Mecha Frieza (early Androids Saga) VS Final Form Cooler (Cooler's Revenge)

88%/12% - SSJ Goku from the movie appeared to barely have any mastery over SSJ. Contrary to the manga Goku, who I assume is much stronger than this. If the movie Goku is very close to Namek SSJ Goku and can tank Cooler's attacks. It's impossible for Cooler to win in a hand-to hand combat.
His only chance would be to use his Supernova attack. Maybe use to his advantage unknown weakness of Freeza which only he knows.
Cooler would also have the psychological advantage, he seems much more stable and careful than Freeza. Still, the gap in power is very significant.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Mecha Frieza (early Androids Saga) VS Final Form Cooler (Cooler's Revenge)

Cooler takes place in training for the androids.

Cooler threw a ball that goku almost die from.

Frieza lost outright to trunks, who even with a sword was nothing to Goku. The dude probably could block all of trunks' attacks with just his finger if he wanted to!...Wait...

SSJ goku>cooler>trunks>mecha frieza>ssj goku namek>100% frieza

Mecha Frieza (early Androids Saga) VS Final Form Cooler (Cooler's Revenge)

88%/12% - SSJ Goku from the movie appeared to barely have any mastery over SSJ. Contrary to the manga Goku, who I assume is much stronger than this. If the movie Goku is very close to Namek SSJ Goku and can tank Cooler's attacks. It's impossible for Cooler to win in a hand-to hand combat.
His only chance would be to use his Supernova attack. Maybe use to his advantage unknown weakness of Freeza which only he knows.
Cooler would also have the psychological advantage, he seems much more stable and careful than Freeza. Still, the gap in power is very significant.

Goku in the film just didn't want to go ssj, it's a toei plot device they like to cause tension. Goku already owned trunks in the anime timeline as well so he's not struggling. the only one struggling is vegeta in space trying to get the form himself. The only known advantages cooler has is as I just explained, he's stronger then frieza because he's taking on a stronger ssj goku that's mastered it and had training and zenkais and such. Years of training in fact. Also he gathers energy faster. Cooler wins. it's a stomp. Then the gap gets even WIDER with metal cooler....and theeeeenn comes golden frieza ;/
Golden frieza IS stronger, but his brother is still cooler :3

[In Brightest Day]

Mecha Frieza (early Androids Saga) VS Final Form Cooler (Cooler's Revenge)

Cooler can gather energy faster than his brother and his final form seems to be pretty efficient. With that said, SSJ Son Goku smoked Cooler as easily as SSJ Trunks did with Mecha Freeza and King Cold, and I think the fight between the two was essentially how a hypothetical SSJ Goku/Mecha Freeza fight would have gone. So, I think this is a pretty close fight, with Cooler edging out his younger brother. Freeza's new mechanical body seems pretty fragile, Cooler has the size and reach advantage while also being less hot-headed and impulsive.

Movie 5 is probably my favourite of the older movies simply because Cooler is a pretty sweet villain and the movie itself is one of the few that can quite easily fit into the timeline (post-Trunks arc) without any issues.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1st Scenario) You are given two years to prepare against the arrival of Goku Black, where would you like to train at and with whom?

2nd Scenario) You are given the Potara Earrings by Old Kai and have to fight against both King of Destruction Super Saiyan 4 Full Power Broly and King of Destruction Baby Janemba, who would you chose to fuse with?

3rd Scenario) You are in the shoes of Cell after he had first achieved his Imperfect form in his timeline, what would you have done in his place?

[Anime Kitten]

1st Scenario) You are given two years to prepare against the arrival of Goku Black, where would you like to train at and with whom?

2nd Scenario) You are given the Potara Earrings by Old Kai and have to fight against both King of Destruction Super Saiyan 4 Full Power Broly and King of Destruction Baby Janemba, who would you chose to fuse with?

3rd Scenario) You are in the shoes of Cell after he had first achieved his Imperfect form in his timeline, what would you have done in his place?

1. Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo all. Separately or together.
2. One of the three above.
3. Probably the same thing he did: kill Trunks and absorb the past Androids, unless they happened to still be around.

[DanielSSJ]

Mecha Frieza (early Androids Saga) VS Final Form Cooler (Cooler's Revenge)

I assume that The Incredible Strongest vs Strongest takes place fairly early in he the three year period before the Androids show up. Goku beats up Coola nearly as easily Trunks did Freeza and Cold, and I don't think Goku's had enough time to make any significant improvements, so I'd say that Mecha Freeza and Super Coola are on the same level, give or take. Since I see Coola's fifth form sort of as a more efficient manifestation of his 100% power (like Super Saiyan 2 vs Super Saiyan Grade 2), I'd say that Coola's superior stamina wins the day against his brother.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Champa talks shit about Goku and Hit. They give him that epic stare. They end the fight as usual, but they heal completely, even from the kaioken for goku. Now champa wants to kill hit and goku intervenes.

Champa VS Hit and Goku (all 3 full power)

How does it go? My money's on Champa losing.