The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
To all the guys saying Piccolo could even think about fighting Ginyu, How would you explain such an enormous gain in such a short time? Also, how about giving your thoughts on his ridiculous gains in the beginning of the artificial humans arc while you're at it?
Anyways, new matches for my favourite race:
-Piccolo Daimao VS Muten Roushi (Current)
-Nameless Namekian / Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Raditz
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Piccolo (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
-Nail VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Nail VS Rikuum
-Nail Vs Butta
-Nail VS Krillin(From when he fights Freeza)
-Nail VS Goku (Saiyan Saga)
-Piccolo (Namek Saga) VS Goku (Namek Saga)
-Piccolo (Buu Saga) VS Base Goku (With access to Kaioken)
And the fight of the century
-Monaka VS Mr. Satan
Anyways, new matches for my favourite race:
-Piccolo Daimao VS Muten Roushi (Current)
-Nameless Namekian / Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Raditz
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Piccolo (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
-Nail VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Nail VS Rikuum
-Nail Vs Butta
-Nail VS Krillin(From when he fights Freeza)
-Nail VS Goku (Saiyan Saga)
-Piccolo (Namek Saga) VS Goku (Namek Saga)
-Piccolo (Buu Saga) VS Base Goku (With access to Kaioken)
And the fight of the century
-Monaka VS Mr. Satan
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
In the Namek arc Guru says the nameless Namekian could beat Frieza and this is before his fusion with nail.
Piccolo Daimao VS Muten Roushi (Current) - Toriyama said Roshi has kept training this entire time. He has probably doubled his power level since the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai and easily wins
Nameless Namekian / Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Raditz
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Piccolo (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
Son of Katatz takes all of these. maybe takes a few hits from oozaru Vegeta but still wins.
-Nail VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) - Vegeta lost some power creating the power ball, but he should still be above 42,000 easily.
-Nail VS Rikuum
-Nail Vs Butta
Frieza's elite have too much combat experience.
-Nail VS Krillin(From when he fights Freeza) Nail may be more powerful but I reckon Krillin has a lot better fighting experience as despite Nail being a warrior I don't get the impression he has much combat experience being on Namek all the time.
-Nail VS Goku (Saiyan Saga) Nail is exceedingly stronger here. Goku wrecks himself using Kaioken to try and keep up and contributes to his own loss
-Piccolo (Namek Saga) VS Goku (Namek Saga) - Goku
-Piccolo (Buu Saga) VS Base Goku (With access to Kaioken) Piccolo is about equal to cell games Goku SS here. If Goku can use Kaioken x 50 by this point he could stomp. Assuming he is in his dead body here there would be less strain on it as evidenced by SS3
And the fight of the century
-Monaka VS Mr. Satan - Mr Satan is an accomplished martial artist in his own right. Monaka is a delivery man. Satan stomps.
Piccolo Daimao VS Muten Roushi (Current) - Toriyama said Roshi has kept training this entire time. He has probably doubled his power level since the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai and easily wins
Nameless Namekian / Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Raditz
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Piccolo (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
Son of Katatz takes all of these. maybe takes a few hits from oozaru Vegeta but still wins.
-Nail VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) - Vegeta lost some power creating the power ball, but he should still be above 42,000 easily.
-Nail VS Rikuum
-Nail Vs Butta
Frieza's elite have too much combat experience.
-Nail VS Krillin(From when he fights Freeza) Nail may be more powerful but I reckon Krillin has a lot better fighting experience as despite Nail being a warrior I don't get the impression he has much combat experience being on Namek all the time.
-Nail VS Goku (Saiyan Saga) Nail is exceedingly stronger here. Goku wrecks himself using Kaioken to try and keep up and contributes to his own loss
-Piccolo (Namek Saga) VS Goku (Namek Saga) - Goku
-Piccolo (Buu Saga) VS Base Goku (With access to Kaioken) Piccolo is about equal to cell games Goku SS here. If Goku can use Kaioken x 50 by this point he could stomp. Assuming he is in his dead body here there would be less strain on it as evidenced by SS3
And the fight of the century
-Monaka VS Mr. Satan - Mr Satan is an accomplished martial artist in his own right. Monaka is a delivery man. Satan stomps.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Even if you put Piccolo around like 30,000, he would still become like 10x stronger in just six days. I just think Piccolo from that point started to receive huge gains, which continues up until in the Android Arc. Probably just Toriyama trying to make Piccolo as relevant as possible, especially in the Android Arc.DBZ Macky wrote:To all the guys saying Piccolo could even think about fighting Ginyu, How would you explain such an enormous gain in such a short time? Also, how about giving your thoughts on his ridiculous gains in the beginning of the artificial humans arc while you're at it?
Piccolo was confident that he can save Gohan from Freeza even after sensing the latter's Ki, he also acts like he's superior to Gohan who at that time had a Battle Power of around 200,000. Nail said if Piccolo and Kami merge once again, his power would surpass Freeza (It was implied that Kami and Piccolo's fusion is like 2x power boost) so i have Piccolo as exactly hundred times stronger than he was in the Saiyan Arc. Have him at 250,000.
Anyways, new matches for my favourite race:
-Piccolo Daimao VS Muten Roushi (Current)
-Nameless Namekian / Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Raditz
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Piccolo (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
-Nail VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Nail VS Rikuum
-Nail Vs Butta
-Nail VS Krillin(From when he fights Freeza)
-Nail VS Goku (Saiyan Saga)
-Piccolo (Namek Saga) VS Goku (Namek Saga)
-Piccolo (Buu Saga) VS Base Goku (With access to Kaioken)
And the fight of the century
-Monaka VS Mr. Satan
- Current Roshi can use his Max Power state freely, which can fight up against Freeza's goons and destroy the moon. Both stuff which i don't think Piccolo Daimao can do. Roshi takes this one easily.
- The Nameless Namekian's power is quite hard to tell. Since the whole stuff about Guru's comment is incredibly vague. There's a line that implies that he lost half his power upon splitting up (Which ties later in the Android Arc), then again there's a line where Guru says only a Super Saiyan should be able to beat the Nameless Namekian. The weakest guy we know that was assumed to be a Super Saiyan is the suppressed Goku against the Ginyu Force, which have a Battle Power of 60,000. So the Nameless Namekian should be around that level if we go by that line. But the Nameless Namekian should just be a Dragon-type Namekian prodigy like Dende, and Dende is nothing special power-wise. For now, i'll just go with the Nameless Namekian losing half his power. So the Nameless Namekian at best would have a Battle Power of around 600. He dies a horrible death against the hands of freaking Raditz.
- See above.
- See above again.
- See above again. Oozaru Vegeta crushes.
- The Nameless Namekian will be strong enough to to put up a great fight against Nappa and can win with mid-high difficulty. But he's still no match for Vegeta.
- See above.
- See above again, Giant state wouldn't do any good.
- If this is a fully healed Oozaru Vegeta. He'd become like 4x stronger than Nail. Nail gets stomped literally.
- I can see this as being a very tough battle with Nail having a very slight power advantage. But Nail don't have enough feats to compete against Recoom's extreme durability and fancy ki blasts.
- Same. I think Burta's speed advantage will be too much for Nail.
- V-Jump Power Levels put this Kuririn at 75,000, which is almost twice the Power Level of Nail. But i put this Kuririn at 150,000. So Nail gets pwned worse.
- Even Kaiou-ken x4 wouldn't do any good to Nail. Goku's Kaiou-ken x4 (His limit at that time) will only be at around 32,000. Whereas Nail is at 42,000.
- If Goku can access Kaiou-ken x10, he can win. However, if he's limited to just regular Kaiou-ken or can't use Kaiou-ken at all. Piccolo will easily dispatch him.
- Which Goku ? Assuming Boo Arc Goku. He's still weaker than Freeza on Namek, which is a level Piccolo had far surpassed by a ridiculous margin by the Boo Arc. Kaiou-ken wouldn't save Goku from getting crushed by Piccolo.
- Monaka can fly, so Mister Satan have no way of hitting him (Unless guns are allowed).
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Who are the strongest characters in the original manga that these guys could beat:
Jaco (Dragon Ball Minus)
Muten Roushi (Current)
Yamcha (Current)
Tenshinhan (Current)
Kuririn (Current)
Yajirobe (Current)
Chiaotzu (Current)
Jaco (Current)
Piccolo (Current)
Base Goku (Current)
Base Gohan (Z-Sword)
Base Gohan (Current)
SSJ2 Gohan (Current)
New Matches:
-Jaco VS Galactic King (The higher position should be stronger right?)
-Jaco VS Muten Roushi
-Goku (In BOG with 5 Saiyan's Ki) VS Vegeta (Raging)
-Base Vegeta (ROF) VS Vegeta (BOG, Raging)
-Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc) VS Vegeta (Raging)
-Monaka VS Farmer with shotgun (Does he need to use his weapon, Is it enough to kill him?)
-Oolong VS Puar
Jaco (Dragon Ball Minus)
Muten Roushi (Current)
Yamcha (Current)
Tenshinhan (Current)
Kuririn (Current)
Yajirobe (Current)
Chiaotzu (Current)
Jaco (Current)
Piccolo (Current)
Base Goku (Current)
Base Gohan (Z-Sword)
Base Gohan (Current)
SSJ2 Gohan (Current)
New Matches:
-Jaco VS Galactic King (The higher position should be stronger right?)
-Jaco VS Muten Roushi
-Goku (In BOG with 5 Saiyan's Ki) VS Vegeta (Raging)
-Base Vegeta (ROF) VS Vegeta (BOG, Raging)
-Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc) VS Vegeta (Raging)
-Monaka VS Farmer with shotgun (Does he need to use his weapon, Is it enough to kill him?)
-Oolong VS Puar
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I don't think Piccolo could beat Ginyu. I'd say that he's stronger than Nail, based on Nail's own words, but not much else.DBZ Macky wrote:To all the guys saying Piccolo could even think about fighting Ginyu, How would you explain such an enormous gain in such a short time? Also, how about giving your thoughts on his ridiculous gains in the beginning of the artificial humans arc while you're at it?
As far as his improvements over the three years before the Android arc, I'd say that it was a combination of having a larger growth rate and potential after he merged with Nail and sparring with a Super Saiyan (coincidentally, I think this is also part of the reason why Goku did not make any huge improvements over the three years.)
- Roshi seems to have been training in the background throughout Z. While I doubt he'd be anywhere near the younger earthling fighters, I would say he's at least around Raditz's level in his normal form, and near Nappa's level in his buff form. Daimao dies horribly.Anyways, new matches for my favourite race:
-Piccolo Daimao VS Muten Roushi (Current)
-Nameless Namekian / Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Raditz
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Piccolo (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
-Nail VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Nail VS Rikuum
-Nail Vs Butta
-Nail VS Krillin(From when he fights Freeza)
-Nail VS Goku (Saiyan Saga)
-Piccolo (Namek Saga) VS Goku (Namek Saga)
-Piccolo (Buu Saga) VS Base Goku (With access to Kaioken)
And the fight of the century
-Monaka VS Mr. Satan
- Let me go into the utterly confusing and borderline contradictory area pertaining to the Nameless Namekian, or to make it simple on myself, Katatz Jr.
The main issue with this guy is that the Grand Elder both says that the guy slit his power in half when he split into God and Piccolo Daimao, while also implying that the guy would've been beyond the normal Saiyan level, since the Grand Elder thought that it might've been a Super Saiyan who beat him.
Adding Piccolo's power to God's should not put him anywhere near Radtiz's level, let alone the Super Saiyan level. My theory is that when Katatz Jr expelled the evil from himself, he did not just cut his power in half, but he reduced his potential as well. Not only that, but he wasn't getting as strong as he should've on a weak planet like Earth, which is the exact same thing that happened to Goku. At the time of his splitting, I'd say Katatz Jr. would've been around 500 or so. Seems small, but the only competition he would've had was probably the previous God or Mr. Popo. Everyone else on Earth would've paled in comparison. Had Katatz dedicated himself to training for the next 300 or so years instead of splitting in two and simultaneously becoming the God and Devil of this world, his power would've easily been a match or more for Vegeta. Had he made it to Namek and trained with his brethren, he probably could've reached the same level as Nail.
- Assuming that God and Piccolo are merging in the Daimao arc for whatever reason, he is merely twice their power and loses matches 2-4.
- These next matched depend on when Piccolo and God actually fused. If they fused back in the Daimao arc and continued to train, they'd be stronger than Nappa and maybe Goku, but Vegeta in any form would be too much for him. If Saiyan arc Piccolo merged with God, he'd still lose to Vegeta.
- Ozaru Vegeta is rocking a 180,000 battle power (18,000 x 10), whereas Nail is stuck at 42,000. So unless if Nail thinks to remove the tail, Vegeta brutalizes Nail.
- Nail is skilled enough to beat any of the Ginyu force besides the boss-man himself, even if they have roughly the same power, which they do in my book.
- Kuririn is sporting a power level of 75,000 (I guess the Grand Elder's power unlock has a bit of a delayed effect) which is nearly twice Nail's power. Kuririn wins.
- Nail's regular power surpasses anything that Goku had during his fight with Vegeta, including Kaioken x4. Nail stomps Goku into the ground.
- My made up power levels, peg Piccolo (pre merger) at 60,000. Goku's 90,000 + Kaioken makes this a wash.
- As of Battle of Gods, Goku's base form is less than 100% Freeza, who we know Piccolo has long surpassed. Even with Kaioken, Goku falls short of Piccolo's power.
- Mr Satan is at least a martial artist, whereas Monaka is a deliveryman. Satan wins if just for having some combat training.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Jaco (Dragon Ball Minus) - RaditzDBZ Macky wrote:Who are the strongest characters in the original manga that these guys could beat:
Jaco (Dragon Ball Minus)
Muten Roushi (Current)
Yamcha (Current)
Tenshinhan (Current)
Kuririn (Current)
Yajirobe (Current)
Chiaotzu (Current)
Jaco (Current)
Piccolo (Current)
Base Goku (Current)
Base Gohan (Z-Sword)
Base Gohan (Current)
SSJ2 Gohan (Current)
Muten Roushi (Current) - Raditz
Yamcha (Current) - Second Form Freeza
Tenshinhan (Current) - Third Form Freeza
Kuririn (Current) - Third Form Freeza
Yajirobe (Current) - Saibaman
Chiaotzu (Current) - Guldo
Jaco (Current) - Nappa
Piccolo (Current) - Cell Jr.
Base Goku (Current) - Everybody
Base Gohan (Z-Sword) - Final Form Freeza
Base Gohan (Current) - Final Form Freeza
SSJ2 Gohan (Current) - Kaioshin
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
— My almost completely arbitrary but incredibly accurate power level number for Aka is roughly the same as 50% Freeza, and Trunks isn't quite on that level yet in base. He has a shot if he manages to land a powerful enough attack, but his chances aren't good.In Brightest Day wrote:- Aka vs. Future Trunks (base, vs. Imperfect Cell).
- SSJ Cabba vs. SSJ Future Trunks (Super).
- Cyborg Tao vs. Chi-Chi, Master Roshi and Chaozu (23rd Budokai).
- Imperfect Cell (pre humans absorbed) vs. SSJ Future Trunks (Android arc) and SSJ Future Son Gohan.
- Drum vs. Tenshinhan and Yajirobe (Daimao arc).
- Son Goku (arrival on Namek, no Kaioken) vs. Krillin (vs. Freeza).
- Kaioshin vs. Piccolo (ROF).
- Red Ribbon Army vs. Yamcha (22nd Budokai).
— Super. Pass.
— Chi-Chi and Muten Roshi's raw strength is nothing to sneeze at, and if Chaozu's telekinesis has any effect on Tao Pai Pai, even just slowing him down a bit, I could see them beating him. Take away any of the three of them and they probably lose though.
— You mean Cell when Piccolo fought him at Ginger Town? He's already somewhat stronger than any of the Super Saiyans at this point. Android-arc Goku and Vegeta working together could probably beat him, but this Trunks and Gohan don't quite have enough combined power.
— Considering how badly Tenshinhan got wrecked by Drum, even with Yajirobe helping him I don't think he's got much of a shot here.
— At 90,000, Goku could beat Kuririn's 75,000. But supposedly that was Kuririn's power at the start of the fight, and it was continuing to grow as the fight continued. Kuririn probably broke the 100,000 mark before he died, but probably not by a very big margin, and Goku at 90,000 would still be a serious challenge and possibly win.
— No good way to tell. We don't have an accurate estimate for Kaioshin's power after merging with Kibito, and we don't know how much Piccolo improved in the 6 years between Boo and RF either. If you mean Kaioshin alone and unmerged, then Piccolo's proooobably improved enough to beat him, based on his relative growth rate in the past.
— I don't know what, but SOMETHING ends up killing Yamcha during his campaign against the Red Ribbon Army.
Stalemate. They're both babies. They just end up crawling around instead of fighting.fadeddreams5 wrote:Baby Pan vs. Baby Broly
By my expertly-crafted powah levul numbers estimates, Vegeta ended up in the low 2 million range, and would be roughly equal with 100% Freeza as a Super Saiyan. We know Cold is somewhat weaker than Freeza, probably by a decent chunk, so Vegeta ends up winning a fight between them. Especially if Cold has to transform and buff himself up like Freeza to get anywhere close to that power level.The Monkey King wrote:Hypothetical Namek saga SSJ Vegeta vs King Cold
Eventually, if they avoided any rematches before they were ready. But Trunks was already a Super Saiyan in the manga version, and that didn't stop Gohan from rushing in to fight the Androids in a crisis, so...Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) What if Future Gohan had survived his final battle against the Androids of his time and was able to earn a Zenkai before training with (a now also Super Saiyan) Future Trunks for three years? Would they have become strong enough to defeat Future Android 17 and 18?
Chi-Chi's got a power level comparable to Muten Roshi at the time. Videl gets absolutely wrecked.Power Metal wrote:23rd Tenkaichi Budōkai Chi-Chi vs. 25th Tenkaichi Budōkai Videl?
— If Gohan was able to kick Ginyu-Tagoma's butt while no longer being ultimate and barely capable of going Super Saiyan (assuming there's nothing weird going on like him still being quasi-ultimate in base), then Ginyu-Tagoma's "only" as powerful as someone like Dabra or mid-range Perfect Cell at best. Mr. Boo's at least on a Super Saiyan 2 level, and has his crazy abilities to boot, so he can win pretty easily.In Brightest Day wrote:- Mr. Boo vs. Ginyu-Tagoma.
- Garlic Junior (film 1) vs. Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, Muten Roshi, Chaozu and Yajirobe (beginning of Z).
- SSJ Son Gohan (Boo arc) vs. Future Trunks (vs. Imperfect Cell) and Piccolo (Boo arc).
- Olibu vs. Oob (28th Budokai).
— If Garlic Junior is immortal, the Earthling crew is pretty much boned. But if not, then their combined power, especially from Roshi's Max Power Kamehameha and Tenshinhan's Kikoho, is probably enough to take him down after a long and difficult battle, during which Yamcha probably dies.
— Gohan has a somewhat hard time from being out of practice, but he's almost certainly still got enough of a raw power advantage to win against these two.
— I'm saying Olibu wins. Oob has more power overall, but most of it is still dormant and normally inaccessible to him. Unless Olibu actually wants and tries to force it out of him like Goku did, then he can win against Oob by KO pretty darn quickly.
— Panput's a bit too much for Goku to handle until after Muten Roshi's training, I'd guess.LightBing wrote:Goku (First Arc) vs Panput
King Cold vs Base Vegeta (Cell Games)
Yamcha (Android Arc) vs Kado
— I usually give King Cold some credit and consider his max power to be pushing the 100 million mark. Base Vegeta isn't in that range until the later Majin Boo arc. Cold is simply too much for his Cell Games base self.
— Avo and Kado were both at least around as strong as 1st-form Freeza, while Yamcha is lucky if he ever a tenth as strong as that. He stands no chance.
I'm betting the sheer size and force of the Kikoho is enough to at least nullify the combined Kamehameha, even if it can't punch through it and counterattack them.In Brightest Day wrote:Tenshinhan's Ki-Ko-Ho vs. A combined Kamehameha Wave from Krillin, Yamcha and Muten Roshi (eg Son Gohan, Son Goku and Son Goten from Movie 10).
1) Goku spent that 2-ish years training too, so Vegeta would still be trailing behind him somewhat.Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) A hypothetical Super Saiyan Vegeta (from the Trunks Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (also from the Trunks Saga).
2) Majin Démigra (in the new transformation he utilizes against the heroes in the God Mission 10 animated promo) vs. Super Saiyan Pink Goku Black.
3) Super Saiyan Future Gohan (If he had survived his final battle against the cruel Androids of his future, gained a Zenkai, and trained with Super Saiyan Future Trunks for 3 years) vs. Future Android 17 and Future Android 18.
2) Super and video games. Pass.
3) Didn't you ask this just a few pages ago? Same answer.
Hard to tell since we don't know how much stronger any healing boost may have made Bardock... but unless it made him something like 5x stronger all in one go, the very most he could probably handle is Freeza's 2nd form.Steven Bloodriver wrote:Super Saiyan Bardock (from Episode of Bardock) vs. Fourth Form Frieza (Frieza Saga).
— If Trunks from Super is part of the match-up, then the Super virus spreads from him to the others, and now Super's rules apply to every participant. Which means Goku wins by default.LightBing wrote:Battle Royal of the SSJ2:
Goku(Boo Arc) vs Future Trunks(Super) vs Vegeta (Boo Arc) vs Gohan (Cell Games) - Only one may survive
Damaged SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Kibitoshin
— Merged Kaioshin was on a very high Super Saiyan 2 level in my book, possibly stronger than SS2 Goku and Vegeta but still less useful than them due to his general incompetence. So he could crush the wounded and de-powered Gohan here.
My gut says Goku wins. I don't think Freeza was anything special by Boo-arc standards until he jumped up into his final form. He did beat kill Gohan, but only after Gohan had reverted from Super Saiyan.Anime Kitten wrote:Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Battle of Gods) VS First Form Frieza (Resurrection 'F')
At the rate things were going, Seventeen probably would have won. Piccolo would have to do a lot of damage very early before he started losing stamina, and he was probably already past that point when Cell interrupted their fight.MaxZ wrote:Android 17 VS Piccolo, if their fight in the Cell Arc was allowed to continue (assume no interruption by 18, 16, or Cell)
1) By my astoundingly scientific made-up estimates, base Vegetto is roughly around as strong as SS2 Goku or Vegeta. So "Super Vegeta" here gets totally crushed.Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Base Form Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Super Vegeta (Cell Saga).
2) Base Form Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Majin Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2).
3) Base Form Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).
4) GT Vegeta (Base Form) vs. Base Form Vegeta (Namek Saga).
2) Gogeta is a few levels weaker than Vegetto, though, about as strong as full-power Perfect Cell. I dunno why he got the stronger opponent than Vegetto, but he loses against Majin Vegeta here.
3) Uh... what? Did you mean something else for one of these two, or is this a joke question? Gohan has a power level in the tens of millions and absolutely annihilates Vegeta's mere 18,000 with practically zero effort.
4) GT, and equally confusingly one-sided. Pass.
1) Super Vegetto wins. Official material suggests he's possibly way up there with Super Saiyan 4 Goku, and even if he's not quite at that level, I'm sure it means he's at least approaching it. Form-1 Baby-Vegeta is doomed here.Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Super Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Baby Vegeta (Super Saiyan).
2) Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (Shadow Dragon Saga) vs. Black-Masked Saiyan (Time Breaker Vegeta).
3) Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Great Ape Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).
4) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).
2) I don't know what the deal is with Time Breaker Vegeta but I'm sure the odds are REEEEAAAALLY low that he's stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta.
3) Again with the obviously one-sided fights. Is this on purpose? Super Saiyan 2 Gohan from the Cell Games is literally hundreds of times stronger than Oozaru Vegeta from all the way back in the Saiyan arc.
4) This... is so obvious that it doesn't even need to be answered.
5) Game character, pass.Steven Bloodriver wrote:5) Mira (Base Form) vs. Cell (Super Perfect Form).
6) Super Buu (Base Form) vs. Janemba (Final Form).
7) Frieza (Ultimate Evolution: Golden Form) vs. Goku Black (Base Form).
6) Super Janemba is just one step behind Gotenks- and Gohan-Boo in my book. That's a sizable power advantage over normal Evil Boo, and he's probably smart enough to figure out that Boo needs to be totally eradicated to lose.
7) Super, pass.
1) Uh, Vegeta got his ass kicked by Eighteen, and Sixteen is even stronger than her by a pretty noticeable margin. Vegeta gets stomped.Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Android 16 vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga).
2) A hypothetical Videl (if she had met and was trained by Piccolo for the 7 years following the Cell Games) vs. Majin Spopovitch.
3) Super Saiyan GT Vegeta (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super Buu (Fourth Form Frieza Absorbed).
4) Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Fusion Reborn) vs. Hakaishin Beerus (when the Elder Kai was sealed within the Z Sword).
5) Adult Gohan (Base Form) vs. Nappa.
6) Super Saiyan Future Gohan (Before he received his scars) vs. Majin Ozotto.
7) Cell (Perfect Form) vs. King Cold (in a hypothetical Fifth Form).
2) Training from Piccolo for seven straight years? Videl is cleaning house. Doesn't matter if Spopovich has that freaky zombie-like resilience, he's going to be completely helpless.
3) By normal logic, Vegeta's not going to improve at some fantastically accelerated rate to the point that he can ever match Evil Boo with just Super Saiyan 1 or even 2. By GT Logic, Vegeta wins because everyone in GT is stronger than everyone in Z by default. Freeza's power is insignificant here and makes no difference.
4) Yet another confusingly and hilariously one-sided match-up. Gohan became capable of kicking Nappa's ass the instant the Namekian Grand Elder unlocked his dormant power and he shot up past the 10,000 mark. Gohan became thousands of times stronger between then and the Majin Boo arc. He could eradicate Nappa just by looking at him.
5) Dunno anything about Ozotto. Pass.
6) Another ridiculously one-sided match. Perfect Cell is dozens of times stronger than Cell at least. One extra incrementally powerful form won't change that.
I see them as roughly equals in power, but if you ask me Freeza might actually be at a disadvantage from relying on his relatively crude cybernetics compared to Coola's all-natural and refined power. I'd say the odds are at least slightly in Coola's favor.Anime Kitten wrote:Mecha Frieza (early Androids Saga) VS Final Form Cooler (Cooler's Revenge)
Piccolo's power x50? Man, he shoots all the way through half the Majin Boo arc, but then is only about half as strong as Evil Boo. So that's where he stops on your list.Noah wrote:Hypothetical Super Saiyan Piccolo (Cell Games) runs the gauntlet: How far would he go?
I'd be very surprised if Bardock ended up stronger than about a million. Goku's 3 million would crush him.Anime Kitten wrote:Super Saiyan Bardock (Episode of Bardock) VS Base Goku (Namek Saga)
I'm guessing he might get pretty far in the 21st World Tournament, but get wrecked by Goku or Jackie Chun.Hellspawn28 wrote:Who is the strongest DB character that All Might from My Hero Academia could beat?
— Boo's special abilities are going to give him the edge here.Noah wrote:New matches: (equal power, unlimited stamina)
- Beerus vs Super Boo-han
- Cabba vs Gohan
- Freeza vs Piccolo Daimao
- Hit vs Paikuhan
- Muten Roshi vs Cell
- Raditz vs Nappa
— If it's adult Gohan, I'd say he wins. Rusty skills or not, he's at least got a bigger and stronger physique than kiddie-size Cabba.
— I'd say Freeza wins. King Piccolo was strong for his time and setting, but he's a Dragon-type Namekian and not actually naturally built or suited for battle the way Freeza is. At higher power levels against races other than Earthlings, he'd end up in serious trouble.
— Super, don't care.
— My gut says Cell wins. Not sure why.
— Nappa's built like a freakin' tank. If nothing else, his monstrous physique will give him an edge over Raditz in physical strength and durability.
— Could go either way. I would think Chaozu isn't as strong or fast as Chappa, but his ki skills and extra abilities would probably make up for it.In Brightest Day wrote:- King Chappa vs. Chaozu (22nd Budokai).
- Bojack vs. SSJ Son Gohan (Boo arc) and Kaioshin.
- Bojack's crew (Zangya, Bujin, Gokua, Bido) vs. Kaioshin.
- Grey Boo vs. LSSJ Broli (Second Coming).
- Grey Boo vs. Paikuhan.
- Gurd vs. Son Goku, Piccolo (Saiyan arc) and Nappa.
- Super Boo vs. SSJ3 Gotenks (Cell-Games Future Trunks/28th Budokai Son Goten).
— Gohan definitely couldn't beat Bojack on his own, but with Kaioshin's help he could probably pull it off. Even Gohan's not incompetent enough to lose against an enemy that's immobilized and helpless.
— None of Bojack's posse are quite as strong as Kaioshin, but work great as a group and have some freaky tricks of their own similar to his. Bojack's crew wins.
— Boo's got a little bit of a strength disadvantage, but Broli won't be able to permanently hurt him, and if nothing else Boo can always just absorb him or turn him into a candy. Boo wins in the end one way or another.
— Same here, except this time Boo's the one with an edge in power.
— Pretty sure the trio is boned here. They're all substantially weaker than Gohan and Kuririn are, and Gurd already had them dead if not for Vegeta's interference. Their only slim hope is for Goku to pull off a multi-fold Kaio-Ken by surprise (anything over the standard x2 would make him much stronger than Gohan and Kuririn were) and blitz Gurd before he can even react.
— It'd probably unfold about the same way as Boo's fight with the real Gotenks in the main story. This Gotenks' strength advantage might be a tiny bit greater, but not enough to make a major difference.
I normally don't bother with Super match-ups but this one is easy. Zamasu is a combat prodigy by Kaioshin standards, and was able to fight evenly against Super Saiyan 2 Goku. Even if Goku wasn't utilizing godly power in their fight, it's still been years since the Majin Boo arc and he'd be at least moderately stronger since then. Dabra, meanwhile, could barely stalemate a rusty Super Saiyan 1 Gohan. The Demon King gets his red behind kicked over the horizon.Polyphase Avatron wrote:Zamasu vs. Dabura
Gohan and Kuririn's 14k and 13k power levels don't quite match Vegeta's 18k or even Goku's 16k with the Kaio-Ken, but unlike Goku this is their normal power rather than something limited to fleeting bursts, and it's 2-vs-1. I think the midget duo comes out on top after a very tough battle.Krillin1994 wrote:Gohan and Krillin (Ginyu Force fight) vs Vegeta (Saiyan saga)
My incredibly arbitrary number for Piccolo upon his arrival on Namek is 35,000. So the farthest he could get is beating Vegeta and then MAYBE Recoome if he fights smart enough.DBZ Macky wrote:Piccolo (Just before fusing with nail) VS. All of these (Healed after every fight)...
By merging with Nail, of course.DBZ Macky wrote:Also, How would Piccolo get strong enough to face any of these?
— Movie 8 Broli is outmatched. He's about the same in raw power as transformed Bojack, whose crew can do enough to slow him down and make him an easy target for their boss. But Movie 10 Broli tears through all of them even more easily than SS2 Gohan did.LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Broly Vs bojack+crew
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By GT Logic, both versions of Oob can beat anyone and everyone from DBZ.In Brightest Day wrote:- Who is the strongest character that Oob (beginning of DBGT) could beat in the original Manga?
- Who is the Strongest character that Super Oob (Baby arc) could beat in the original Manga?
By normal logic, I figure normal Oob's probably caught up and reached his default amount of Pure Boo power, so his evil past-life counterpart is probably the strongest person he could beat. But if Boo's regeneration and unpredictability gets the best of him, then the second-place possible loser is his master's younger Super Saiyan 3 self.
As for Super Oob, my best guess is that he's got a good chunk more power than Evil Boo, since he's essentially made of the same parts, except being pure-hearted the Kaioshin influence isn't going to hold him back at all, and would more likely grant him even more power. So I could see him being on-par with Gotenks- or Gohan-Boo, but probably not a match for Super Vegetto.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
DBZ Macky wrote:Who are the strongest characters in the original manga that these guys could beat:
Jaco (Dragon Ball Minus)
Muten Roushi (Current)
Yamcha (Current)
Tenshinhan (Current)
Kuririn (Current)
Yajirobe (Current)
Chiaotzu (Current)
Jaco (Current)
Piccolo (Current)
Base Goku (Current)
Base Gohan (Z-Sword)
Base Gohan (Current)
SSJ2 Gohan (Current)
- Probably 21st TB Goku.
- Raditz i guess.
- I reckon Yamcha, along with the other humans reached the Million range by the Android Arc, he can beat 2nd Form Freeza with medium difficulty.
- Probably Freeza Arc Goku (With no Kaiou-ken).
- Same as Tenshinhan.
- Yajirobe is a lazy fat bastard who probably never trained since he trained in the preparation for the Saiyan's arrival long ago, but he's still strong enough to beat beginning of Z Goku.
- Same as Yamcha.
- Probably Raditz.
- I'm still having a hard putting the likes of current Piccolo due to the confusing tournament Arc. But Piccolo (before he trained with Gohan) was implied to have surpassed Goten and Trunks, which i have in the same realm with FPSSj Kid Gohan in the Cell Games in terms of power. So I'd say Piccolo (RoF Arc) is already strong enough to take down Perfect Cell.
- Assault Form Frost. Base Goku fought on par with in the tournament, but he got significantly stronger in the Trunks Arc.
- Probably Base Goku in the Cell Games.
- I dunno.
- I dunno.
But Jaco in Minus was heavily suggested to be weaker than an adult Saiyan.Lord Beerus wrote: Jaco (Dragon Ball Minus) - Raditz
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Kid buu, maybeIn Brightest Day wrote:- Who is the strongest character that Oob (beginning of DBGT) could beat in the original Manga?
- Who is the Strongest character that Super Oob (Baby arc) could beat in the original Manga?
He is inverted Super buu , actually, I think he can beat buff buu and mystic gohan as well, at the same time. He should be around strong enough to put up a fight against buutenks but losing (if buutenks is serious).
Piccolo won't even need to think to fight ginyu, he will straight up embarrass him in a fight.DBZ Macky wrote:To all the guys saying Piccolo could even think about fighting Ginyu, How would you explain such an enormous gain in such a short time? Also, how about giving your thoughts on his ridiculous gains in the beginning of the artificial humans arc while you're at it?
Anyways, new matches for my favourite race:
-Piccolo Daimao VS Muten Roushi (Current)
-Nameless Namekian / Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Raditz
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Piccolo (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Piccolo Daimao Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Giant Son of Katatz (Saiyan Arc) VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc) (Raw power fight)
-Nail VS Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
-Nail VS Rikuum
-Nail Vs Butta
-Nail VS Krillin(From when he fights Freeza)
-Nail VS Goku (Saiyan Saga)
-Piccolo (Namek Saga) VS Goku (Namek Saga)
-Piccolo (Buu Saga) VS Base Goku (With access to Kaioken)
And the fight of the century
-Monaka VS Mr. Satan
My thought on piccolo's gains? His gains have always been huge.
- Roshi just edges out barely.
- Piccolo should comfortably win. Thanks to eternal youth, and the implication that pre split piccolo >> any saiyan (maybe not vegeta), he should win even if raditz goes ape.
- See above answer for details.
- I think vegeta might be too much for the namekian, as he is not a regular saiyan but a prodigy of his race.
- See above
- See above
- Ozaru vegeta will have power level of 180,000, strong enough to one shot nail. However, if we're talking about weakened Ozaru vegeta from the manga, then I think they might be close in power. With Nail's regen & skill thanks to being a warrior namekan, and ability to sense and manipulate ki, he might edge out a win here.
- Nail beats the big guy with some trouble, thanks to a little raw power advantage as well as better skill and regen.
- Same as above, but gets more trouble due to speed.
- Krillin chops him in half.
- Goku doesn't stand an atom's chance in the universe.
- Piccolo pre fusion vs goku pre zenkai? Goku uses kaioken x3 and one-shots piccolo with ease.
- Piccolo effortlessly stomps.
- Master (satan) one shots the student (monaka)
No he does not say anything like that. He says that son of kataz should not have lost to a saiyan (unless he was super saiyan). And Nappa was the strongest saiyan at that time, barring vegeta, who is a prodigy in his race. Since Nappa was commander in chief of saiyans, it is reasonable to assume that he was one of the strongest saiyans even before freeza blew the planet up.Krillin1994 wrote:In the Namek arc Guru says the nameless Namekian could beat Frieza and this is before his fusion with nail.
Don't know about minus.DBZ Macky wrote:Who are the strongest characters in the original manga that these guys could beat:
Jaco (Dragon Ball Minus)
Muten Roushi (Current)
Yamcha (Current)
Tenshinhan (Current)
Kuririn (Current)
Yajirobe (Current)
Chiaotzu (Current)
Jaco (Current)
Piccolo (Current)
Base Goku (Current)
Base Gohan (Z-Sword)
Base Gohan (Current)
SSJ2 Gohan (Current)
New Matches:
-Jaco VS Galactic King (The higher position should be stronger right?)
-Jaco VS Muten Roushi
-Goku (In BOG with 5 Saiyan's Ki) VS Vegeta (Raging)
-Base Vegeta (ROF) VS Vegeta (BOG, Raging)
-Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc) VS Vegeta (Raging)
-Monaka VS Farmer with shotgun (Does he need to use his weapon, Is it enough to kill him?)
-Oolong VS Puar
23rd budokai Krillin.
The ginyus.
His own cell games self.
Buu arc tenshinhan.
Maybe BoZ Tenshinhan
Jaco barely beats piccolo daimao.
Buuhan
Yakon
Current gohan can take on in base I believe super perfect cell.
There is no current SS2 gohan. If he was, he'd one-shot everyone in the manga (except vegetto, whom he beats with difficulty)
- Roshi
- Goku very easily
- Vegeta
- Vegeta one-shots and gohan explodes
- Farmer gunshots
- Puar
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Gohan and Kuririn (At the start of the Freeza fight) vs. Kaiou-ken Goku (Against Ginyu)
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Unless Goku can go farther than Kaioken x2, Gohan and Kuririn win. Gohan is rocking a 200,000 power level at the start of the Freeza battle, which beats out Kaioken Goku's 180,000, and he has Kuririn for back-up.Khin wrote:Gohan and Kuririn (At the start of the Freeza fight) vs. Kaiou-ken Goku (Against Ginyu)
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But ssj1 gohan blocked and dodged several hits from bjoack+his crew all at once....do you think Gohan could block several of broly's hits, even if broly didn't have a whole crew helping him? I don't see see bjoack as broly tier. dude tanked everything and evaded everything, bjoack was like dabura. said he was the best but did nothing but do cheap shit. Gohan does MUCH better vs bjoack then broly (with help vs broly to boot)Kaboom wrote:<Ridiculously long post snipped, I mean come on now, seriously.>
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I don't think Movie 8 Gohan is as strong as his Cell Games or Movie 9 self. Goku seems to be strongest in Movie 8, which definitely wasn't the case in the Cell Games, so I treat it as one of those deals like Movie 3 where everyone's somewhere kind of in-between the power levels they had at certain portions of the main story.LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:But ssj1 gohan blocked and dodged several hits from bjoack+his crew all at once....do you think Gohan could block several of broly's hits, even if broly didn't have a whole crew helping him? I don't see see bjoack as broly tier. dude tanked everything and evaded everything, bjoack was like dabura. said he was the best but did nothing but do cheap shit. Gohan does MUCH better vs bjoack then broly (with help vs broly to boot)
So even though I see M8 Broli and Bojack as rough equals, Broli looks stronger because he was beating up on substantially weaker versions of the heroes, including Gohan.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
1) Teen Gohan (if he was a Bio-Android clone of Piccolo, Gohan, and Frieza that had received a Super Perfect-style Zenkai before facing the Saiyan Prince) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (if he had transformed during the Frieza Saga and trained for almost a year).
2) Teen Gohan (if he was a Bio-Android clone of Piccolo, Gohan, and Frieza that had received training from Goku, Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, and Tien for the years between Age 762 and until the arrival of Black in Age 797) vs. Goku Black (when he first arrived on Earth).
3) Teen Gohan (if he was a Bio-Android clone of Piccolo, Gohan, and Frieza that had received a power boost by absorbing Goku Black's bio-extract) vs. Legendary Super Saiyan Broly (if he survived and was given a Zenkai after being blasted into the Sun).
2) Teen Gohan (if he was a Bio-Android clone of Piccolo, Gohan, and Frieza that had received training from Goku, Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, and Tien for the years between Age 762 and until the arrival of Black in Age 797) vs. Goku Black (when he first arrived on Earth).
3) Teen Gohan (if he was a Bio-Android clone of Piccolo, Gohan, and Frieza that had received a power boost by absorbing Goku Black's bio-extract) vs. Legendary Super Saiyan Broly (if he survived and was given a Zenkai after being blasted into the Sun).
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Ummm,Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Teen Gohan (if he was a Bio-Android clone of Piccolo, Gohan, and Frieza that had received a Super Perfect-style Zenkai before facing the Saiyan Prince) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (if he had transformed during the Frieza Saga and trained for almost a year).
2) Teen Gohan (if he was a Bio-Android clone of Piccolo, Gohan, and Frieza that had received training from Goku, Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, and Tien for the years between Age 762 and until the arrival of Black in Age 797) vs. Goku Black (when he first arrived on Earth).
3) Teen Gohan (if he was a Bio-Android clone of Piccolo, Gohan, and Frieza that had received a power boost by absorbing Goku Black's bio-extract) vs. Legendary Super Saiyan Broly (if he survived and was given a Zenkai after being blasted into the Sun).
Gotta go with "Gohan" lol
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To be fair, he effortlessly took down Freeza's mooks in ROF, who I'd rank as on par with adult Saiyans. And there's nothing to really indicate that Jaco trained or got stronger from Minus to ROF.Khin wrote:But Jaco in Minus was heavily suggested to be weaker than an adult Saiyan.Lord Beerus wrote: Jaco (Dragon Ball Minus) - Raditz
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While I don't have much to base this on, I'd say that Raditz was on the high end of the nameless mook tier, and that the vast majority of Freeza's goons don't even reach 1,000, like those guys that Kuririn and Gohan one-shotted after they arrived on Namek. Not only that, but by the time Resurrection F rolls around, Freeza's army has grown weak and pathetic without their boss around. Not only that, but I believe Jaco was specifically targeting the weakest of the bunch, and was using a lot of evasion and sneaky tactics.Lord Beerus wrote:To be fair, he effortlessly took down Freeza's mooks in ROF, who I'd rank as on par with adult Saiyans. And there's nothing to really indicate that Jaco trained or got stronger from Minus to ROF.Khin wrote:But Jaco in Minus was heavily suggested to be weaker than an adult Saiyan.Lord Beerus wrote: Jaco (Dragon Ball Minus) - Raditz
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The implication that he got stronger is exactly what you said: him dispatching Freeza's mooks in RoF (Movie Version). Although Jaco didn't even fight in Super, all he did was took down a single off-guard soldier. And hid along with Bulma when Freeza's soldiers attacked Gohan and co, so it's entirely possible that Jaco in Super isn't as strong as he was in the movie version.Lord Beerus wrote:To be fair, he effortlessly took down Freeza's mooks in ROF, who I'd rank as on par with adult Saiyans. And there's nothing to really indicate that Jaco trained or got stronger from Minus to ROF.
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Yamcha, Goku and Kuririn (End of the first arc) vs Gyuumaou
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Something tells me that even if they all team up, the heroes get schooled by Gyumao. In fact, I bet the only thing in their arsenal that could hurt him at all would be Goku's Kamehameha, and even then, I doubt it would be enough to finish him off.LightBing wrote:Yamcha, Goku and Kuririn (End of the first arc) vs Gyuumaou
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