The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Noah]

New matches:

Goku Black runs the gauntlet:

- Super Perfect Cell

- Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Cell Games)

- Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta

- Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Boo Arc)

- Fat Boo

- Super Gotenks

- Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Boo Arc)

[Khin]

New matches:

Goku Black runs the gauntlet:

- Super Perfect Cell

- Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Cell Games)

- Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta

- Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Boo Arc)

- Fat Boo

- Super Gotenks

- Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Boo Arc)

Black should be at the very least as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku in the Trunks Arc. The Goku that trained with Whis, trained in the RoSaT for 3 years, and got even significantly stronger since the Tournament Arc. He's way stronger than BoG Arc SSj3 Goku and would clear the gauntlet easily.

[MaxZ]

Pui-pui VS Captain Ginyu (Frieza Saga)

[MaxZ]

New matches:

Goku Black runs the gauntlet:

- Super Perfect Cell

- Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Cell Games)

- Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta

- Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Boo Arc)

- Fat Boo

- Super Gotenks

- Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Boo Arc)

can't get past fat Buu or maaaybe he stops at Gotenks.

also Gotenks should be above SSJ3 Goku.

[Khin]

Pui-pui VS Captain Ginyu (Frieza Saga)

Pui-Pui stomps. I consider him to be at least stronger than 1st Form Freeza on Namek to give the ''Babidi gathers only strong warriors throughout the Universe'' a bit more meaning.

[apex_pretador]

Yamcha, Goku and Kuririn (End of the first arc) vs Gyuumaou

21st TB? That time either one can slaughter except yamcha.
Pre 21st TB? I don;t see anyone of them taking him down, even as a team they lose.

Kamehameha will hurt him a bit but that's it.

New matches:

Goku Black runs the gauntlet:

- Super Perfect Cell

- Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Cell Games)

- Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta

- Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Boo Arc)

- Fat Boo

- Super Gotenks

- Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Boo Arc)

His fingertap clears this list with ease then he goes on to effortlessly one-shot buutenks, buuhan and super vegetto.

Pui-pui VS Captain Ginyu (Frieza Saga)

Ginyu puts his fist through pui pui.

Pui-pui VS Captain Ginyu (Frieza Saga)

Pui-Pui stomps. I consider him to be at least stronger than 1st Form Freeza on Namek to give the ''Babidi gathers only strong warriors throughout the Universe'' a bit more meaning.

And ginyu was one of the strongest beings in the universe too, plus pui pui was the weakest of babidi's group. Not saying he has to be weaker than ginyu but that's just my opinion.

[Khin]

And ginyu was one of the strongest beings in the universe too, plus pui pui was the weakest of babidi's group. Not saying he has to be weaker than ginyu but that's just my opinion.

Yeah i know. But going by Daizenshuu 7: Babidi gathers evil beings throughout the entire universe as he sees fit. I assume ''he sees fit'' are those strong enough and using the kiri thing to determine their strength. That's why i put Pui-Pui stronger than 1st Form Freeza (And possibly a suppressed King Cold).

[apex_pretador]

And ginyu was one of the strongest beings in the universe too, plus pui pui was the weakest of babidi's group. Not saying he has to be weaker than ginyu but that's just my opinion.

Yeah i know. But going by Daizenshuu 7: Babidi gathers evil beings throughout the entire universe as he sees fit. I assume ''he sees fit'' are those strong enough and using the kiri thing to determine their strength. That's why i put Pui-Pui stronger than 1st Form Freeza (And possibly a suppressed King Cold).

It is entirely possible that he never encountered freeza or king cold. After all, cap ginyu was 5th most powerful guy in the universe (behind freeza, cold, Yakon, Dabra). [Atleast 6-7th even if you cinsider pui pui stronger]

Now, to think about it, U6's any warrior warrior , besides maybe botamo, would've solo'd U7 easily 30 years ago.

[Khin]

It is entirely possible that he never encountered freeza or king cold. After all, cap ginyu was 5th most powerful guy in the universe (behind freeza, cold, Yakon, Dabra). [Atleast 6-7th even if you cinsider pui pui stronger]

Although it's entirely possible that Babidi encountered met Freeza or Cold; i really doubt it. Cold and Freeza are wildly known galactic emperors that even the Kaioshin know who they are, i highly doubt Babidi, who lived for millions of years didn't find or heard of them.

[apex_pretador]

It is entirely possible that he never encountered freeza or king cold. After all, cap ginyu was 5th most powerful guy in the universe (behind freeza, cold, Yakon, Dabra). [Atleast 6-7th even if you cinsider pui pui stronger]

Although it's entirely possible that Babidi encountered met Freeza or Cold; i really doubt he never encountered or even heard of them. Cold and Freeza are wildly known galactic emperors that even the Kaioshin know who they are, i highly doubt Babidi didn't find or heard of them when he traveled throughout the Universe to find strong demonic warriors.

He did not even have the slightest idea about the death of multi-galactic emperor, otherwise he'd have gone to namek or earth sooner.

Also he had dabura on his side so I doubt he even cared.

[Khin]

He did not even have the slightest idea about the death of multi-galactic emperor, otherwise he'd have gone to namek or earth sooner.

King Cold didn't even know his son was defeated until his mooks found Freeza's body. So i doubt Babidi knew they died, and as you said, he had Dabra who is way stronger than both Cold and Freeza, so he probably just doesn't give a crap about it if he indeed knew it.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

But ssj1 gohan blocked and dodged several hits from bjoack+his crew all at once....do you think Gohan could block several of broly's hits, even if broly didn't have a whole crew helping him? I don't see see bjoack as broly tier. dude tanked everything and evaded everything, bjoack was like dabura. said he was the best but did nothing but do cheap shit. Gohan does MUCH better vs bjoack then broly (with help vs broly to boot)

I don't think Movie 8 Gohan is as strong as his Cell Games or Movie 9 self. Goku seems to be strongest in Movie 8, which definitely wasn't the case in the Cell Games, so I treat it as one of those deals like Movie 3 where everyone's somewhere kind of in-between the power levels they had at certain portions of the main story.

So even though I see M8 Broli and Bojack as rough equals, Broli looks stronger because he was beating up on substantially weaker versions of the heroes, including Gohan.

Even if you believe gohan ssj1>ssj1 goku and it wasn't just nonsense beign said, goku wouild still fight better. why? He's a smarter fighter. cell put in more effort for goku and did wrose then fighting gohan because, if gohan IS stronger then its because goku would win in a fight between the 2 of them. his power maybe be slightly less, but he uses it much better. a man with a pistol can beat a group with rockets if he's skilled enough, plus it clearly is cell games gohan and goku there. If it wasn't then they wouldn't have the outfits and gohan wouldn't look just like his cell games ssj1 self.

broly>bojack+crew>gohan>bojack withouthelp and cheap tricks.

[Kamiccolo9]

I love that hilarious disclaimer in your signature, yet you keep going back to arguments that you, and only you, have been making for over a year now, in the same semi-broken English, with the same exact tone. You're not fooling anyone, man.

Gohan is much stronger than Goku during the Cell Games. Goku flat-out tells us this. You are the only person on this forum who does not seem to get that.

[DanielSSJ]

Even if you believe gohan ssj1>ssj1 goku and it wasn't just nonsense beign said, goku wouild still fight better. why? He's a smarter fighter. cell put in more effort for goku and did wrose then fighting gohan because, if gohan IS stronger then its because goku would win in a fight between the 2 of them. his power maybe be slightly less, but he uses it much better. a man with a pistol can beat a group with rockets if he's skilled enough, plus it clearly is cell games gohan and goku there. If it wasn't then they wouldn't have the outfits and gohan wouldn't look just like his cell games ssj1 self.

broly>bojack+crew>gohan>bojack withouthelp and cheap tricks.

Gohan was definitely stronger than Goku during the Cell Games, and was skilled enough make that power difference matter. Gohan strait-up admits that he thought Goku was holding back because he thought their fight didn't look that intense, not to mention that he was constantly baffled by how impressed everyone was with Goku's power. The only problem was Gohan's hesitancy.

As far as Movie 8 goes, there is evidence to suggest that it isn't taking place during the Cell Games, namely that Goku and Gohan weren't constantly in their Super Saiyan forms, like they were during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games. More evidence includes how lackadaisical everyone is. The Z Fighters might be up for having a picnic and going about their business during the days leading up to what might be Armageddon, but the rest of the world sure-as-hell isn't. There's no way that private school would be holding an open house for the parents if the Cell Games were happening some time in the next week. What's more, the power difference between Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks doesn't seem at all massive in the movie like it was during the Cell Games, and Gohan seems to be the weakest of the Super Saiyans, which we know isn't the case in the actual continuity.

All this adds up to Movie 8 taking place in some weird reality were the main characters defeated Cell earlier than in the manga and ended up weaker than they were by the end of the arc. I guess Trunks beat Stage 2 Cell before he could absorb No.18 and Mr. Popo let Goku and Gohan know about it before they completed the year within the Room of Spirit and Time.

[Noah]

Black should be at the very least as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku in the Trunks Arc. The Goku that trained with Whis, trained in the RoSaT for 3 years, and got even significantly stronger since the Tournament Arc. He's way stronger than BoG Arc SSj3 Goku and would clear the gauntlet easily.

Very coherent response, I thought of something similar too.

can't get past fat Buu or maaaybe he stops at Gotenks.

also Gotenks should be above SSJ3 Goku.

I have SSJ Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku at the same level (maybe), but thanks for the answer

His fingertap clears this list with ease then he goes on to effortlessly one-shot buutenks, buuhan and super vegetto.

Black is not God-tier (same with Piccolo and Trunks), stop assuming such travesty.

[apex_pretador]

His fingertap clears this list with ease then he goes on to effortlessly one-shot buutenks, buuhan and super vegetto.

Black is not God-tier (same with Piccolo and Trunks), stop assuming such travesty.

He doesn't need to be god tier to one-shot these guys.
He matched and overpowered SS2 goku , who in base is far more powerful than SS3 gotenks and likely base vegetto, hence making SS2 goku above SS2 Vegetto.

EDIT: It is also backed by implications of final form freeza and initial beerus (BoG) being that level.

[Khin]

SSj2 Future Trunks (Anime) vs. Zamasu

[apex_pretador]

SSj2 Future Trunks (Anime) vs. Zamasu

Zamasu smashes. Trunks hasn't done anything to put him in the same ballpark as Goku.

[Lord Beerus]

SSj2 Future Trunks (Anime) vs. Zamasu

To be fair, we haven't really seen the full extent of Zamasu's power to make a definite judgement of how strong he is. But for now, I'd say Futre Trunks pragmatic style of combat would see his come out as the victor in this battle.

[DBZ Macky]

Base Trunks (Manga, Current) VS Base Goku (Current)
Gohan (BoG) VS Goku (BoG)
SSJ3 Gotenks (BoG) VS SSJ3 Goku (BoG)
Raging Vegeta (Bog) VS Vegeta (Current, Without SSJB)
Base Gohan (Current) VS Piccolo (Current)
SSJ Gohan (Current) VS Piccolo (Current)
Vados VS Whis