Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Khin]

I see no reason why Goku's base shouldn't be a God tier in ROF Arc.

No way Piccolo's anywhere near the God levels.

His Makankossapo destroyed the barrier of the arena in which Champa's blast didn't even scratch.Unless you believe Piccolo's Makankossapo become like 1 Million times stronger or something.And it wouldn't make sense for Champa to fire a weak blast to test it.

[ssbgoku]

I see no reason why Goku's base shouldn't be a God tier in ROF Arc.

No way Piccolo's anywhere near the God levels.

His Makankossapo destroyed the barrier of the arena in which Champa's blast didn't even scratch.Unless you believe Piccolo's Makankossapo become like 1 Million times stronger or something.And it wouldn't make sense for Champa to fire a weak blast to test it.

He may just fire the blast with power exceeding all his universe 6 team members, simple as that. Also considering how "weak" goku and vegeta were looking while wearing heavy clothes champa would consider them strongest of beerus team so just need to use stronger blast then his army.

This or he just understimated vados lol

[Khin]

He may just fire the blast with power exceeding all his universe 6 team members, simple as that. Also considering how "weak" goku and vegeta were looking while wearing heavy clothes champa would consider them strongest of beerus team so just need to use stronger blast then his army.

This or he just understimated vados lol

Unless of course all the Universe 6 guys will be a fodder to Monaka.

[Chillekasper]

What do you people think about piccolo's power? I think it will be this:

Beerus: 10
(Base) Goku 3
SSJ Goku 4,5
SSB Goku 7.0
Frost 1 form 2,5
Frost aasault 3,2
Frost final form 4
Piccolo 3,5

And if Gohan would be in the tournament than he would be even with Frost final form:

(Mystic/SSJ) Gohan 4


For the coming fights, I think Vegeta is stronger than Goku. So his level would be:

(Base) Vegeta 3.2
SSJ Vegeta 5.0
SSB Vegeta 7.5

Wait so now people think Piccolo is x3-4 SSJ3??????????
Adding to you chart above
Rage boost SSJ Vegeta 0.9
Goku SSJ3 0.5-0.8

Seriously this whole Super thing has COMPLETELY shattered power level gauges to the point where training, transforming, and supposed God tier literally mean nothing. At this point I think we should all just start fresh and assume everyone has a fair shot to beat anyone else and completely ignore all the lore we've had for the past 20 years. It seems the writers are already doing that.

Yes, I think Piccolo grown in power. It would be strange that only Goku and Vegeta would grown that much in power and Piccolo/Gohan dont. They have traint hard for months, so it won't be strange that they grown in they'r power.

[Chillekasper]

I see no reason why Goku's base shouldn't be a God tier in ROF Arc.

No way Piccolo's anywhere near the God levels.

His Makankossapo destroyed the barrier of the arena in which Champa's blast didn't even scratch.Unless you believe Piccolo's Makankossapo become like 1 Million times stronger or something.And it wouldn't make sense for Champa to fire a weak blast to test it.

Yes I also think it isn't as strong near God level. But I really think it would be much stronger than Frost. So if Frost is like 4, than Piccolo's Makankossapo would be like 4,5-5.0.

[Khin]

Yes I also think it isn't as strong near God level. But I really think it would be much stronger than Frost. So if Frost is like 4, than Piccolo's Makankossapo would be like 4,5-5.0.

Piccolo's Makankossapo against Raditz become like 5x stronger so it shouldn't be impossible for his Makankossapo against Frost to be way stronger.So i believe the Makankossapo he used against Frost is even stronger than Champa.Something like :

Goku : 4.5
-- Super Saiyan : 6.75
-- Super Saiyan Blue : 9

Frost : 4.5
-- Final Form : 5.4
-- Tired : 4.8

Piccolo : 4
-- Makankossapo : 12

Champa : 9.9

[Chillekasper]

Yes I also think it isn't as strong near God level. But I really think it would be much stronger than Frost. So if Frost is like 4, than Piccolo's Makankossapo would be like 4,5-5.0.

Piccolo's Makankossapo against Raditz become like 5x stronger so it shouldn't be impossible for his Makankossapo against Frost to be way stronger.So i believe the Makankossapo he used against Frost is even stronger than Champa.Something like :

Goku : 4.5
-- Super Saiyan : 6.75
-- Super Saiyan Blue : 9

Frost : 4.5
-- Final Form : 5.4
-- Tired : 4.8

Piccolo : 4
-- Makankossapo : 12

Champa : 9.9

Lol I think that is overdone. I agree that Piccolo's special beamcannon is much stronger than his own powerlevel. But nog like that.

[Khin]

Lol I think that is overdone. I agree that Piccolo's special beamcannon is much stronger than his own powerlevel. But nog like that.

Unless debunked,i ain't changing it.

[ShinTenshin]

Frost completely toy with Piccolo, that's insane.
He can kill him in no time but prefer take his time.
When he pierce the legs, he could easily pierce the heart.
The supercharged Makankosappo can pierce Frost like the super weak sorbet pierce SSBLUE Goku, that's not related to strength.

With a serious opponent, Piccolo can't charge and is useless, seems Goku think he is far weaker than him (base).
The fight was like a child that torture an ant, Frost was not serious at all.
No one talk about a power up so he is better but not so much.

[Khin]

Goku stated that Piccolo could at least wear down Frost.So there's that.No way in hell Piccolo is way below Frost.

[Birusu16]

Piccolo's SBC isn't anywhere near the level of Champa and Beerus let alone above them. To even suggest such a claim you'd need to prove that Champa was using 100% of his strength when firing those ki blasts at the barrier, which absolutely nothing suggests. People need to stop trying to inflate power levels.

[Khin]

Piccolo's SBC isn't anywhere near the level of Champa and Beerus let alone above them.To even suggest such a claim you'd need to prove that Champa was using 100% of his strength when firing those ki blasts at the barrier, which absolutely nothing suggests.

Why would Champa fire a test blast way weaker than him ? Unless he think no one in Universe 6 is even close to his power.And if we say that,then they would be a complete fodder against Monaka.As i said before,until debunked,i won't change it.There's no evidence to suggest that the Makankossapo is way weaker than Champa either.

[Birusu16]

Why would Champa fire a test blast way weaker than him ?

Oh I don't know. Maybe because he sees himself as the strongest in his universe with nobody close to his level. Pretty much like Beerus. He has no reason to think anybody from his universe bar Vados is anywhere near as powerful as him.

Unless he think no one in Universe 6 is even close to his power.

Already explained above.

And if we say that,then they would be a complete fodder against Monaka.

All of U6 have been complete fodder in terms of raw power for any U7 god tier fighter. Goku was leagues above Botamo. Goku was leagues above Frost. The only way they've been competitive thus far is through special abilities and cheating. So yes, it's entirely possible all of U6 would be complete fodder against Monaka.

As i said before,until debunked,i won't change it.There's no evidence to suggest that the Makankossapo is way weaker than Champa either.

There's nothing to debunk because you haven't proven anything. To suggest such a ridiculous claim like Piccolo's SBC being stronger than Champa or Beerus would require proof that Champa used 100% of his full power when he fired those ki blasts at the barrier. Something that isn't implied or stated ANYWHERE.

Whether you decided to change it or not is irrelevant, the facts are that there's no evidence that Champa used 100% of his full power when firing those ki blasts and thus the assumption that Piccolo's SBC is stronger than Champa and Beerus because it pierced a barrier that Champa's ki blasts couldn't is completely baseless.

[dbgtFO]

Why would Champa fire a test blast way weaker than him ? Unless he think no one in Universe 6 is even close to his power.

Why wouldn't he? He thought Beerus' best fighters would be "severely hindered by heavy suits base Goku and base Vegeta." All he'd need is something decently above that scrub tier.

And if we say that, then they would be a complete fodder against Monaka.

No. It doesn't matter what Champa may speculate about. We've just been told Vados was in charge of recruiting and Champa was utterly amazed at Frost having a final form. Nothing says he has any idea about how strong his fighters are. He may have been told of Botamo's ability beforehand though.

[Khin]

- Oh I don't know. Maybe because he sees himself as the strongest in his universe with nobody close to his level. Pretty much like Beerus. He has no reason to think anybody from his universe bar Vados is anywhere near as powerful as him.

- All of U6 has been complete fodder in terms of raw power for any god tier fighter. Goku was leagues above Botamo. Goku was leagues above Frost. The only way they've been competitive thus far is through special abilities and cheating. So yes, it's entirely possible all of U6 would be complete fodder against Monaka.

- There's nothing to debunk because you haven't proven anything. To suggest such a ridiculous claim like Piccolo's SBC being stronger than Champa or Beerus would require proof that Champa used 100% of his full power when he fired those ki blasts at the barrier. Something that isn't implied or stated ANYWHERE.

• What ? Beerus knows Monaka is close to his power.
• Didn't you see Hit's reaction to SSj Goku ? That alone proves that he's atleast stronger than him.And no.And nothing suggest that all Universe 6 team have
• special abilities either.And Botamo and Frost being weaker than Goku doesn't make all the Universe 6 fighters also weaker than Goku.That's like saying all the Universe 7 team are the same league as Majin Boo.
• You're saying that i make ridiculous claim.Yet,you yourself have also been doing it.And where was it implied that the blast that Champa fired is not his full power ? Piccolo's Makankossapo against Raditz become like 5x stronger than his PL,i see no reason to assume why the same thing couldn't happen against Frost.

So please.If you gonna call someone as making ''ridiculous claim''.At least post something,that actually debunk it rather than also making claims.There's nothing that contradicts both claims.And as i said,unless proven wrong.I won't change it.

[Khin]

- Why wouldn't he? He thought Beerus' best fighters would be "severely hindered by heavy suits base Goku and base Vegeta." All he'd need is something decently above that scrub tier.

• Champa saying both Goku and Vegeta are scrubs and having an easy victory doesn't mean he's going to bring people just above them.It could mean that he's going to get an easy victory considering how many strong guys his universe has.And it was stated in episode 34 that they recruit people who would defitiely win.Which means they're picking the best fighters in their universe.Not to mention in the manga,Vados states that they're the strongest in our universe

Edit : Sorry for double posting.Now i can't delete it.

[Birusu16]

What ? Beerus knows Monaka is close to his power.

And that applies to Champa how?

Didn't you see Hit's reaction to SSj Goku ? That alone proves that he's atleast stronger than him.

No it doesn't. You're making more assumptions that aren't supported in anyway. And being stronger than SS Goku doesn't put you anywhere near the level of Champa and Beerus. Goku and Vegeta's top strength is SSB, which is still significantly below the likes of Champa and Beerus.

And no.And nothing suggest that all Universe 6 team have [*]special abilities either.And Botamo and Frost being weaker than Goku doesn't make all the Universe 6 fighters also weaker than Goku.That's like saying all the Universe 7 team are the same league as Majin Boo.

Where did I say all of U6 has special abilities? I said the only way they've been competitive THUS FAR (meaning Botamo and Frost) is through special abilities and cheating. In raw power they've been hopelessly outclassed. It's entirely possible that it's the same way for the rest of U6. I never said it was certain.

You're saying that i make ridiculous claim.Yet,you yourself have also been doing it.And where was it implied that the blast that Champa fired is not his full power ? Piccolo's Makankossapo against Raditz become like 5x stronger than his PL,i see no reason to assume why the same thing couldn't happen against Frost.

Burden of proof exists for a reason. It's YOU making the claim that Piccolo's SBC exceeds the power of Beerus and Champa meaning it's on YOU to present evidence in order to prove that. You haven't done so. All you've done is assume Champa used 100% of his full power when firing those ki blasts despite absolutely nothing suggesting that.

So please.If you gonna call someone as making ''ridiculous claim''.At least post something,that actually debunk it rather than also making claims.There's nothing that contradicts both claims.And as i said,unless proven wrong.I won't change it.

Once again, there's nothing to debunk when you haven't proven a single one of your claims to be correct. Until you do I don't have to debunk anything because nothing you're saying is of any value as it's nothing more than an assumption without any evidence backing it up.

[Draconic]

I'm not sure if it was this thread that I made the claim that Caba will turn out to be weak, but due to recent events I have to take it back. In this episode Vados said she chose fighters who would win no matter what, so Caba must have something up his sleeve.

[buutenks]

I see no problem with piccolo being close to god tiers.

Also when champa tested the dome, he fired 3 shots, when they explode champa goes ahhh, then he tells vados: wow, not even a scratch you are very good.I would be humiliated if it broke.

So champa used some serious ki blasts to test it. i doubt its full power ofc, but heavy stuff.

Edit:The fact that piccolo could keep up with final form frost, and final form frost being above base goku, places Piccolo close to god tier.

[Birusu16]

I see no problem with piccolo being close to god tiers.

Also when champa tested the dome, he fired 3 shots, when they explode champa goes ahhh, then he tells vados: wow, not even a scratch you are very good.I would be humiliated if it broke.

So champa used some serious ki blasts to test it. i doubt its full power ofc, but heavy stuff.

Edit:The fact that piccolo could keep up with final form frost, and final form frost being above base goku, places Piccolo close to god tier.

That really doesn't tell us anything about the specific amount of power Champa used, which is the entire problem with assuming Piccolo's SBC is anywhere close to Champa and Beerus. That could range anywhere from 1-100. 1% of Champa's power could be above anything in U6 (Beerus at 10% was above anything in U7 before Monaka, SSG, Golden Freeza, etc.) hence why he sees it impressive that the barrier could stop it