Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Chuquita]

Forgot to mention even the part where Freeza remembers his fight with Goku ssj1 on Namek was not included, actually a lot of scenes in the manga were not included, and almost all of them were Goku's scenes.

*Now hoping they make it to the extended edition.*

[SaiyaJedi]

Forgot to mention even the part where Freeza remembers his fight with Goku ssj1 on Namek was not included, actually a lot of scenes in the manga were not included, and almost all of them were Goku's scenes.

*Now hoping they make it to the extended edition.*

The ones that stood out to me on my first read-through were the exchange between Sorbet and Tagoma on their ship after retrieving Freeza's body, and Gohan's comment about Buu being asleep.

As for your favorite scene from Chapter 1 of the manga... it's not in the movie script at all. Up until being told to stop by Whis, this is how the scene is described:

　ビルスの小さな星。庭でウイスから修行を受けている悟空とベジータ。
　２人とも猛烈なスピードでウイスを攻撃しているがウイスは画像がブレるように見えるだけで簡単にかわしている。どれだけやってもまったく触れることもできない。

ウイス　「はいストップ、ストップ」

　肩で息をする２人。
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EXT. BEERUS' SMALL PLANET [— DAY(?)]

Out in the garden, GOKU and VEGETA are receiving training from WHIS.

The two of them attack Whis at a furious pace, but Whis, appearing as a blur, dodges them easily. No matter how much they try, they can't even touch him.

WHIS
All right, time out.

The two of them are breathing hard.

[Doctor.]

Will Kanzenshuu be covering the contents of Volume F in full or just a brief overview?

[SaiyaJedi]

Will Kanzenshuu be covering the contents of Volume F in full or just a brief overview?

Haven't decided yet. Depends on my schedule, mostly. I suppose nothing rules out complete coverage in the fullness of time, however.

[Blade]

Will Kanzenshuu be covering the contents of Volume F in full or just a brief overview?

Haven't decided yet. Depends on my schedule, mostly. I suppose nothing rules out complete coverage in the fullness of time, however.

I'd literally buy each and every one of you a beer (or non-alcoholic alternative).

[fadeddreams5]

I see many fans absolutely livid over what they did to Gohan in other sites and under the comment sections of the manga. I can only hope Japanese fans are the same way so maybe, just maybe the creators will get their shit straight with this character in the next movie. : )

[Dyno]

Japanese viewers not too many happy
Rating 2.77 / 5

http://movies.yahoo.co.jp/movie/%E3%83% ... 61/review/

It's high time japanese fans could also see what Toriyama is doing... He didn't do anything near to wonderful with Dragon Ball Minus, many aspects of this new movie just don't work... Unfortunately, I'm glad to know there are also some fans over there didn't like the film.

[Noah]

Not really. I'm pretty sure if you try to bash Son Gohan with or without the intention to offend dbzfan7 he will let it go.
I'm pretty sure if you try to bash Son Goten with or without the intention to offend GmGoken, he will let it go.

Some tried to attack me by bashing Bardock but with no success, don't care at all to mere opinions.


But whatever, this is getting pointless. Move on.

I know how that feels, people in YGO forums bash Noah by saying that Dartz is a better villian, which I argue against but I don't take that seriously.

Scan of Goku and Vegeta getting to the battlefield while holding hands xd

(It's just one scan, it's ok right?)

Spoiler:

Is this from Chapter 3 FnF Manga or from Toriyama FnF book? I'm confused.

It seems to me that Toriyama is trying, with recent movies and interviews, to shift the focus of battle from mostly "power stacking", especially if we think about the Buu Saga that preceeded these movies, to nuanced fighting and a bigger emphasis on technique, but he's doing it a bit too forcefully and overlooking a little (sometimes a lot) of continuity, by overlooking that before, things like physical stress and getting caught unguarded didn't seem to matter as much, or weren't used much in other recent major battles. For example, even with the physical strain, SSJ3 was definitely a useful form, and now it doesn't seem to be anymore, yet if you apply Buu Saga's logic, SSJ3 Goku infused with God energy would probably be, yes, very useful, even if in limited time. Just a thought.

I still can't imagine that now usual SSJ forms are now "Yamcha" compared to the God ones, this movie may be great... But I can't take it Toriyama ditching the original SSJ forms.

I would personally love Cooler to appear with Broly as his power. While Goku and Vegeta deal with Broly, Gohan and the others would have to fight Cooler.

I made a fanfic in 2007 with a similiar history with Raditz coming back from Hell and jumping to a Saibaman BP to above SSJ3 level, I though a ass pull like that could be only in fanfics... But RoF came to change things up

I think Goku was happy to fight Uub because he waited years for Buu to reborn as Uub and he wanted train Uub to become stronger. Goku was happy that he would have his own student to train. Uub got pretty strong when he got pissed off and Goku didn't become SSj when fighting him. Goku not using normal SSj anymore can explain why he fights in his base form now most of the time.

This doesn't make any sense, Oob wasn't even in Kid Boo BP against Goku in the tournament, but Goku was way beyond Kid Boo BP (if we count RoF) he could easily obliterate him, but what happens is that Oob is giving Goku a "hard time" which contradicts his BP at the time.

[Marlowe89]

I see many fans absolutely livid over what they did to Gohan in other sites and under the comment sections of the manga. I can only hope Japanese fans are the same way so maybe, just maybe the creators will get their shit straight with this character in the next movie. : )

I still don't understand why people want this. His treatment in the film fits his character perfectly. He was never really into fighting to the same extent that Goku and Vegeta are, and it's obvious that his "adult" responsibilities have become far more important to him than getting stronger, so it isn't at all surprising that he would become weaker as a result of neglecting his training in favor of being a bookworm and a parent.

I think it's unfortunate that certain Gohan fans seem to like him more for entirely superficial reasons than his actual personality.

[Blade]

many aspects of this new movie just don't work... Unfortunately, I'm glad to know there are also some fans over there didn't like the film.

To be honest, I don't think it's too shocking that there are issues with the pacing and cohesion coming from the script. Toriyama isn't a screen writer, that's not something he has done before - he's practically a novice. The narrative pacing in a Manga is different to that in the filmic medium, which is why, for the last film, the fact that he essentially got hands-on involved at the stage where Watanabe had already written a full script for him to reconfigure no doubt aided the process greatly.

I always had some questions about how his script would turn out. but assumed that he would have worked with a more experienced scribe, or have an editor guide him. It genuinely seems, however, that for all intents and purposes they went with his script as he wrote it, with him only really leaving out the fight choreography, an area which he has repeatedly admitted he feels to be safer in the hands of the anime staff.

[Chuquita]

Forgot to mention even the part where Freeza remembers his fight with Goku ssj1 on Namek was not included, actually a lot of scenes in the manga were not included, and almost all of them were Goku's scenes.

*Now hoping they make it to the extended edition.*

The ones that stood out to me on my first read-through were the exchange between Sorbet and Tagoma on their ship after retrieving Freeza's body, and Gohan's comment about Buu being asleep.

As for your favorite scene from Chapter 1 of the manga... it's not in the movie script at all. Up until being told to stop by Whis, this is how the scene is described:

　ビルスの小さな星。庭でウイスから修行を受けている悟空とベジータ。
　２人とも猛烈なスピードでウイスを攻撃しているがウイスは画像がブレるように見えるだけで簡単にかわしている。どれだけやってもまったく触れることもできない。

ウイス　「はいストップ、ストップ」

　肩で息をする２人。
-------

EXT. BEERUS' SMALL PLANET [— DAY(?)]

Out in the garden, GOKU and VEGETA are receiving training from WHIS.

The two of them attack Whis at a furious pace, but Whis, appearing as a blur, dodges them easily. No matter how much they try, they can't even touch him.

WHIS
All right, time out.

The two of them are breathing hard.

Aw. Thank you though.
Well at least I've still got the shout-out in the manga adaption. (And gratitude to Toyotaro for including it.)

[SaiyaJedi]

Aw. Thank you though.
Well at least I've still got the shout-out in the manga adaption. (And gratitude to Toyotaro for including it.)

Well, I suppose it's still possible that Toyotarō saw something that got at least as far as the storyboard phase before being cut. That would certainly appear to be the case with the scene I mentioned between Sorbet and Tagoma.

[fadeddreams5]

I still don't understand why people want this. His treatment in the film fits his character perfectly. He was never really into fighting to the same extent that Goku and Vegeta are, and it's obvious that his "adult" responsibilities have become far more important to him than getting stronger, so it isn't at all surprising that he would become weaker as a result of neglecting his training in favor of being a bookworm and a parent.

I think it's unfortunate that certain Gohan fans seem to like him more for entirely superficial reasons than his actual personality.

Gohan was a shy, reserved kid who was raised to be a book worm, but forced to fend for himself after being kidnapped by Piccolo. He initially had no desires to fight; the very prospect of fighting scared him, immensely. However, when the Saiyans arrived and he saw his dad's friends get killed one by one, as well as his teacher, he learned to raise his fists to defend those he cares about. This is something he carried with him in the Namek arc. After this moment of his life, during peaceful times, he always jumped at the chance to train with his father, and at times neglected his studies to do so. Gohan never disliked training or fighting. Even if he did, he'd still train for the sake of being able to protect his loved ones.

During the Cell saga, Gohan was shown to tap into his immense potential--which had been foreshadowed since his introduction--that allowed him to surpass his father without him even realizing it. I guess the misconception of him detesting fighting comes from the Cell Games. It's not that Gohan didn't want to fight; it's that he knew he had to be the one to KILL Cell, which was a responsibility he didn't want to bear or saw the need to since a) he had no connections with the creature and b) Cell could just stop being evil and call it a day. However, Cell did not submit, and Gohan realized that, sometimes in life, you can't reason with certain people who are truly malicious and vile. At this point, he let his anger and power cloud his judgement, and payed the ultimate price: he witnessed his father sacrifice his life due to his inability to pull the trigger when he had the chance. Riled with guilt, Gohan almost gave up, but with his father's spirit by his side, he was able to persevere and save the day.

Fans watched Gohan go from a toddler who feared fighting to a warrior that was ready to take his father's place. This is Gohan to me and all those people you see complain about the treatment he gets now and back during the Buu saga. Why? Because with everything he learned, you'd expect him to continue training during the Cell/Buu gap. Not for his enjoyment, but because his father passed away and he's the one with the great power now. You know that classic notion--"with great power comes greater responsibility"? Apparently, Gohan never heard that. His negligence is partially the cause of everything bad that happens during the Buu arc. Also, his personality change is something that did not sit well with many.

But even then, neglecting his training for 7 years did not result in him losing his powers--only becoming slightly weaker. After getting mopped by Buu, Gohan had his potential unlocked by Old Kai, and became the strongest badass again. Sure, he didn't kill the main bad guy, but he was still the most powerful at this point, and you'd expect him to learn not to neglect his training, ESPECIALLY now that he's a father. That should be his INCENTIVE. It's inspiring to see him as a scholar and father who still takes the time to train his body, even if the new opposition outclasses him. It would have made more of an impact if Gohan fended off against first form Frieza while in his Ultimate form, but was one-shotted by final form Frieza. People would be downright shocked and say, "Woah. Frieza's so powerful!" Instead, untrained SSJ1 Gohan gets one-shotted by Frieza's first form, and the first thing that comes to mind is, "Why is Gohan a bitch?"

TL;DR - People tend to excuse Gohan's modern day pansy ass by saying he never liked to fight and is now too busy to train. The former is not true, and the latter is not a valid excuse from a writing point of view... at all. Gohan can be like Clark Kent (scholar) / Superman (Ultimate/Mystic) if they wanted him to.

[ShadowWolf87]

Japanese viewers not too many happy
Rating 2.77 / 5

http://movies.yahoo.co.jp/movie/%E3%83% ... 61/review/

It's high time japanese fans could also see what Toriyama is doing... He didn't do anything near to wonderful with Dragon Ball Minus, many aspects of this new movie just don't work... Unfortunately, I'm glad to know there are also some fans over there didn't like the film.

Pray tell, what exactly "doesn't work" here? So far all I've seen is people complain Gohan's actually in-character and be mad that their respective favorites weren't crammed into the movie for the sake of having them there.

Which, frankly, even if this had happened they'd then whine they didn't get to do more.

If not that, then it's somehow being mad that their favorite wasn't pushed beyond the protagonist in terms of power, which... is never gonna happen frankly.

[jcogginsa]

Most likely, Gohan did continue his training for the first year or so after Cell. But as time passed by without any threats emerging, he gradually began to slack off until the Buu saga, afterwhich point their per plenty of strong people around

[fexus]

TL;DR - People tend to excuse Gohan's modern day pansy ass by saying he never liked to fight and is now too busy to train. The former is not true, and the latter is not a valid excuse from a writing point of view... at all. Gohan can be like Clark Kent (scholar) / Superman (Ultimate/Mystic) if they wanted him to.

Gohan could also be exactly like he was in the movie if they wanted him to and that's exactly what they wanted him to. People have opinion on what would Gohan exactly do if he was in that exact situation and the author, the one who knows the character the most are giving as to in his opinion what would happen. This fact couldn't be argued against because Toriyama already said so. He isn't Superman. People are a flawed being. Nothing we do would say that's it's the best option to do things. Maybe it's the best option for us but maybe it isn't for someone else. Maybe the situation is different and Gohan doesn't want to neglect his children like his father. Maybe he thinks that Goku and Vegeta was still there, than he didn't need to worry. Maybe he thinks that Buu, one of the most powerful being in the universe is there, the Earth wouldn't be in trouble. Maybe in his mind that was the best thing to do. Also he only lost to Beerus who is the god of destruction. How would he know that some villain from the past is going to get a power up that even surpass his own? He didn't expect that and that's what happen. So, there's nothing wrong as how Gohan acted in the movie.

[fadeddreams5]

TL;DR - People tend to excuse Gohan's modern day pansy ass by saying he never liked to fight and is now too busy to train. The former is not true, and the latter is not a valid excuse from a writing point of view... at all. Gohan can be like Clark Kent (scholar) / Superman (Ultimate/Mystic) if they wanted him to.

Gohan could also be exactly like he was in the movie if they wanted him to and that's exactly what they wanted him to. People have opinion on what would Gohan exactly do if he was in that exact situation and the author, the one who knows the character the most are giving as to in his opinion what would happen. This fact couldn't be argued against because Toriyama already said so. He isn't Superman. People are a flawed being. Nothing we do would say that's it's the best option to do things. Maybe it's the best option for us but maybe it isn't for someone else. Maybe the situation is different and Gohan doesn't want to neglect his children like his father. Maybe he thinks that Goku and Vegeta was still there, than he didn't need to worry. Maybe he thinks that Buu, one of the most powerful being in the universe is there, the Earth wouldn't be in trouble. Maybe in his mind that was the best thing to do. Also he only lost to Beerus who is the god of destruction. How would he know that some villain from the past is going to get a power up that even surpass his own? He didn't expect that and that's what happen. So, there's nothing wrong as how Gohan acted in the movie.

I'm explaining, from my point of view, why the character is getting the reception he is, and has been for a while.

You're basically saying, "Deal with it. Toriyama wanted him to be this way now."

[Chuquita]

Aw. Thank you though.
Well at least I've still got the shout-out in the manga adaption. (And gratitude to Toyotaro for including it.)

Well, I suppose it's still possible that Toyotarō saw something that got at least as far as the storyboard phase before being cut. That would certainly appear to be the case with the scene I mentioned between Sorbet and Tagoma.

I can still hope so. A link between them in the way that ssj1/2/3 bridged to each other would've been nice. *Sad-smile*.
Seeing it flat-out "Put on a bus" left me really depressed that day I found out. Thankfully there's other stuff in the movie that looks promisingly enjoyable; I still want to have fun watching it after all.

[Marco Polo]

People have opinion on what would Gohan exactly do if he was in that exact situation and the author, the one who knows the character the most are giving as to in his opinion what would happen.

Yeah, Toriyama knows Gohan the most, just like he knew that Vegeta has a mustache at the end of DBZ, that Android 18 is purple-haired, and that SSJ2 is the form with the long hair and no brows. Toriyama -- the guy who flat out stated that Naho Ooishi knows more about DB than he does.

[fexus]

I'm explaining, from my point of view, why the character is getting the reception he is, and has been for a while.

You're basically saying, "Deal with it. Toriyama wanted him to be this way now."

I'm also explaining my point of view. If you read pass the "...because Toriyama already said so.", you would notice how I explain the reasoning to his specific action in the new movie. The point is it could happen and it did happen. People are only unhappy because it made Gohan look weak, it made Gohan look foolish, it made Gohan the fodder. People wouldn't exactly react the same way if maybe Chioautzu was the one that was made fun of.