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by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:53 pm
LightBing wrote:Polyphase Avatron wrote:Current Roshi vs. Current Yamcha.
Before you answer, keep in mind that Toriyama said that during the events of Resurrection F, Roshi was nearly or maybe just as powerful as Krillin.
Are you sure he said that? What I remember is that Kame-sennin could get as powerful as he was in the movie if he trained, not that he was even with Kuririn.
0%/100%- Kame-sennin was no chance whatever. I assume his boost in RoF came from mastering his Buff Form, which to me puts him in the 1xxx range. Yamcha, I have him in the low millions. This isn't even a fight, just a stomp.
https://jnetworkonline.com/2015/04/23/m ... ira-gives/
He said it here.
In other words, up until the events of this movie, he hasn’t made any serious effort in fighting (laughs)! Generally looking at what’s happening in the movie, Krillin is displaying an equal, or perhaps more, fighting power than Kame Senin.
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by In Brightest Day » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:24 pm
Polyphase Avatron wrote:LightBing wrote:Polyphase Avatron wrote:Current Roshi vs. Current Yamcha.
Before you answer, keep in mind that Toriyama said that during the events of Resurrection F, Roshi was nearly or maybe just as powerful as Krillin.
Are you sure he said that? What I remember is that Kame-sennin could get as powerful as he was in the movie if he trained, not that he was even with Kuririn.
0%/100%- Kame-sennin was no chance whatever. I assume his boost in RoF came from mastering his Buff Form, which to me puts him in the 1xxx range. Yamcha, I have him in the low millions. This isn't even a fight, just a stomp.
https://jnetworkonline.com/2015/04/23/m ... ira-gives/
He said it here.
In other words, up until the events of this movie, he hasn’t made any serious effort in fighting (laughs)! Generally looking at what’s happening in the movie, Krillin is displaying an equal, or perhaps more, fighting power than Kame Senin.
That's... misleading. The author isn't quoting Akira Toriyama in that sentence, he's just saying from his own point of view "it looks like Krillin and Roshi are equal in the movie."
I'm in agreement with others. At most, Buff Roshi is probably sitting somewhere around Nappa's level, whereas Yamcha could very well be sitting in the low millions. It's not even really a fight.
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by DanielSSJ » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:13 pm
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Current Roshi vs. Current Yamcha.
Before you answer, keep in mind that Toriyama said that during the events of Resurrection F, Roshi was nearly or maybe just as powerful as Krillin.
Yeah, I'm with everyone else here. Toriyama never actually said that Muten Roshi was up there with Kuririn. In my head, even if he stopped participating in the tournaments and effectively retired, I don't think Muten Roshi actually stopped training. While the youngsters had their hands full with the aliens, time-travelers, artificial lifeforms, and super-powered genies, Roshi's been steadily improving behind the scenes. Even with that, I doubt he's any stronger than Nappa in his buff form, and while I think Yamcha being in the millions is a bit excessive, he's definitely a lot stronger than that. Yamcha pretty much has this on lockdown.
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by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:33 pm
What If? Scenarios.
1) What if Goku Black had a change of heart and betrayed Future Zamasu before teaming up with Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks against the Immortal Zamasu of the future?
2) What if during Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods Vegeta had challenged Beerus to a dance off?
3) What if Super Perfect Cell had permanently gotten complete and total amnesia after regenerating from his Intended self-destruction and stayed in the Other World long enough to meet up with Goku?
What If? Versus Scenarios.
4) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Kaioken x10) vs. Eis Shenron.
5) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection F) vs. Omega Shenron.
6) Super Saiyan God Goku (Universe 6 vs. Universe 7 Saga) vs. Super 17.
7) Super Saiyan Goku (Rematch against Beerus in Battle of Gods) vs. Super Saiyan Baby Vegeta.
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by DanielSSJ » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:45 pm
Steven Bloodriver wrote:What if during Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods Vegeta had challenged Beerus to a dance off?

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by Saiyan007 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:56 am
Steven Bloodriver wrote:What If? Scenarios.
2) What if during Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods Vegeta had challenged Beerus to a dance off?
3) What if Super Perfect Cell had permanently gotten complete and total amnesia after regenerating from his Intended self-destruction and stayed in the Other World long enough to meet up with Goku?
What If? Versus Scenarios.
4) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Kaioken x10) vs. Eis Shenron.
5) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection F) vs. Omega Shenron.
6) Super Saiyan God Goku (Universe 6 vs. Universe 7 Saga) vs. Super 17.
7) Super Saiyan Goku (Rematch against Beerus in Battle of Gods) vs. Super Saiyan Baby Vegeta.
2.Beerus would take Vegeta to school
3.That would be pretty awkward
4.Goku doesn't need kaioken,regular red haired Saiyan God Goku is more than enough to deal with the entire cast of GT.
The narrator in episode 13 of Super says that Goku and Beerus are hitting each other with the power to destroy the universe.
GT doesn't even come close to that kind of striking strength.
5.See above
6.^
7.^
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by The Monkey King » Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:44 am
DanielSSJ wrote:
Come to think of it could anyone defeat Beerus in a dance battle? Is he truly the greatest dancer in the DBU?
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by Nejishiki » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:25 pm
Would you consider either the Metamoru race or the Para Brothers competition?
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by Anime Kitten » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:59 pm
Nejishiki wrote:Would you consider either the Metamoru race or the Para Brothers competition?
I'd love to see Beerus interact with the Para Brothers.

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by ZombieVito » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:16 pm
Majin Boo vs First Form Freeza.
Kuririn implied in the RoF arc that having Boo with them will make the situation "Okay". Can Boo beat this trained Freeza? Or was Kuririn mistaken?
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by Hugo Boss » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:30 pm
ZombieVito wrote:Majin Boo vs First Form Freeza.
Kuririn implied in the RoF arc that having Boo with them will make the situation "Okay". Can Boo beat this trained Freeza? Or was Kuririn mistaken?
He probably could, since Gohan was much weaker than his Ultimate form even as a Super Saiyan. He probably couldn't beat Final Form Freeza though.
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by ssbgoku » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:01 pm
ZombieVito wrote:Majin Boo vs First Form Freeza.
Kuririn implied in the RoF arc that having Boo with them will make the situation "Okay". Can Boo beat this trained Freeza? Or was Kuririn mistaken?
Of course, I would assume:
First form freeza < Mr.buu < Second form freeza <= Enraged Mr. buu(Fat buu) < Third form freeza < Final form freeza
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by nickzambuto » Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:38 pm
Strongest Dragon Ball character who Arale can beat?
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by Doctor. » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:46 pm
Anime Hit vs Black
Manga Hit vs Future Zamasu
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by Anime Kitten » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:52 pm
Doctor. wrote:Anime Hit vs Black
Hit was on par with SSJB Goku, and SSJR Black wrecked him. Of course, Goku used Kaioken later, so it's hard to say. I'd say Hit at this point.
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by Saiyan007 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:08 pm
nickzambuto wrote:Strongest Dragon Ball character who Arale can beat?
Beats everyone in GT and DBZ but gets curbstomped by the gods in Super
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by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:16 pm
Mêlée à Trois
1) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Baby Saga) vs. Goku Black (when he fought Super Saiyan 2 Goku) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Super Janemba in disguise as Goku from Fusion Reborn).
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by ZombieVito » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:49 am
nickzambuto wrote:Strongest Dragon Ball character who Arale can beat?
Well Toriyama said she is stronger than post Secret Water Goku, so him.
Doctor. wrote:Anime Hit vs Black
Manga Hit vs Future Zamasu
I'm sure Black will figured out the way to fight Hit and he will kill him at the first chance he gets.
Flips coin. Hit wins.
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by apex_pretador » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:24 am
ZombieVito wrote:Majin Boo vs First Form Freeza.
Kuririn implied in the RoF arc that having Boo with them will make the situation "Okay". Can Boo beat this trained Freeza? Or was Kuririn mistaken?
Krillin only implied that buu AND gohan can hold off freeza for some time.
Anyways, seeing how big of an idiot freeza in super was, he will get turned to candy.
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by Hugo Boss » Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:50 am
nickzambuto wrote:Strongest Dragon Ball character who Arale can beat?
Black, I guess. I don't think she can beat Beerus though.
Doctor. wrote:Anime Hit vs Black
Manga Hit vs Future Zamasu
Anime Hit went as far as to keep up with Kaioken x10 Blue Goku. I don't think Black could manage that.
Future Zamasu can't be damaged, so there is nothing Hit can do.