"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Khin]

I'm also tired of this running back and forth. What makes FT Trunks think he has a chance to win alone, all of sudden?!

As for the Mafuba, I love it. I defintely don't want an Universal Genkidama or a Kamehameha to finish the business.
What a great way to make Roshi relevant again. Curious to know if Tenshinhan will come to help Goku too?!

I'm still hoping for Goku/Vegeta fusion though.

If the half title of episode 63 is anything to go by, then Vegeta will remain in the future with Trunks.

The Mafuba is probably for Zamasu, while the Genki-Dama is for Black like someone mentioned in the other thread. But I really don't want that to happen.

[Alee9977]

Goku's using the mafuba?? So, he is going to die... Even if he success, there will be one enemy left yet and Vegeta and Trunks will have to defeat him, and I don't know what is worst, and immortal enemy? or a enemy who is mortal but keeps getting stronger every time?
Also, I'd love to see a new technique, I'm happy they are using the old ones but it's time for something new I think.

[nite_jay]

Here's what I think will happen.
1)Bulma goes with Goku to the past to learn the Mafuba.
2)Trunks and Vegeta fight Black and Zamasu.
3)Maybe Goku can't master it or something, and somebody like Tenshinhan has to come along to help. Meanwhile, Trunks and Vegeta fight Black and Big Zam with little to no success.
4)Goku come back to the future with a worn out Trunks and Vegeta.
5)Tenshinhan does the Mafuba with Goku, Trunks,and Vegeta in some epic episode-long struggle.

The only thing thats kinda weird here though is that inserting Tenshinhan would be kind of random imo.

[Lujin_16]

I will admit this running back and forth to the past and future is getting a liiiiittle annoying, but hopefully this is the last of it.

This is ruining the arc for me. Goku could have learn the Mafuba after the first escape.

Ruining the arc ??? speak for yourself.....It is a good reason to go back and learn Mafuba

[Avok]

This was the perfect oportunity to include some side-characters in the fight.
Bring in Tenshinhan who already knows the move! Make them do something, for God's sake.

[ekrolo2]

I will admit this running back and forth to the past and future is getting a liiiiittle annoying, but hopefully this is the last of it.

This is ruining the arc for me. Goku could have learn the Mafuba after the first escape.

Goku's so pants shitingly stupid in Super I'm once again amazed by the fact he hasn't broken his own neck getting out of bed in the morning.

[RoarkVegeta]

Well shit, kinda forgot that whole "use it and die" thing with the Mafuba...hmmmmmmm.

Edit: Except for the random filler scene of Tenshinhan using it on Piccolo Daimao and hitting Drum (and still missing), and then Tenshinhan practicing it. So I guess it's basically if it works, you die.

[Khin]

Here's what I think will happen.
1)Bulma goes with Goku to the past to learn the Mafuba.
2)Trunks and Vegeta fight Black and Zamasu.
3)Maybe Goku can't master it or something, and somebody like Tenshinhan has to come along to help. Meanwhile, Trunks and Vegeta fight Black and Big Zam with little to no success.
4)Goku come back to the future with a worn out Trunks and Vegeta.
5)Tenshinhan does the Mafuba with Goku, Trunks,and Vegeta in some epic episode-long struggle.

The only thing thats kinda weird here though is that inserting Tenshinhan would be kind of random imo.

As much as I like Tenshinhan to do something, I think Piccolo would be a better option. Not that random for Pic that that technique was used long ago against him, would be a good moment.

[Ajay]

I'm not really sure how to feel about this. On one hand, I love bringing back an item that never worked properly in the past to take down one of the toughest foes they've ever faced, but at the same, the "but..." makes me feel that that isn't going to happen, and that we're just going to get another 'Toei-nostalgia' moment by shoehorning in an unnecessary callback to an item from the past. The fact they're retreating to the past yet again sure makes me think that's going to be the case.

On the other hand, I love the concept of Trunks (and presumably Vegeta, if the episode titles are anything to go by) remaining to fend off against the enemies while Goku and co. desperately search for a way to defeat them. That would be a cool use of the 'wait for Goku' plot point that made the Saiyan and early Namek arcs so exciting; it gives everyone a chance to shine, too. For everyone to then swoop in for a climactic battle that ends with them finally using the Mafuuba successfully would be great. I'm sure there's great dialogue you could write around that scenario. Though how you deal with the user dying will be interesting, I suppose. Maybe there'll be a filler arc around that?

I'm just so worried that this arc is going to fall at the last hurdle. I've been thoroughly enjoying everything up to this point, but I'd be lying if I said I thought it wasn't being dragged out. The production side of my brain is happy because it actually means episodes that count do look great, but it does make the narrative suffer. I'm remaining hopeful. The whole concept of bringing back Future Trunks and introducing an evil Goku sounded awful on paper, but that's turned out just great so far. I hope my doubts will continue to be squashed.

[namekiansaiyan]

My wish is for Trunks, Goku and Vegeta to hold off Zamasu and Black while Piccolo, Tien and Roshi do a combined Mufuba to seal them away.

[Pannaliciour]

So they are bringing again something back that was introduce in the past (like the kaio ken)? I bet its a Toei thing and manga author will come with something different.

[nite_jay]

I'm not really sure how to feel about this. On one hand, I love bringing back an item that never worked properly in the past to take down one of the toughest foes they've ever faced, but at the same, the "but..." makes me feel that that isn't going to happen, and that we're just going to get another 'Toei-nostalgia' moment by shoehorning in an unnecessary callback to an item from the past. The fact they're retreating to the past yet again sure makes me think that's going to be the case.

On the other hand, I love the concept of Trunks (and presumably Vegeta, if the episode titles are anything to go by) remaining to fend off against the enemies while Goku and co. desperately search for a way to defeat them. That would be a cool use of the 'wait for Goku' plot point that made the Saiyan and early Namek arcs so exciting; it gives everyone a chance to shine, too. For everyone to then swoop in for a climactic battle that ends with them finally using the Mafuuba successfully would be great. I'm sure there's great dialogue you could write around that scenario. Though how you deal with the user dying will be interesting, I suppose. Maybe there'll be a filler arc around that?

I'm just so worried that this arc is going to fall at the last hurdle. I've been thoroughly enjoying everything up to this point, but I'd be lying if I said I thought it wasn't being dragged out. The production side of my brain is happy because it actually means episodes that count do look great, but it does make the narrative suffer. I'm remaining hopeful. The whole concept of bringing back Future Trunks and introducing an evil Goku sounded awful on paper, but that's turned out just great so far. I hope my doubts will continue to be squashed.

I think that Toei might shoehorn a little bit of "nostalgia" but because this arc was mostly written by Toriyama himself I doubt there will be too much pandering. (Unless this is another SSGSSK vs. SSG+SSJB situation.)


Tenshinhan, Piccolo, and Kame Sennin doing a triple Mafuba would be so random, though. We really haven't seen them at all throughout this arc.

[Lujin_16]

So they are bringing again something back that was introduce in the past (like the kaio ken)? I bet its a Toei thing and manga author will come with something different.

Zamasu is immortal so it makes perfect sense

[namekiansaiyan]

I'm not really sure how to feel about this. On one hand, I love bringing back an item that never worked properly in the past to take down one of the toughest foes they've ever faced, but at the same, the "but..." makes me feel that that isn't going to happen, and that we're just going to get another 'Toei-nostalgia' moment by shoehorning in an unnecessary callback to an item from the past. The fact they're retreating to the past yet again sure makes me think that's going to be the case.

On the other hand, I love the concept of Trunks (and presumably Vegeta, if the episode titles are anything to go by) remaining to fend off against the enemies while Goku and co. desperately search for a way to defeat them. That would be a cool use of the 'wait for Goku' plot point that made the Saiyan and early Namek arcs so exciting; it gives everyone a chance to shine, too. For everyone to then swoop in for a climactic battle that ends with them finally using the Mafuuba successfully would be great. I'm sure there's great dialogue you could write around that scenario. Though how you deal with the user dying will be interesting, I suppose. Maybe there'll be a filler arc around that?

I'm just so worried that this arc is going to fall at the last hurdle. I've been thoroughly enjoying everything up to this point, but I'd be lying if I said I thought it wasn't being dragged out. The production side of my brain is happy because it actually means episodes that count do look great, but it does make the narrative suffer. I'm remaining hopeful. The whole concept of bringing back Future Trunks and introducing an evil Goku sounded awful on paper, but that's turned out just great so far. I hope my doubts will continue to be squashed.

I think that Toei might shoehorn a little bit of "nostalgia" but because this arc was mostly written by Toriyama himself I doubt there will be too much pandering. (Unless this is another SSGSSK vs. SSG+SSJB situation.)


Tenshinhan, Piccolo, and Kame Sennin doing a triple Mafuba would be so random, though. We really haven't seen them at all throughout this arc.

If Tien, Piccolo and Roshi did that it would my favourite moment in Dragon ball ever probably.

[Ajay]

I think that Toei might shoehorn a little bit of "nostalgia" but because this arc was mostly written by Toriyama himself I doubt there will be too much pandering. (Unless this is another SSGSSK vs. SSG+SSJB situation.)

Actually, of all the arcs, this is the most likely to have the least Toriyama contributions. Unlike the Resurrection 'F' movie and the Champa arc, this story arc began from a suggestion given by the editorial staff at Toei.

It's impossible to speak with any authority about his involvement. All we know is that he writes an outline and Toei's script writers expand on that. Given the inconsistency in quality between each writer, it's hard to say much of anything.

[YonedgeHP]

So they are bringing again something back that was introduce in the past (like the kaio ken)? I bet its a Toei thing and manga author will come with something different.

It makes perfect sense since Future Zamas is immortal. Saying that every thing in DBS is filler or non-Toriyama idea is a bad hobby.

[Helios518]

I'm not really sure how to feel about this. On one hand, I love bringing back an item that never worked properly in the past to take down one of the toughest foes they've ever faced, but at the same, the "but..." makes me feel that that isn't going to happen, and that we're just going to get another 'Toei-nostalgia' moment by shoehorning in an unnecessary callback to an item from the past. The fact they're retreating to the past yet again sure makes me think that's going to be the case.

On the other hand, I love the concept of Trunks (and presumably Vegeta, if the episode titles are anything to go by) remaining to fend off against the enemies while Goku and co. desperately search for a way to defeat them. That would be a cool use of the 'wait for Goku' plot point that made the Saiyan and early Namek arcs so exciting; it gives everyone a chance to shine, too. For everyone to then swoop in for a climactic battle that ends with them finally using the Mafuuba successfully would be great. I'm sure there's great dialogue you could write around that scenario. Though how you deal with the user dying will be interesting, I suppose. Maybe there'll be a filler arc around that?

I'm just so worried that this arc is going to fall at the last hurdle. I've been thoroughly enjoying everything up to this point, but I'd be lying if I said I thought it wasn't being dragged out. The production side of my brain is happy because it actually means episodes that count do look great, but it does make the narrative suffer. I'm remaining hopeful. The whole concept of bringing back Future Trunks and introducing an evil Goku sounded awful on paper, but that's turned out just great so far. I hope my doubts will continue to be squashed.

Any chance of doing some Zamasu Arc "Super Cut"?

[TheMikado]

I think I'll just wait to see how this all plays out.. I'm.. i don't even see how the Trunks vs Black thing would be possible I'm the manga.

[Bansho64]

I think I'll just wait to see how this all plays out.. I'm.. i don't even see how the Trunks vs Black thing would be possible I'm the manga.

Same. I'm not cutting any losses yet. This arc has been okay or decent for me so far. I wouldn't call it great, but it's not bad.

[nite_jay]

I think that Toei might shoehorn a little bit of "nostalgia" but because this arc was mostly written by Toriyama himself I doubt there will be too much pandering. (Unless this is another SSGSSK vs. SSG+SSJB situation.)

Actually, of all the arcs, this is the most likely to have the least Toriyama contributions. Unlike the Resurrection 'F' movie and the Champa arc, this story arc began from a suggestion given by the editorial staff at Toei.

It's impossible to speak with any authority about his involvement. All we know is that he writes an outline and Toei's script writers expand on that. Given the inconsistency in quality between each writer, it's hard to say much of anything.

Reading that post inclines me to believe that this will be another SSGSSK vs. manga situation, but the fact that Zamasu is immortal also makes me think that the Mafuba was a Toriyama plot point, too. And I'd be suprised if Super tried to pander to anything pre-Z, considering the treatment that half of the franchise has had over the last decade. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, though.