Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[miguelnuva1]

I think the best thing is send both Goku and Vegeta into another universe then introduce new villains for Gohan and the others to fight. Goku and Vegeta would be fighting these stronger gods in one movie while Gohan and Gotenks alongside Piccolo and the others defend Earth in another movie.

[Marlowe89]

Actually he didn't become weaker. He only couldn't tap into his hidden power with rage. Rustier yes, but weaker no.

It's literally the same thing. If he can't tap into the same level of power as before, he's weaker by definition. Nobody said anything about his natural state.

So yes Gohan and the boys could get God Form. There's no way it'd take forever considering their track records. It's only argued against so there's an excuse for them to be nothing.

Gohan doesn't WANT to be the kind of "something" you keep harping on. And no, it's argued against because the idea of Gohan mastering SSG in a very short amount of time when he's implied to be barely capable of tapping into the initial Super Saiyan form in his current state is completely asinine and extremely unreasonable.

No he didn't. The army thing was pointless. Even Freeza said so as he knew the result before sending them out. We could easily have just cut all that useless fighting for more development for Freeza and the gods, and the movie would be better of with it. Instead have Goku teleport back once Freeza arrives, and we lose nothing important at all.

Except that authorially, the entire reason was to give the lesser characters showtime. Also, you're changing the subject - the point is that Gohan physically wasn't useless and directly contributed to the protection of the planet. The fact that you continue to move the goalposts because he isn't some uber strong warrior doesn't undermine his role in the film.

[Rocketman]

he's implied to be barely capable of tapping into the initial Super Saiyan form in his current state

Which violates the manga.

[dbzfan7]

It's literally the same thing. If he can't tap into the same level of power as before, he's weaker by definition. Nobody said anything about his natural state.

He got about as weaker as Krillin did, which was not at all. Even in the past he had a hard time tapping into his rage before the time skip. So nothing has changed.

Gohan doesn't WANT to be the kind of "something" you keep harping on. And no, it's argued against because the idea of Gohan mastering SSG in a very short amount of time when he's implied to be barely capable of tapping into the initial Super Saiyan form in his current state is completely asinine and extremely unreasonable.

No that comment of being unable to maybe tap into SSJ is bullshit and unreasonable. It's been like a year later after he had no issues, and now he has a problem? Bullshit. It's been shown when the half breeds try, they surpass the full bloods. That is a fact. It won't take years.

Except that authorially, the entire reason was to give the lesser characters showtime. Also, you're changing the subject - the point is that Gohan physically wasn't useless and directly contributed to the protection of the planet. The fact that you continue to move the goalposts because he isn't some uber strong warrior doesn't undermine his role in the film.

It gives them padding. Nothing of worth. Nothing for their characters. It's fan service, and poorly done at that. Wow Krillin is so cool beating up weaklings, that's gonna mean so much for him. We could cut out the entire sequence for more story, and we'd have something much more worth it than pointless fighting.

But hey we had this same thing happen in GT where they fought a huge amount of people who got out of hell, but man it sucks there cause it's not DBZ.

[Lord Beerus]

Damn. Gohan-gate is never gonna end, is it?

[bubibartra]

People forget that dominate the SSG, it takes skill. Gohan does not. Much raw power but not skill. The angry and makes a massive Masenko or kamehameha and hits hard but has no skill. Unlock power massively but then lost and can not handle it. Gohan need years to get the skill of his father or Vegeta. The ritual God is not simply force and mastered, it takes more than Gohan does not have.

[dbzfan7]

Damn. Gohan-gate is never gonna end, is it?

I'd like to move on, I'm tired of discussing it. It's a matter of opinions really.

People forget that dominate the SSG, it takes skill. Gohan does not. Much raw power but not skill. The angry and makes a massive Masenko or kamehameha and hits hard but has no skill. Unlock power massively but then lost and can not handle it. Gohan need years to get the skill of his father or Vegeta. The ritual God is not simply force and mastered, it takes more than Gohan does not have.

I'm sure it only took raw power to catch up to Goku through training as well as mastering Super Saiyan (or at least reaching SSJ) was just raw power too both in shorter times than Goku . I'm also sure Goten and Trunks through raw power mastered fusion in a much shorter time than Goku did when he learned from the Metamorese and through only power wielded SSJ3 as Gotenks much faster than it took Goku too.

[buutenks]

People forget that dominate the SSG, it takes skill. Gohan does not. Much raw power but not skill. The angry and makes a massive Masenko or kamehameha and hits hard but has no skill. Unlock power massively but then lost and can not handle it. Gohan need years to get the skill of his father or Vegeta. The ritual God is not simply force and mastered, it takes more than Gohan does not have.

EH going by that logic no one in dbz has skill ^^Since goku is more dumber than that lol.he tried to kameha 19 twice even after he saw that his kameha was absorbed lol.

As for skill,what is skill in dbz?Plus goku and vegeta were trained by whis,not by themselves.So i see no reason why gohan couldnt be trained by whis to master the form.

Also you know how goku got so strong from earth to namek?Wasnt cos of skill,he was blasting himself with ki,getting himself to near death eating a senzu and repeating the same thing over and over till he had enough.

And cant handle power?What you mean,gohan went ssj2 and he was perfectly in control,now cos he got cocky like vegeta well that has nothing to do with power control.That was due to overconfidence and wanting revenge for the pain cell inflicted.And again he gains mystic power and he is perfectly in control,its not like he powered up and was to much for him and he blew up killing everyone.

Also goku after his defeat at the hands of beerus,he tried to train himself by fireing a kameha towards himself and catching it increasing his strength and so on.

So its not about skill,its about method of training and which is best.Skill and technique went out in dbz a long time ago.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Damn. Gohan-gate is never gonna end, is it?

I'd like to move on, I'm tired of discussing it. It's a matter of opinions really.

Agree'd, it feels like it just keeps on going in circles. Getting a bit tiresome really.

[fadeddreams5]

You know, Gohan can still be powerful and relevant without training OR using this god ritual. Just gotta think outside the box.

Everyone keeps leaning on this lack of desire to train and fight mentality of Gohan's as though that's the only thing that defined his character. He could have progressed into a much greater character based on how he was built up and the things he experienced in the Cell Games, but even what we got in the Buu saga was good enough. At the end of it, I grew to like the character a lot again... until I saw him in EoZ, but that's another story. People just want consistency. Is that too much to ask for? Why are people excusing piss poor writing by saying Gohan was never a fighter to begin with? I don't get it.

[dbzfan7]

Damn. Gohan-gate is never gonna end, is it?

I'd like to move on, I'm tired of discussing it. It's a matter of opinions really.

Agree'd, it feels like it just keeps on going in circles. Getting a bit tiresome really.

I mean I'll stop right now so long as we're all agreed to put a rest to it. Though if someone calls me out on the discussion I ain't gonna quit unless it gets too rude or we're told to stop by mods. Preferably I'd like to just move on from the opinion base discussion.

[Lord Beerus]

I mean I'll stop right now so long as we're all agreed to put a rest to it. Though if someone calls me out on the discussion I ain't gonna quit unless it gets too rude or we're told to stop by mods. Preferably I'd like to just move on from the opinion base discussion.

I would love to move on to another subject.

*ahem*

So, there seems to be rumors that RF may get an extended edition. What kind of scenes would guys like to seen in the extended edition of the movie, if it does indeed exist?

[Doctor.]

So, there seems to be rumors that RF may get an extended edition. What kind of scenes would guys like to seen in the extended edition of the movie, if it does indeed exist?

Freeza's training; the reason why Goku and Veggie are training with Whis.

[dbzfan7]

So, there seems to be rumors that RF may get an extended edition. What kind of scenes would guys like to seen in the extended edition of the movie, if it does indeed exist?

Freeza's training; the reason why Goku and Veggie are training with Whis.

I want this so bad. I want to see Freeza train so badly. I want more on that, and maybe Shisami so people don't have to make up he got stronger off screen or already was strong. Maybe those pamphlets say something on him, I dunno.

[Dyno]

What kind of scenes would guys like to seen in the extended edition of the movie, if it does indeed exist?

• An explanation of how the chamber can put all the pieces back together.
• Freeza's convincing training.
• All missing characters.
• Bardock and Gine.
• Tights.
• Jaco having a dialogue with Kakarot.
• An explanation of how Freeza knows about Super Saiyan God.


Going even further:

• Son Goten and Trunks having a dialogue with Freeza.
• Freeza's reaction upon seeing Vegeta alive.


Look how many missing opportunities...

[Doctor.]

• An explanation of how the chamber can put all the pieces back together.

Why is this so hard to believe? If Senzus can heal holes, why can't the technology made by the most genius minds in the universe piece together a body?

• Bardock and Gine.

What? How would they even fit?

[fadeddreams5]

I mean I'll stop right now so long as we're all agreed to put a rest to it. Though if someone calls me out on the discussion I ain't gonna quit unless it gets too rude or we're told to stop by mods. Preferably I'd like to just move on from the opinion base discussion.

I would love to move on to another subject.

*ahem*

So, there seems to be rumors that RF may get an extended edition. What kind of scenes would guys like to seen in the extended edition of the movie, if it does indeed exist?

A montage of Gohan's lack of training and losing his powers.

[Dyno]

And by the way, does Freeza really say something related to "King Cold told me not to touch on two people in this Universe, Bills and Majin Buu"?

[Lord Beerus]

I mean I'll stop right now so long as we're all agreed to put a rest to it. Though if someone calls me out on the discussion I ain't gonna quit unless it gets too rude or we're told to stop by mods. Preferably I'd like to just move on from the opinion base discussion.

I would love to move on to another subject.

*ahem*

So, there seems to be rumors that RF may get an extended edition. What kind of scenes would guys like to seen in the extended edition of the movie, if it does indeed exist?

A montage of Gohan's lack of training and losing his powers.

*sigh*

[dbzfan7]

And by the way, does Freeza really say something related to "King Cold told me not to touch on two people in this Universe, Bills and Majin Buu"?

Well it seems Freeza knows of Beerus (Because he just has to be shoehorned into everything), and I think they mentioned Goku beating Boo. Someone will need to clarify on that.