"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[omaro34]

MY MAN PICCOLO IN THE FUTURE, WHICH MEANS HE COULD BE IN THE ACTION, FINALLY!!!

Nothing in the spoilers mention Piccolo in the future. Goku and Vegeta have the Mafuba conversation with him when they return to the past.

Yeah I posted my comment way too prematurely. Them travelling back and forth through time is getting to be a little too much.

[namekiansaiyan]

That is why Goku shouldn't learn it as there is no time and there is already others who can do it but it seems they want to ignore common sense for him. This should be Roshi, Piccolo or Tien and no one else.

Taking them to the battle field is dangerous. One touch by Black and they're likely dead. Goku, Vegeta and Trunks are the strongest they have it makes sense one of them would have to learn it.

That is why they are defended by Goku, Vegeta and Trunks. Trunks is weak and still keeps fighting anyway. It does not matter who is doing the Mafuba as if they get hit by Black or Zamasu they won't be able to do it. Piccolo can just dodge anyway.

[SansrivaaL]

They'll likely fuse because of another reason, either its because of the Mafuba or they simply want Goku and co. to feel complete desperation and hopelessness.

Oh, sure... They'll fuse because of the Mafuba, I can picture this:

Zamasu: "Oh no! They know a technique that can seal one person forever in a electric rice cooker! Hurry Black, let's fuse so it will be easier for them!"

Cute, did you really need to get an attitude just to prove a point?
Didnt get that by fusing it makes it easier for them to dispose of their enemies with the huge boost in power since it seems even Trunks is able to hold em off?

[TheMikado]

Nobody think is stupid and reckless for Goku and Vegeta leave Trunks in the battlefield in one episode and come back in another? Did Bulma already have the fuel for both travels? And will Goku learn quickly the Mafuba? That's the only way I can see if when they come back to the future AGAIN, Trunks has not been murdered yet, for f***'s sake. This is really ruining the arc for me.

They didnt leave Trunks by choice. Trunks sent them back to find a way of victory.

RoSaT is a thing aswell.

That is why Goku shouldn't learn it as there is no time and there is already others who can do it but it seems they want to ignore common sense for him. This should be Roshi, Piccolo or Tien and no one else.

Taking them to the battle field is dangerous. One touch by Black and they're likely dead. Goku, Vegeta and Trunks are the strongest they have it makes sense one of them would have to learn it.

I think they mean Trunks shouldn't last 2 seconds alone against immortal Zamasu and SSR Black ganging up on him... even if he becomes "Super Trunks", whatever that means. I hope it isn't a random rage boost and actually has some logic/foreshadowing behind it.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Nobody think is stupid and reckless for Goku and Vegeta leave Trunks in the battlefield in one episode and come back in another? Did Bulma already have the fuel for both travels? And will Goku learn quickly the Mafuba? That's the only way I can see if when they come back to the future AGAIN, Trunks has not been murdered yet, for f***'s sake. This is really ruining the arc for me.

They didnt leave Trunks by choice. Trunks sent them back to find a way of victory.

RoSaT is a thing aswell.

That is why Goku shouldn't learn it as there is no time and there is already others who can do it but it seems they want to ignore common sense for him. This should be Roshi, Piccolo or Tien and no one else.

Taking them to the battle field is dangerous. One touch by Black and they're likely dead. Goku, Vegeta and Trunks are the strongest they have it makes sense one of them would have to learn it.

I think they mean Trunks shouldn't last 2 seconds alone against immortal Zamasu and SSR Black ganging up on him... even if he becomes "Super Trunks", whatever that means. I hope it isn't a random rage boost and actually has some logic/foreshadowing behind it.

Trunks is Vegeta's son. Rage boost is pretty much confirmed unfortunately! Ragerunks! Ha.

[omaro34]

That is why Goku shouldn't learn it as there is no time and there is already others who can do it but it seems they want to ignore common sense for him. This should be Roshi, Piccolo or Tien and no one else.

Taking them to the battle field is dangerous. One touch by Black and they're likely dead. Goku, Vegeta and Trunks are the strongest they have it makes sense one of them would have to learn it.

That is why they are defended by Goku, Vegeta and Trunks. Trunks is weak and still keeps fighting anyway. It does not matter who is doing the Mafuba as if they get hit by Black or Zamasu they won't be able to do it. Piccolo can just dodge anyway.

I never thought I would have met a bigger Piccolo fan than me around here. I officially give you that title. Let it go, my friend.

[namekiansaiyan]

Taking them to the battle field is dangerous. One touch by Black and they're likely dead. Goku, Vegeta and Trunks are the strongest they have it makes sense one of them would have to learn it.

That is why they are defended by Goku, Vegeta and Trunks. Trunks is weak and still keeps fighting anyway. It does not matter who is doing the Mafuba as if they get hit by Black or Zamasu they won't be able to do it. Piccolo can just dodge anyway.

I never thought I would have met a bigger Piccolo fan than me around here. I officially give you that title. Let it go, my friend.

I know I should wait and see but at the moment this thing to me tops everything else. Deliberately taking something away is something I can't like. I had just started to calm down with everything else and then this comes up.

[TheMikado]

They didnt leave Trunks by choice. Trunks sent them back to find a way of victory.

RoSaT is a thing aswell.


Taking them to the battle field is dangerous. One touch by Black and they're likely dead. Goku, Vegeta and Trunks are the strongest they have it makes sense one of them would have to learn it.

I think they mean Trunks shouldn't last 2 seconds alone against immortal Zamasu and SSR Black ganging up on him... even if he becomes "Super Trunks", whatever that means. I hope it isn't a random rage boost and actually has some logic/foreshadowing behind it.

Trunks is Vegeta's son. Rage boost is pretty much confirmed unfortunately! Ragerunks! Ha.

We've literally never seen Trunks rage like that in any media, even when Bulma and supposedly Mai were killed. It's fine, I don't care anymore, I just want to see how this ends.

[omaro34]

That is why they are defended by Goku, Vegeta and Trunks. Trunks is weak and still keeps fighting anyway. It does not matter who is doing the Mafuba as if they get hit by Black or Zamasu they won't be able to do it. Piccolo can just dodge anyway.

I never thought I would have met a bigger Piccolo fan than me around here. I officially give you that title. Let it go, my friend.

I know I should wait and see but at the moment this thing to me tops everything else. Deliberately taking something away is something I can't like. I had just started to calm down with everything else and then this comes up.

You and I both learned the hard way back when he fought Frost in March. Don't fall for the same trap of setting high expectations for him because you will end up being disappointed.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

We've literally never seen Trunks rage like that in any media, even when Bulma and supposedly Mai were killed. It's fine, I don't care anymore, I just want to see how this ends.

The only way I can see it is if Mai gets literally slaughtered infront of him. Or maybe he just finally snapped, everyone has different snapping points. But yeah end of the day it ultimately doesn't matter or worth racking the brain over you're right let's just see how it goes down!

[HeroR]

Unless Goku is able to master the Mafuba in less than a day, it would be chronologically impractical for him to learn it. The Mafuba is a complex technique involving the emission of all the genki within a person's body to generate an aeolian current that ensnares the victim and then carries them into a container laced with magical sealing charms. Does Goku even have experience with fields of ability involving magic? I think it took days for Tenshinhan to learn it. As far as I know, Goku's ability to imitate techniques hasn't been shown to be any better than Tenshinhan's.

Concerning Goku's unwillingness to allow his friends to risk their own lives -- it might actually be more reasonable to allow someone else to perform the ritual. This frees up Goku's efforts so he can work alongside Trunks and Vegeta in defending whoever is performing the Mafuba. Moreover, Goku has already been resurrected once by Earth's Dragonballs, so it would be impossible for him to be revived again. Besides that, dying in the future implies that his soul would be sent to the future afterlife and not the one in the present. Both Kaioshin and Beerus are dead in the future so they can't teleport to Namek in order to use their Dragonballs. Unless the group decided to travel back to the past, ask Kaioshin to come with them to the future, return to that timeline, and then have Kaioshin teleport them to New Namek, they would be stranding Goku's deceased self in the future with no means of returning to the present timeline.

I can think of two ways for allowing more people to fit in the time machine, even with Bulma riding along. The first is the Micro Band that Bulma bartered with Roshi. Duplicating this device should be easy for Bulma. One can be given to Piccolo and the other to Kaioshin. Together once they've shrunken down to a more sizably conducive stature they can be carried in the pockets of one of the time traveling characters. They come along to the future and return to normal size, easy as that. The second method is a bit more complicated but possible. It involves Buu using his antenna beam to alter the composition of Piccolo and Kaioshin into smaller and more manageable objects. Since Buu is easily capable of changing his own composition to whatever he wants, he could ride with the others to the future and then change Piccolo and Kaioshin back into their normal selves. This also provides Buu as another ally in the future, for however much good he could offer.

Goku learned and mastered a bunch of techniques in less than day. In fact, the only technique he didn't pick up right away is the Instant Transmission that took him almost a year to learn. Also, Tien learned the Evil Containment Wave in less than a day in the manga, not days, and Goku is a faster learner than him. We also know Goku is better than copying and learning since he learned all of King Kai's techniques when Tien picked up nothing.

Goku being revived again is a non-issue since the same hold true to everyone else except Gohan and Goten who were revived with the Namekian Dragon Ball, and since they're on future Earth where there is on Dragon Balls anyway, it's even more of a non-issue. And again, Goku isn't going to let his friends die, period, so if someone has to die, he will make sure it's him.

And if the micro band was that freely reachable, they would have used it by now. Also, why would the Supreme Kai go into the future? That isn't his area. If they were going to bring any god, it would be Beerus.

[ryou766]

No, dude... This is ugly as f***, there are better concepts:

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Big difference; those look exactly like the same concept as the one I posted albeit different hair.

[omaro34]

We've literally never seen Trunks rage like that in any media, even when Bulma and supposedly Mai were killed. It's fine, I don't care anymore, I just want to see how this ends.

The only way I can see it is if Mai gets literally slaughtered infront of him. Or maybe he just finally snapped, everyone has different snapping points. But yeah end of the day it ultimately doesn't matter or worth racking the brain over you're right let's just see how it goes down!

The best moment when a character snapped of all time was when 16's head was crushed by Cell and Gohan lost it, or the other moment when Krillin was murdered by Freeza and Goku snapped.

If Trunks witnesses Mai getting killed by Black in front of him, I think with the superior animation and overall suspense of this Arc that moment of when Trunks "snaps" would top the 2 aforementioned moments.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

We've literally never seen Trunks rage like that in any media, even when Bulma and supposedly Mai were killed. It's fine, I don't care anymore, I just want to see how this ends.

The only way I can see it is if Mai gets literally slaughtered infront of him. Or maybe he just finally snapped, everyone has different snapping points. But yeah end of the day it ultimately doesn't matter or worth racking the brain over you're right let's just see how it goes down!

The best moment when a character snapped of all time was when 16's head was crushed by Cell and Gohan lost it, or the other moment when Krillin was murdered by Freeza and Goku snapped.

If Trunks witnesses Mai getting killed by Black in front of him, I think with the superior animation and overall suspense of this Arc that moment of when Trunks "snaps" would top the 2 aforementioned moments.

Oh absolutely it would definitely be up there as one of the best rage moments even though I'm not really a huge fan of rage moments, but I'm not sure if they're ballsy enough to actually do it, have Mai get killed infront of him.

I'll tip my hat off to them if that scenario does go down.

[TheMikado]

As much as I like the concept of raging Trunks I can't say I'm happy with the idea of what little happiness he has left being taken from him for a plot point. He's my second favorite character so him having a trash tier life is kinda exhausting.

[Cetra]

He already thought Mai was dead and not too much happened. I don't think they are going to use that again.

[dbzfan7]

Waiting to see how it plays out, but I don't like the idea that Goku and Vegeta go back to the past, and Trunks somehow is supposed to keep on fighting Black and Zamasu. Unless he's at the very least a Bluper, I'm probably not gonna like what I see. Couldn't Vegeta have stayed.

[HeroR]

It's really odd seeing people talk and complain about power levels without even seeing previews of the episode. It strikes me as complaining for the sake of it.

[SansrivaaL]

Waiting to see how it plays out, but I don't like the idea that Goku and Vegeta go back to the past, and Trunks somehow is supposed to keep on fighting Black and Zamasu. Unless he's at the very least a Bluper, I'm probably not gonna like what I see. Couldn't Vegeta have stayed.

Seems powerlevel stuffs has really been thrown out, how Trunks is able to hold those 2 off is beyond me, even Rageboost is pushing it.

[Grimlock]

But why would Vegeta go back in time? Does it need two people to learn Mafuba? Couldn't Vegeta stay with Trunks?

Or will there be a "goof moment" which Goku will forget how to use Mafuba in a danger moment and Vegeta will have to jump and save the day?