The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheUltimateNinja]

He's a more skilled and experienced fighter than Pan, with a more diverse skillset.

All right, how about melee only?

Even so, Trunks still takes this because even with equivalent power I'd say he still has higher durability, pain tolerance and skill. He'd just have to work harder to win this time.

[Angelus]

Majin Dabura, Yakon, and Pui Pui VS Kibito Kai and Cell Games ASSJ Future Trunks with sword and armor. No paralysis or stone spit or light absorbing or magic materialization.
[Assume however, for debating purposes, in order to gauge Majin Dabura's actual power, that Gohan wasn't a SSJ2 when they fought]

Full Power Perfect Cell VS Cell Games MSSJ Goku and Gohan

former matches:
[spoiler]Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Base Vegeta (immediately after his fight with Android 19, not given a senzu bean, he reverts back to base). No Ki attacks

Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Sick SSJ Goku (shortly after he gets drained by Android 19 but before he succumbs to the heart disease and stops being a SSJ). No Ki attacks

Speaking of androids, let's say Android 16 was still around when the Cell Jr.'s were spawned. Goku was exhausted from his fight with Cell and was getting beaten by a Cell Jr. What if 16 found this as an opportunity to finally finish his mission and attack Goku? The Cell Jr. stop beating Goku and just watches what happens

Android 16 VS Cell Games MSSJ Goku (post-Cell fight, and also after being beaten up by a Cell Jr)

Good/Mr. Buu (awakened immediately after Kid Buu beat him unconscious) VS Androids Saga Chiaotzu. No candy beam allowed.
[Base Vegeta, after he was also beaten to a pulp by Kid Buu, was certain that he could one-shot Good/Mr. Buu with a generic ki blast at this point]

.. and since we're on the topic of Vegeta..

Buu Arc Base Vegeta (with an Otherworld body, immediately after he gets beaten to a bloody pulp by Kid Buu) VS Cell Games Krillin. No Ki attacks[/spoiler]

[Khin]

New fights:

Black [No SSR] vs SSJ3 Goku. Both from Episode 49. SSJ3 doesn't give strain and Black doesn't have his Zenkai hax.
Black [Just after getting Goku's body] vs SSJ2 Future Trunks [DBS]. Black doesn't have his Zenkai hax.
Gowasu vs Semi Perfect Cell.
SSJ Future Vegeta vs SSJ Goku [Freeza arc].
Mecha Freeza vs Dr. Gero [vs Piccolo]. Gero can't absorb energy anymore.
Kuririn [Android arc] vs Gohan [Post Dende Zenkai].
Piccolo [Boo arc] vs SSJ Future Trunks [Cell games arc].

— With Black not yet being fully used to Goku's body. I can see Goku winning this one after a good fight.
— Trunks stomps. Black should only be as strong as regular Base Goku at that time.
— Magically appearing in the Universe 10 Kaioshin Realm, Semi-Cell seeks fight and challenges Gowasu, who is drinking his beloved tea while watching Godtube videos. Not wanting to ruin his enjoyment, the veteran Kaioshin tells Cell to leave peacefully. To Cell's anger, he fires a large Ki blast which blows away the tea that Gowasu is enjoying. With his tea-time ruined, the wise geezer snaps and punches Cell to the face which sends him flying several meters away. Thinking that it was a mere lucky punch, the bio-Android proceeds to fire dozens of blasts. Much to his dismay, all of his attacks was easily deflected, and his stomach gets a hole blown through by an angry punch. Without wasting any time, the wise Kaioshin incinerates the Bio-Android in a matter of seconds.
— Gohan (Who is still weaker than Yardrat Goku) being confident that he can defeat the Androids might imply that he already surpassed Vegeta back then who got killed by them. However, it's possible that he never saw the fight because he escaped or something, which Toyotaro's flashback of the Android fight seems to support. It's also quite hard to believe that Vegeta never surpassed Goku. The latter defeating Freeza and Cold should make him as motivated as he was in the present timeline to surpass Goku. So I think Vegeta got this one in the bag.
— They're about even, and fights evenly for a good while. Until Freeza decides to destroy the planet along with Gero.
— Kuririn wins without exerting any effort whatsoever. Going by my current numbers, Kuririn is equal to Base Goku against Freeza on Namek, which puts him far above Gohan.
— Piccolo is still weaker, but I can see him putting up a fight due to his superior skills. Still the odds of winning is still on Trunks' side on this one.

Arale Norimaki, Bora, Eighter, Tien Shinhan, Gohan, Piccolo, Yajirobe, Chiaotzu, Yamcha, and Krillin vs. Nappa, Vegeta, and the 6 Saibamen[/size]

The humans and Piccolo gets soloed by Vegeta. Meanwhile, Arale wakes up from the nap shes having and kills Vegeta with a fart, killing Nappa and the Saibaimens along. Arale's power is hard to gauge since she's a gag character, she is ridiculously strong if we go by her gag feats. Although there's a Toriyama interview where he said she is probably stronger than Goku.

If Goku and Arale fought, who do you think would win?
I guess Arale’s probably stronger.

It should be noted that this interview happened around 1987; around Piccolo Daimao Arc. Whatever that means, I assume ''Not!Gag'' Arale at best is only around 23rd TB Goku. While gag Arale can basically stomp any Z character if she wants to.

22nd Ten vs 22nd Chiaotzu

I was thinking, it's kinda just taken as fact that Ten was way stronger than Chiaotzu, but in reality the little guy's telekinesis was working on Goku just fine. Meaning he could paralyze Ten just as easily, and I don't think Ten possesses Krillin's cleverness to think of a way around that.

Wanting to test his power the day before the tournament, Chaozu requests to have a little sparring match with his pal. Thinking that his mere physical strength alone isn't going to do anything to Ten, Chaozu decides to use his telekinesis. To Chaozu's surprise, Tenshinhan suddenly disappears in his eyesight. Knowing the full capabilities of his pal's psychic powers, Tenshinhan waste no time and karate-shops Chaozu in the neck, telling him he still has a long way to go.

Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Base Vegeta (immediately after his fight with Android 19, not given a senzu bean, he reverts back to base). No Ki attacks
- Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Sick SSJ Goku (shortly after he gets drained by Android 19 but before he succumbs to the heart disease and stops being a SSJ). No Ki attacks
- Android 16 VS Cell Games MSSJ Goku (post-Cell fight, and also after being beaten up by a Cell Jr)
- Good/Mr. Buu (awakened immediately after Kid Buu beat him unconscious) VS Yajirobe[ with his sword (also during the Buu Arc. He should have climbed up and down Korin Tower countless times already throughout the King Piccolo Saga all the way to the Buu Arc). No Ki attacks or candy beam allowed. Could Yajirobe kill, cook, and eat this pink treat? Base Vegeta (after he was also beaten to a pulp by Kid Buu) was certain that he could one-shot Good/Mr. Buu with a generic ki blast at this point

— After turning #19 into scrap metal. Vegeta suddenly challenges the humans into a fight. Despite losing considerable amount of power, the proud prince tells them with a cocky smile to come at them at once. The humans begins to throw a barrage of punches and kicks, some of them successfully connects, and some of them was blocked. Realizing that he may get overwhelmed, Vegeta quickly takes out Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chaozu with a shattering punch in the gut. Leaving Kuririn as the only one remaining. They trade blows for a good while, telling that Kuririn isn't half-bad after all. With his stamina falling, Vegeta decides to end this with a dirty trick, throwing sands at Kuririn and catch him off guard. After that, Vegeta proceeds to give Kuririn the worst beating of his life.
— You mean the crippled Goku ? If so, #16 easily kills him.
— Yajirobe can chop Boo to pieces all day, and it still won't do any damage whatsoever.

Buu Arc Base Vegeta (with an Otherworld body, immediately after he gets beaten to a bloody pulp by Kid Buu) VS Cell Games Krillin. No Ki attacks

I think at this point Vegeta is way above Kuririn that even after he received a beating from Boo he's still have more than enough power to beat Kuririn.

- Majin Dabura, Yakon, and Pui Pui VS Kibito Kai and Cell Games ASSJ Future Trunks with sword and armor. No paralysis or stone spit or light absorbing or magic materialization.
- Full Power Perfect Cell VS Cell Games MSSJ Goku and Gohan

— With Babidi and his minions heading to Earth. Kaioshin and Kibito heads to the planet and informs Trunks that another threat is coming. Trunks makes quick work of Yakon and Pui Pui. However, he and Kaioshin gets beaten to a pulp by Dabra. Leaving them no choice, Kaioshin and Kibito decides to fuse, making the Demon King surprised that such thing is possible. Dabra being Dabra just stares at them with a smirk and tells Kibitoshin to come at him with his full power, knowing the consequences of reviving Majin Boo, Kibitoshin destroys Dabra with a shattering punch in the stomach, and kills Babidi with a casual Ki blast.
— Unless Gohan can unlock Super Saiyan 2. The father and son duo gets destroyed, Goku is basically a one shot material to Cell, and Cell can beat Gohan with medium difficulty.

[apex_pretador]

Some more human matches!

Androids Saga Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe, 100% Roshi VS Base Future Trunks (First appearance in main timeline, no sword); No Ki attacks from anyone in this match

Base Vegeta (awakened immediately after the Android 18 beat down; has broken arm/shoulder. No turning SSJ) VS Androids Saga Yamcha (jealously angered and bloodlusted from Vegeta fathering Trunks with Bulma )

Bacterian VS See-Through the Invisible Man

Bora (no spear) VS Pre-Roshi training Krillin

Colonel Silver VS Videl (no flying)
former matches:
[spoiler]Cyborg Tao with a full power Super Dodon Wave VS Saiyan Saga Vegeta (as he's crawling towards his pod, post-Great Ape Gohan fight, right before Krillin attempts to stab Vegeta with Yajirobe's sword)

Android 18 VS Post-1st day ROSAT Base Future Trunks (that can use up to Kaioken x10); no sword or armor[/spoiler]

Trunks slaughters

Vegeta still finger flicks

Invisible man is stronger and cant be seen

Bora will beat 21st TB krillin too.

[DanielSSJ]

Majin Dabura, Yakon, and Pui Pui VS Kibito Kai and Cell Games ASSJ Future Trunks with sword and armor. No paralysis or stone spit or light absorbing or magic materialization.
[Assume however, for debating purposes, in order to gauge Majin Dabura's actual power, that Gohan wasn't a SSJ2 when they fought]

Full Power Perfect Cell VS Cell Games MSSJ Goku and Gohan

- Puipui and Yakon might as well not even be there as they are both fodder for Trunks. Dabra is a bit hard to place. Goku says the guy is about as tough as Cell and that he'd be trouble if he showed up seven years ago, implying that the Goku from back then couldn't have one. However, once the fighting starts, he fights near evenly with a weakened Super Saiyan Gohan, and one of the Dragon Box's episode descriptions straight-up says that Dabra possesses an to Gohan's and that Gohan is only losing due to being horribly out of practice. Dabra doesn't even register as a threat to Goku or Vegeta, though that could be because both can go Super Saiyan 2 on command, something Gohan can't do.

However, now we have Toyotaro's version of Super, which shows that Trunks, who has been trained with the Z-Sword by Kaioshin and is much stronger than before, still needed Super Saiyan 2 to beat him.

Looking at the manga and the manga alone, I think I've decided to just take Goku's word for it and say that Dabra is about as strong as regular Perfect Cell and that Super Saiyan Grade 2 would not be enough for Trunks to win.

EDIT: Oh shit, I just realized that it said Kibitoshin, not regular Kibito. In that case, the fused God is about as strong as teen Gohan was when he showed off Super Saiyan 2 at the tournament, and is more than powerful enough to take Dabra out on his own.

- Personally, I think that Super Saiyan Gohan wasn't too far away from Cell's full power, and that with Goku as backup, they would've had a decent shot at winning.

[Zamasu55]

Base Goku (GT - right after he was turned into a child) runs the gauntlet. Normal logic only. Everyone else is in the same time period as Goku. VS:
Baby (Teen - when he shows himself to Goten)
Haze Shenron
Super Saiyan 2 Pan
Super Saiyan 2 Trunks
Base Vegeta

He clears the list.

Can you explain why?

Base GT Goku (Baby Vegeta saga) is on par with Rildo, whose power is greater than Kid Buu's.
None of those stand a chance. Ssj2 GT Trunks would only be 2x stronger than his Ssj self, and GT Vegeta (Baby Vegeta saga) even as a Ssj is weaker than Base Goku.

[ZombieVito]

New fights. All from the left are from the Mecha Freeza arc.

Vegeta vs Goku [vs Freeza, No KK]
Piccolo vs Vegeta [Post Dende Zenkai].
Gohan vs Freeza [1st form].
Kuririn vs Goku [vs Ginyu, No KK].
Tenshinhan vs Jeice.
Yamcha vs Zarbon [Transformed].
Chiaotzu vs Cui.

[Sailor Haumea]

What I meant for Arale is her DB incarnation.

Saiyan Saga PLs:
Non-Gag Arale (with training from Kami like the others, hypothetically), Krillin, Chiaotzu, Piccolo, Gohan, Yamcha, and Tien Shinhan vs. Nappa and Vegeta

What difference does Arale make? This is her in her non-gag version. Let's say she trained with the others.

[DanielSSJ]

What I meant for Arale is her DB incarnation.

Saiyan Saga PLs:
Non-Gag Arale (with training from Kami like the others, hypothetically), Krillin, Chiaotzu, Piccolo, Gohan, Yamcha, and Tien Shinhan vs. Nappa and Vegeta

What difference does Arale make? This is her in her non-gag version. Let's say she trained with the others.

Considering she's a 100% artificial robot, I don't think she could get stronger through training.

[Angelus]

Based off that interview, referenced earlier, she's stronger than 23rd WMAT Goku. But she would still be weaker than even saiyan saga Yajirobe. She wouldn't be able to take down Raditz, unless she grabs his tail. If Arale actually joined the fight against Vegeta and Nappa... the best thing she can contribute is to pound Vegeta on the ground immediately right after Yajirobe slashes Vegeta's back. Vegeta will just kick her and Yajirobe away after he gets back on his feet though.

[TheUltimateNinja]

SSBlue Gogetto (Gogeta + Vegetto fusion) vs Beerus

[Zamasu55]

New fights. All from the left are from the Mecha Freeza arc.

Vegeta vs Goku [vs Freeza, No KK]
Piccolo vs Vegeta [Post Dende Zenkai].
Gohan vs Freeza [1st form].
Kuririn vs Goku [vs Ginyu, No KK].
Tenshinhan vs Jeice.
Yamcha vs Zarbon [Transformed].
Chiaotzu vs Cui.

1. Close fight. I give this to Goku after a hard battle.
2. Vegeta without any shadow of a doubt.
3. Frieza still takes this.
4. Goku: 90,000
Krillin (Mecha Frieza saga): 75,000
Goku wins.
5. Jeice.
6. Zarbon, easily.
7. Cui, easily.

[Zamasu55]

SSBlue Gogetto (Gogeta + Vegetto fusion) vs Beerus

Beerus, unless it's shown otherwise in the next episodes.

[TheUltimateNinja]

SSBlue Gogetto (Gogeta + Vegetto fusion) vs Beerus

Beerus, unless it's shown otherwise in the next episodes.

Really? Is Beerus that powerful? Let's assume Gogeta is 20x Goku and Vegetto is 100x Goku, and after they fuse they become 1,000x Goku and then they use Kkx10 to become 10,000x SSBlue Goku.

Is Beerus really more than 10,000x stronger than SSBlue Goku?

[Angelus]

Well damn, no. 10,000x more powerful is insane. That's like the difference between the Farmer with the Shotgun VS Recoome or something

[Zamasu55]

SSBlue Gogetto (Gogeta + Vegetto fusion) vs Beerus

Beerus, unless it's shown otherwise in the next episodes.

Really? Is Beerus that powerful? Let's assume Gogeta is 20x Goku and Vegetto is 100x Goku, and after they fuse they become 1,000x Goku and then they use Kkx10 to become 10,000x SSBlue Goku.

Is Beerus really more than 10,000x stronger than SSBlue Goku?

We don't even know how much % was Beerus using against Ssj God Goku.
He says he can easily destroy Future Zamasu, an immortal being.
I repeat myself, unless it's shown otherwise in the next episodes, I'll still consider Beerus and Whis stronger than a fusion.

[Anime Kitten]

SSBlue Gogetto (Gogeta + Vegetto fusion) vs Beerus

Seeing as I place SSJBKKx10 Goku above Beerus already, there's no way Gogetto could possibly lose. Beerus is blinked out of existence.

He says he can easily destroy Future Zamasu, an immortal being.

Do you honestly believe everything he says about himself? I wouldn't take it seriously (but of course, this IS Dragon Ball, so who really knows?), considering he lied about using 100% against Godku (though I strongly believe he used nearly 70%).

[TheUltimateNinja]

Beerus, unless it's shown otherwise in the next episodes.

Really? Is Beerus that powerful? Let's assume Gogeta is 20x Goku and Vegetto is 100x Goku, and after they fuse they become 1,000x Goku and then they use Kkx10 to become 10,000x SSBlue Goku.

Is Beerus really more than 10,000x stronger than SSBlue Goku?

We don't even know how much % was Beerus using against Ssj God Goku.
He says he can easily destroy Future Zamasu, an immortal being.
I repeat myself, unless it's shown otherwise in the next episodes, I'll still consider Beerus and Whis stronger than a fusion.

How about Vhigetto (Vhis (Vados + Whis) + Gogetto fusion) vs Beerus.

[Angelus]

Huh? I thought Whis was already more powerful than Beerus?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Huh? I thought Whis was already more powerful than Beerus?

He is but that guy seems to think Beerus is absurdly powerful so I was wondering about his opinion.