Dragon Ball Super: TV Ratings Discussion Thread

[SaiyanGod117]

Super is GT level trash, so it would make sense for it to get GT level ratings. It doesn't matter what place it's fucking in, what matters is the household rating. I don't who came up with the headcannon that placement ranks aboves ratings, I actually need some proof of that. This isn't a NASCAR race.

[kinisking]

Super is GT level trash, so it would make sense for it to get GT level ratings. It doesn't matter what place it's fucking in, what matters is the household rating. I don't who came up with the headcannon that placement ranks aboves ratings, I actually need some proof of that. This isn't a NASCAR race.

It does matter the placement. Because if it keeps the same placement, but the ratings drop then it means ratings across the board have dropped. If multiple TV shows have ratings that are dropping, how could you possibly blame the content super is showing ? It just means that less people tuned into tv that week for whatever reason.

[LuckyCat]

I don't who came up with the headcannon that placement ranks aboves ratings, I actually need some proof of that. This isn't a NASCAR race.

1. Head canon is used to describe a fan's opinions on what should be considered canon in fiction. See also, fanon.

2. The percentage numbers are arbitrary because they don't gauge the success of the show. Look how high percentage-wise Dragon Ball Kai 1.0 performed during its run. Yet the show was still cancelled. That should tell you something.

It does matter the placement. Because if it keeps the same placement, but the ratings drop then it means ratings across the board have dropped. If multiple TV shows have ratings that are dropping, how could you possibly blame the content super is showing ? It just means that less people tuned into tv that week for whatever reason.

Right, and last weekend was actually Tanabata in Japan, so there you go.

[kinisking]

It always confuses me on how people fail to grasp that. It's not hard logic.

[FortuneSSJ]

Not that it would happen, but I'm sure Super's ratings can be as low as the 2.0's like Naruto's is/was and still go on for years to come just because of merchandize revenue.

Naruto would barely make it to top 10 and Boruto doesn't even know what that is.

[SaiyanGod117]

It does matter the placement. Because if it keeps the same placement, but the ratings drop then it means ratings across the board have dropped. If multiple TV shows have ratings that are dropping, how could you possibly blame the content super is showing ? It just means that less people tuned into tv that week for whatever reason.

However that doesn't happen every time most of the time Super is only the show the ratings are dropping for. You can't keep trying to hold this narrative that the ratings drop for others shows is the result for Super's low ratings. When in-fact the ratings drop is too negligible to make a difference. Super is airing on one of the best TV networks in Japans, on one of the best time slots of the day. Yet it's been stuck in the same spot for two years, failing to grab any kind of new audience and now losing it's existing audience. Moreover, the thing that gets a show a placement in the first place is ratings.

I don't who came up with the headcannon that placement ranks aboves ratings, I actually need some proof of that. This isn't a NASCAR race.

1. Head canon is used to describe a fan's opinions on what should be considered canon in fiction. See also, fanon.

1. Don't be a smartass, I know what headcanon means.

2. The percentage numbers are arbitrary because they don't gauge the success of the show. Look how high percentage-wise Dragon Ball Kai 1.0 performed during its run. Yet the show was still cancelled. That should tell you something.

Animated shows rely on merchandise sales, Kai doesn't prove anything. Ratings wise; Kai was a success because the content Kai showed wasn't dogshit. You missed my whole point entirely.

[LuckyCat]

It always confuses me on how people fail to grasp that. It's not hard logic.

Yeah, I mean, I understand that it's easy to look at a set of numbers, see a low one and think of that as like a failing grade. But if you're not looking at other factors you're really missing out on a huge part of the ratings discussion here.

[Chuquita]

Last weekend was Tanabata? Didn't know. That explains a lot. Who's going to wake up early to watch TV on a holiday weekend?

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

However that doesn't happen every time most of the time Super is only the show the ratings are dropping for. You can't keep trying to hold this narrative that the ratings drop for others shows is the result for Super's low ratings. When in-fact the ratings drop is too negligible to make a difference. Super is airing on one of the best TV networks in Japans, on one of the best time slots of the day. Yet it's been stuck in the same spot for two years, failing to grab any kind of new audience and now losing it's existing audience. Moreover, the thing that gets a show a placement in the first place is ratings.

1. Kinishking never made that narrative that the other shows dropped rating due to DBSuper dropping its, the user only said that if one show (Super in this case) dropped in ratings so did others across the board.

2. If you look at this thread first post you will see that DBS has a few times placed in the top 5. The major reason why DBS has been stuck on "the same spot" for years is due to facing with cultural judgernauts like Sazae-san, Crayon Shin-Chan, One Piece and others.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

SaiyanGod117 you seem to be under some illusion here ratings matter and that ratings = quality. Both are patently false. Also ratings are down in general from 2010, OP was pulling 15% back then. You might not like Super but your looking for some reason to show it's failure when it's not, much less the fact that Japan had a holiday on the weekend. Also DVR recordings and streaming aren't counted in these...

[Cure Dragon 255]

Super is GT level trash, so it would make sense for it to get GT level ratings. It doesn't matter what place it's fucking in, what matters is the household rating. I don't who came up with the headcannon that placement ranks aboves ratings, I actually need some proof of that. This isn't a NASCAR race.

You do know GT had much higher ratings than Super right?

[precita]

People being desperate to say Super is failing because of ratings is bizarre. If you looked at TOEI's last sales reports, Dragonball is making more money than it has in more than a decade.

[MajinMan]

Super got it's 4th lowest rating ever? Welp, looks like the Japanese fans knew that the episode would suck and did not watch it ahead of time. It was fun while it lasted guys, but it seems like Super is gonna get cancelled mid-tournament.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Yes, that's why Precure and Yokai Watch are on their millionth season with much lower ratings. This doomsaying is getting real old. I really cant believe people actually buy into this whole thing.

Also, if it was cancelled, it could mean either movies with much better animation or the fact that Dragon Ball finally gets to rest in peace.

[SaiyanGod117]

SaiyanGod117 you seem to be under some illusion here ratings matter and that ratings = quality. Both are patently false. Also ratings are down in general from 2010, OP was pulling 15% back then. You might not like Super but your looking for some reason to show it's failure when it's not, much less the fact that Japan had a holiday on the weekend. Also DVR recordings and streaming aren't counted in these...

It's seems obvious to me you can't read in-between the lines, it's really the halllmark of these recent post. If ratings actually mattered on whether a TV show would stay on the air, then DBZ Kai wouldn't have been canceled. However, it is straight up misguided to say ratings don't correlate with quality (you think ratings drop in ROF arc was coincidence or something) it's helps my case even more that during the climactic points the ratings are relatively the same. Also meaning DVR and Streaming ratings don't mean shit, if they did that would mean a lot more people would be tuning in to watch Super. Since people usually use DVR and streaming services to catch up to a current season, so they can watch it weekly.

[Boo Machine]

Since people usually use DVR and streaming services to catch up to a current season, so they can watch it weekly.

Or just to watch it later if they couldn't catch the a show when it aired. Is that not one of the good things about DVR and streaming services? That you can watch when it's most convenient? My friend works when Super airs so he usually has to catch it the day after. I imagine there are a few people in Japan who like the show and are in a similar situation, which I think was the point of bringing them up. That some people who like the show can't always catch it when it airs thus not contributing to the ratings.

At least that's how I believe it works.

[SaiyanGod117]

Since people usually use DVR and streaming services to catch up to a current season, so they can watch it weekly.

Or just to watch it later if they couldn't catch the a show when it aired. Is that not one of the good things about DVR and streaming services? That you can watch when it's most convenient? My friend works when Super airs so he usually has to catch it the day after. I imagine there are a few people in Japan who like the show and are in a similar situation, which I think was the point of bringing them up. That some people who like the show can't always catch it when it airs thus not contributing to the ratings.

At least that's how I believe it works.

Yes that's definitely a reason why people use DVRs and Streaming services too, although during the climactic/conclusive moments of TV show. The ratings for a show will shoot up, due to more and more new and old fans being able to catch up to the program their watching because of those services. Which is the point I've been making, DBS isn't really attracting a new audience.

[precita]

Did Kai ever make the top 10? I wasn't following Kai when it originally aired in Japan. Does anyone have a list of it's ratings archived anywhere?

[Hit!!]

Most of the other shows were also low this week.

[Boo Machine]

Since people usually use DVR and streaming services to catch up to a current season, so they can watch it weekly.

Or just to watch it later if they couldn't catch the a show when it aired. Is that not one of the good things about DVR and streaming services? That you can watch when it's most convenient? My friend works when Super airs so he usually has to catch it the day after. I imagine there are a few people in Japan who like the show and are in a similar situation, which I think was the point of bringing them up. That some people who like the show can't always catch it when it airs thus not contributing to the ratings.

At least that's how I believe it works.

Yes that's definitely a reason why people use DVRs and Streaming services too, although during the climactic/conclusive moments of TV show. The ratings for a show will shoot up, due to more and more new and old fans being able to catch up to the program their watching because of those services. Which is the point I've been making, DBS isn't really attracting a new audience.

Maybe, maybe not, admittedly I don't know very much about how that all works, but I think there is more to that than just not enough people sitting down to watch a show as it airs and it goes for any show that can be streamed or DVR'D. Some might just exclusively watch it through DVR or streaming. I remember when I was a kid and I would never wake up in time for Saturday morning cartoons, I would have my mother record them for me on the VCR to watch them later. Again I imagine there are plenty of fans in a similar situation.

I think when people say "ratings don't matter" they mean that the ratings don't really tell us how many people are a fan of the show because the ratings only shows us the numbers of those who watched it when it aired and doesn't count those who watch it later or even those who watch it outside of Japan like some of us here do.